Germany to Cause WW3

reply to post by blowfishdl


I posted the Article probably a page back..which shows you don't read pal.

I never ONCE said they gave Nukes I said DELIVERY Systems Every single time

and honestly your desire to Not have anyone held responsible for their actions shows your age and immaturity...

You haven't even read, what I am saying...show me where I said They gave NUKES even 1x

reply to post by mopusvindictus


That's one of the most racially driven statements I have ever heard from someone on ATS, but surely it won't be the last.

You know many families such as my own grow up in a city heavily populated with African Americans. It doesn't mean grab a .45! It means you better learn to be racially diverse in a hurry. Hopefully these are values imposed on your children, are they not?

I went to a public school with atleast 50% white 50% black and guess what buddy, NOBODY was killed by violence. In fact, instead I met a lot of really great alternative personalities whom are able to open your mind with a different point of view.

I would consider you at fault for not exposing your children to blacks. Many children grow up sheltered in this way and are automatically black-fearing whites because they were never able to interact with them.

Until you provide some credible evidence supporting the fact that Germany has any part in international affairs - great enough of an influence that they could cause WW3 (including at the very least every world power), this thread should be deemed officially a flame war.

I will no longer take part in this ignorant discussion in which you dared to hint a black school is less safe than a white one.

Oklahoma City Bombing - White Guy
Murrah Federal Building - White Guy
Numerous School Shootings - White Guys
Majority of Meth abusers - White Guys

Worse of all of this debate

Is the complete LACK of understanding on your Parts of The actual needs of The Israelis in terms of going ahead with a strike on Iran

Or how crucial these subs actually are to their ability to do so.

We propped Israel with the Nukes as far back as the 60's

The subs were given This year by Germany

They were a Must Have Item for Israel to consider a strike On Iran....

Currently we are limiting the kind of access we give them because we are afraid of what they might do...


Israel simply doesn't have an airforce of a size it can afford to waste nor the ability to go at Irans hardened facilities and destroy the program alone.

Not without nukes

and delivered by Missile

Particularly if Iran has gotten a Nuke from someone... Iran would still be able to wipe Israel off the map, get it launched in time...

and they can do the same chemically and biologically right now to the best of my knowledge


With the subs, fitted with Nuclear tipped cruise missiles, Israel can not just take down Iran, they can be sure of doing it and keeping their air force intact and keeping the defenses of Iran on the down low and probably preventing an immediate launch of any highly technical missiles... suprise attack


Germany Gave them that... period, it's Fact


Why, as the theory would go... to keep iran at bay

Maybe, maybe they are right

I think, the Israelis are going to use it offensively, I really do, they are damn scared over there...

argue that... that maybe it will prevent the war...

escalation worked for Us and Russia

I would only say

Iran isn't Russia and Israel is not America

and This was probably a huge mistake

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Listen the problem with debates such as this is your entirely speculating as an outsider with no real inside knowledge.

It's a redundant argument and the same argument could be made that any country on the planet COULD POTENTIALLY trigger WW3. Your using nothing other than hypothetical situations, and anyone could do the same thing with even the most obscure country.

It was France who constructed the reactor at Dimona, it were English boats who transported heavy water from Norway [this was maybe due to their friendship during the Suez crisis]..ANd yes Germany delivered the subs, that could of been any other country even my country sold those subs to anyone who paid, except that Germany gave them cause they owed them..
Germany is part of the EU, the doctrine of the EU is more diplomatic and no so primitive as you are assuming..

The whole argument is assuming Israel has a nuclear involvement with WW3. What if it doesn't? Then how do you pin Germany on this?

reply to post by blowfishdl


stop your nonsense and pc tripe and stick to the fact son

you misread the whole thread and argued out your rear and don't even understand the technical and military reasons the subs were a bad move nopr the whole point of my posts because you too busy arguing blame and defending the peaceful people and paying no attention to war which is what it's about

Throwing in a race card here is pathetic... and a diversion of your misread of what I was saying and being blatantly wrong

I wouldn't want to be Black in an all white school either...

it was an analogy, your 50/50 school means nothing so what, yeah your integrated, get to the point

My example is what it was... a Jewish country in the middle of a Billion Arabs was a Dumb Idea

people ARE racist, I'm not for saying so, get a grown argument or don't argue, I don't walk through bed stuy at night and I stay out of south Phx too, there are people there that would target me..period same goes for a black kid in the wrong parts of the south, no crime in saying it...

Some places among some people you need to put your head down walk fast and shut the hell the up, sending your kid to school in those places is your fault

Not the PEOPLE the GANGS and alone you without a gang your screwed... Compton is a fine example of that kind of place for a white kid and it's not a comment on the people 99% are fine, but the guys on the corner outside the school who go to jail where you are FORCED into racially driven gangs will shank you

and plenty of white neighborhoods where the same thing is true...

so stop the nonsense and deal with the point

Israel in that location is Doomsday, there will be no peace, giving them more guns isn't the answer

reply to post by blowfishdl


lol more race, grow up

anything to distract fro the submarine sale and your inability

You know, these pc kind of arguments they insult anyone who knows anything, it's all whine, all Americas fault, no one is to blame no one else is held accountable ... race and pc and ... it's a lack of intellect to use these debate killers when you lack the ability to address the issue at hand

Your ideals of segregation are extremely worrisome. It was my personal hope that the Obama election would diffuse some of this thought and really put into some action integration.

The reason black community's are completely black is because of you. Yes you. Your too much of a wimp to walk down the streets and see for yourself. You'll never fully understand unless your exposed to it. The more people that are exposed to it the less segregation is occurring because more people are walking down that street. It is fear in which we should fear alone.

