Germany to Cause WW3

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl

 

I think alqueda and Israel are both Monsters created by this practice of giving arms to those who's philosophies date to the 12-14th centuries

That's what I think

and continuation of those policies by any nation given the results is a worse transgression because we can clearly see from this perspective what it has caused

My parents used to say "we started smoking because we didn't know it caused cancer " (of which my mother died btw)

so..I smoke and I knew

who's the bigger dummy?

Me of course in that instance

We decided 8 years ago, supposedly to fight to prevent rouge nations from having WMD's my own people or not...Israel has fast become these years a bit of a rouge nation and, we and Germany and others persist on selling them... a WMD delivery system.

It's a continuation of a failed policy that has only led to more war and never caused peace and makes a hypocrisy of our stated beliefs...

even on a level in which it doesn't become WW3 (which I believe it very well can right now) it's still a huge hypocrisy

Listen, it is obvious that the prevention of WMD in the hands of countries is regulated by those whom own WMD and trade among friendly allies. This is how we gave nukes to Israel, they supposedly need it to defend their homeland and prevent outward attacks.

Even if Germany provided Israel with nuclear weapons and then Israel fired them off at Iran and triggered a world war (which is highly unlikely but we're following your scenario) - Israel would be at fault for triggering the world war, not Germany. It could just as easily be triggered with a military ground attack or non-nuclear skud missiles.

Following that method of reasoning, Germany is responsible for many deaths occurring in the USA by American Special Forces using MP5 sub machine guns from Germany?

By the way, Germany does not own ANY nuclear weapons.

The strength of a modern society should not be measured by it's military capabilities.

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[edit on 24-11-2008 by blueray]

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl

 

What's the next defense Germany has beautiful Women and Great Beer

I hate to break it you you but yes we do

actually the best beer on earth and you should see the ladies

aside from that let me tell you how it is being german:

We all have no more need for war, our military is small poorely equiped apart from those serving in the un missions abroad.

These days we rely on our economic strength more than anything else.

Fac ts about Germany



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[edit on 24-11-2008 by Fett Pinkus]

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Germany doesn't really have any recent conflicts other than the assistance of US and UN soldiers in Iraq. There is no substance to the accusation that they will start WW3 in fact, I would much rather place my chips on USA starting WW3.

Yeah, it is most likely the US or a country in the middle east that
will kick it off.

That is why my bug out bag is packed and I have made my
preparations for things to go downhill either slowly or quickly.

I have some deep caves not too far from me selected as my place
to ride it out and have prepositioned some long term supplies
near those locations.

If you are not underground the nuclear winter "for years" will likely
kill you if you are not near the equator.

If you are near a city with thugs, they will be coming for your
stuff and will likely kill you.

Find or make a small group of like minded individuals and plan to
get away from the cities, and get underground.

The russians are wrapping up their rather expensive plans
for such a scenario even in the face of the financial crisis.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.globalsecurity.org...

www.viewzone.com...

My feelings are it will start with Israel and expand from there.

Either by Israel attacking a threat like it recently did with Syria,
or one of those threats attacking Israel.

Another option is the US keeps peturbing pakistan with missile
strikes inside their borders without their permission.

The former president of pakistan who was cooperative with the
US was given the boot, and pakistan is upset, and more of
an Islamic governed nation now.

They already linked the pakistani ISI to helping Taliban do
a bombing in Kabul so it likely won't be long before something
similar comes down the pike.

Yet another option a country like georgia gets in a game of
taunt the bear with russia, and russia loses its temper.

The funny thing is when I explain these scenarios to most ppl
I know a few years ago most of them laughed at me, now
not very many are laughing at all, LOL.

Prepare accordingly !

Good Luck to you all !


[edit on 24-11-2008 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by Marlborough Red

Originally posted by xXxArMaGeDdOnxXx
I was discussing this with one of my colleges and I am still thinking.. if after world war one germany was able to cause war world 2 what makes you guys not think they can cause world war 3?

I think you need to go back and read your history books; Germany didn't start WW1 and if the economic oppression and embargos placed on them by the allies after WW1 were not so severe then I sincerely doubt Hitler would have even got into power.

Your statement is true, the Brits funded the Black hand to kill
Arch duke Ferdinand, it has all been confirmed.

They needed to ban germany from having a military like they
did with japan as well.

Unfortunately the ppl in charge of most countries are running us
head long to the next World War some days slowly, and some
days more quickly.

reply to post by Fett Pinkus


Amen I know all that! and it would be True.

Could you from the German perspective then answer

(and please in all respect our nation is KING at our leaders doing what we don't want them to do)

Do you agree with your Government supplying at this point in time, pre emptive capacity to Israel?

Do you think this is a wise choice?

and If

IF

Israel uses that capacity and causes something that ends in the deaths of Millions

Should Not, those involved in those decisions be held accountable?

For the record, I believe Bush should be for things he has done.


Could Germany Start WW3 is a very dicey way to phrase that... all responses are defending the body of Germany

and in reality, Governments make decisions

so there is nothing in here in the way of a commentary on the German people

It is now and through this thread a very simple point.

I would not wish to be personally punished for G W's Actions, that I understand

But if it was posed, is America responsible for Israel having Nukes, my immediate answer would be Yes

So from a place of honesty about our Governments

Germany sold subs to Israel that allow them to launch a Nuclear tipped cruise missile from the shores of Iran, knowing Full Well The Israeli First Strike Doctrine in regards to the subject

If they use it

and a World War starts

Should those involved, the Govt of Germany, perhaps Nato as a whole be held accountable for those decsions if Millions of needless deaths were to occur?


Again ... I do not know why, the defense is on Germany as a people here, no one is unaware of the political norms and desires of the German people

But with the direction Germany has taken, is it... in the interests of those people to be involved with

supporting and basing US troops when they use your bases to war when the people of your nation are anti war

Is it with, the desires of Germans to sell potential WMD delivery systems to ANY Nation?

And if Not

Then why defend the actions of the body politic as German? If it does things against the desires of the populace?


This is tricky water here...

But please, this is not about Germans...

In America, Millions and Millions of Men have gone to jail on a silly war on drugs, racial profiling and other witch hunts in the last 10-20 years

The Americans, are not bad people, they do not SEE particularly the arrests or watch the millions of stories...

I understand, that even in WW2 that Most Germans, many at least did not know, what was happening to the Jews and Others, In all wars, the Govt feeds the info

I have no blame to any people for these things, even when sometimes people are brainwashed into beliefs or act in fear...

The Govt in the end, are those who... Pull the strings so to speak

So why, why should we.... not Say it, If the German Govt might have a part in the Start of WW3 here because indeed, they are helping Israel out in a major way

FAR from attacking Germans, I'm attacking a branch of my OWN people who... I no longer agree with and do not at this point and time trust to make the right decisions in regards to these kinds of tools

Not because they are bad either, but too scared, back too far against the wall, overwhelmingly decided with Intent to pursue the use of those means

Do you advocate, Germany supplying ANYONE with German technology that might use it for the destruction of others in a first strike manner?

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


Are you serious? Could please provide documentation that would support that assertion, because that would be very interesting.

Personally, I see no motive for the British to do such a thing. I always thought it was a nationalist endeavor born of resent for an ostensibly evil empire that was constantly encroaching and threatened capitulation on several accounts. Serbian nationalism was fairly strong at that point. Austria was a multinational empire that could care less of its subject's fundamental loyalties. Gavrilo Princip was suffering from tuberculosis, I believe... not certain about that, but anyway, reason alone assures he was acting out of self interest and pride, and wouldn't really be swayed by any sort of payment. Perhaps the British merely funded the organization he belonged to. If that were the case I doubt anyone would refuse. But what would be the point considering the Black Hand was already determined to do what it set out to do, regardless of foreign political influence?

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It could... anything could happen.

But, nuts and completely nuts are 2 different things.

Israel can be destroyed, it is very tiny

Launching ground based missile gives the Iranians the TIME to counter strike, it's a small window given proximity, but it is there.

Being off shore with a Nuclear payload can devastate Iran

It allows for the ability to decapitate Iran without perhaps a major retaliatory strike... certainly if the Emp gets off fast enough allot of missiles won't be launching

and do you know why it matters to me...

Because as a Jew by name... If those freaks pull that Card

I'm labeled and my children are labeled globally as genocidal for the rest of my life... People will revile me...when Is tood in opposition the entire time

FAR from not liking Germans... I'm pissed they gave this crap to Israel

Not the German people LOL

The damn Govt, same as Here

So I don't get it... why defend a Govt, especially when your so vocal about how cool the German people have become and know what they desire

They don't need this, any more than I do

Because, if the attack is launched by sub... you can bet, all over the news... if there is any news a few days later

The fact that Germany sold them the subs will be everywhere and you obviously know, that's the last stigma they need in their lives

When we say

Germany could start WW3... there are Millions of German Americans they are German, you know we are talking about the Body Politic of the Nation of Germany

and we all know the Israelis are paranoid out of their minds

so why 3 pages of defense of the German people?

It's not about them...

It's about a gigantic Blunder that needs attention made by, as always politicians

When th day comes the people of a nation get up with pitch forks and go after another country, please tell me...

The reality is unanimously when people grab pitchforks it's against their own Governments

Germany at this point in time, no longer owes anyone anything

Not Israel

Not America Either

If the Govt is participating in something wrong, we and they together should be able to say so

Without it being an attack on the German people or perceived as such, because it is not

In simplicity

Do you feel comfortable with Israel being able to go ahead now iwth plans to strike Iran or not?

It's the only point here? For or against... if for, I disagree, but that's the end, there's no debate

But I don't think

ONE PERSON In here... thinks at this point and time Israel should be gifted with the ability to defy world opinion and first strike Iran

Maybe there's a Zionist or two online, but that would be it...

No wants America to have that capacity anymore or anyone else, let alone Israel

and I hate to say it

they can't be trusted to make logical decisions anymore

reply to post by mopusvindictus


From a German perspective:

I see where you are coming from and i do understand some of your issues. I even agree with you on some points.

You are absolutely right that Germany has built 3 submarines for Israel, which are able to launch WMD. This was not the smartest move of our government, I´m with you on this point. There were several reasons for it which i will not further elaborate here now.

Nevertheless, its hard to say if Germany would be responsible for WWIII even if Israel fires a Nuklear Weapon from a submarine in question.

We would have our hands in there, somehow at least. Delivering the technology isn´t the main part here, but we cannot deny our attendance.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone...

The Germans are alright. And that's coming from a Brit.

They're probably one of the least likely countries to declare war on anyone at the moment.

And they have the full support of the EU and NATO if anyone was to attack them.

OP, it's perfectly possible for ANY nation to cause the next world war.
What makes you think it won't be America, or Mexico, or say, Poland?
Poland never rests.
Poland only waits.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


You have some really twisted ideals. Much of which I still believe comes from you being Jewish and having an inner hatred for Germany after the holocaust.

Furthermore I still am yet to grasp why your so upset that Germany gave Israel submarines to settle a debt, when many other countries sell much worst weaponry to Israel? Or even how the US funded Al Quaida?

How can you point Germans out to blame? The pure notion is simply ridiculous and this is 3 pages of complete disagreement against any ideal that the Germans have any involvement in any of today's true world warfare.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Hang on Israel's jes, rifles and many many of their weapons are supplied by the US. The US has always, ALWAYS supported Israel. They have had first strike capabilities for years, in fact if I am not mistaken it was the US that help them arm with nuclear weapons in the first place.

So Germany sold them subs. The US sold the jets.

If you are going to judge the likely hood of WWIII starters by weapons sale then I think that WWIII is more likely to be started by the US than Germany. Do you not?

To hell with it, lets talk about Japan as well, and Italy, Romania ?

Originally posted by xXxArMaGeDdOnxXx
I was discussing this with one of my colleges and I am still thinking.. if after world war one germany was able to cause war world 2 what makes you guys not think they can cause world war 3?

At the very least, it appears that the Germans are loyal subjects to the New World Order. Check out the newest false flag operation:

www.prisonplanet.com...

www.wiredispatch.com...

Originally posted by N. Tesla
germany is no position to start anything. there are american bases there so we know whats going on. ww3 is gonna be started by china, america, russia, or bigfoot

You've left out Iran and Israel both. I'd say they're far more likely than China.

Why would they need to make WWIII? They are in the EU, they have the frickin Euro that is worth more than our lint dollar, and they make fantastic cars! Come on, mercedes, BMW, and VW. They have no need to start another war, they are more prosperous than we are in the states.

We will start WWIII, we still have Jews in the country running wild.

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I know Americans can be a little slow with sarcasm but that take the biscut.
So who stared me? the guy I was laughing at.LOL

reply to post by mopusvindictus


How iliterate am I?
Its seems your the one who needs to get a grown up to read my post to you.
So your "point" isnt if ISREAL blow another country of the map its GERMANYS fault?
Why not just blame every, and any potencial nuclear attack on Einstein? Oh yeh you did.
So it would be more Germany and Einsteins fault than the actual perpetrators?
Grow up.