Try it out sometime, I promise you won't be killed. You may be robbed, you may be beat up, but you fought for the right to walk down that street.

Instead, you choose to walk the other way, never find out if its as bad as they said it was, never fought for your right to be there, and therefor never gained the right to be there.

If I come back online and you have 2+ supporters backing your theory then I will continue this debate. But for now I can only see this as theoretical bull-honkey.

reply to post by blowfishdl


No real inside knowledge

as a jew... how many Israelis do I know and who is in my family.

I have 0 speculation that Israel absolutely has an extremely strong desire to first strike right now, that includes a relative with a congregation as a Rabbi in Israel, and another in Mossad and another in Politics...

If you think i'm bsing... feel free to, but remember, there aren't that many of us are there.... it's a pretty small circle of friends in the end

and

I'm not speculating, those subs are intended for use if deemed necessary, the MAJORITY of those involved have Intentions

and unless something Gives, maybe with Obama in office...I dunno

it's not honestly speculation at this point in time, it's intention...

and it's Insanity

reply to post by blowfishdl


It's all an IF

I'm telling you and so Is the Israeli Govt and The Iranian Govt...the same noise for 2 years...

This is very likely to POP

and PLEASE

may It not happen

But right now, it's real and the no1 threat of WW3

No One should be selling Either side anything

reply to post by blowfishdl


when did i say segregation LOL

you know what my juvenile friend, I grew up in Brooklyn, I've been to Jail and like everything else, your so far off base it's ridiculous

Your still, bouncing about baiting me into race nonsense and it's really small

Some neighborhoods are bad, period Okay, no stop with your race crap because you refuse to address that Germany sold Israel WMD Delivery systems


Germany to Cause WW3 is the thread...

My answer was... very possible by way of that weapons system and detection capabilities they provided Israel... not DEFINITE,

the Answer was YES, they May inadvertently cause WW3 by providing israel the ability to first strike Iran

It's valid on any level

and LOL, I have walked everywhere I felt like it and... now that i'm not a young punk... no, I avoid places I might get Jumped and I don't send my kids to school those places either

Because like Israel, holding on to this dream... it's to prove a point...

I have no need at my age to be HARD anymore... because you just go on proving it till the day comes your wrong, no matter who you are

when your old enough you'll get that

Israel is being a punk, remaining there, proving it can what "survive" great, nice life, getting bombed in the street.... not by Palestinians LOL, but by the Thugs of that culture...

Should I say bad example..bad only because you don't want to "get it"

some things are just dumb

You might not fit in someplace because of allot of reasons... you don't stay where your NOT WANTED

Most Jews like myself have the Brains to get that, America is a lovely place

ALLOT of Jews who remain in Israel are Die Hards, Fanatics...

when America WAS giving them major toys.... that wasn't the case, allot of people got stuck there after WW2

Those who remain are prepared to die like their Islamic counter parts

Am I racist against my own people NO... THOSE JEWS, many of them are effin Crazy

Just Like THOSE ARABS are CRAZY and THOSE Gangsta's In COMPTON ARE TOO

and If YOU want to prove a point by thuggin by them all on a Friday night go right ahead... or vice versa to the Meth Lab if your Black

But... me,

I have nothing to prove anymore...

It doesn't make a Black guy more a Man to go ride through some Redneck town because he can lol, nor does it make me a Tough guy to walk through some parts of Brooklyn at night

Those aren't the people you WANT to know of ANY Race, it's the lowest common denominator

It's the place where your going to guarantee meeting the poorest, most angry disenfranchised doped out people lol....

Obama won't go out without the bullet proof glass lol... because SOME people are whackos

Is it a comment on White people when Obama checks His door lock in Parts of Florida....



NO

It's a comment on those people...some of them, there are Racist nuts in that neighborhood and your asking for it if you ignore it

from a half german uk born resident, this thred is a load of #ing #, pardon my french,. actualy don't pardon my french their wankers.
or is that racist, just like this thred.
and anyway you can drive as fast as you like on some of the german motorways, or freeways.
freeways, why are they called that, there about as free as me and i'm in solitary

reply to post by blowfishdl


NICE Bye, Majority doesn't rule only in elections pal

My only regret was continuing when you made this a race debate because you have no Military knowledge what so ever or any idea why israel needed those subs and not a leg to stand on

reply to post by Foppezao


Hey, 100% agreed... Europe is very diplomatic and (g-d knows better at it than us lately)

All I am saying before this kid went off is

Huge mistake of Germany to sell those Subs

and

It's not Just America, we are ALL responsible for the Catastrophe that may well happen here

and Germany Is... the last country you'd expect to put a final piece of this if it happens into the fray, but the German Govt did do it...

The world community at Large is, being Vile lately

There is NO EXCUSE, for any First world nation aiding Nations who are Fanatical to acquire the means to fight with these kinds of toys, not anymore, mot now given how hot it is...


If Israel uses those Subs to enable it to strike Iran and goes Nuclear as a means of stopping the weapons development

Germany, good country, as a Jew in this time and day and age, no reason to be guilted by Israel into any crazy weapons sales


It's sick, Israel is a 1st world nation technically and monetarily but NOT Philisophiclly

Not anymore at least... not given the situation and stress they are under,

and...

They don't need more guns right now... the only answer might be to loose for the sake of the world, I see no end to this but a bad ending

Me... I'd take my religion seriously and act, in the name of life and peace here

Because IMHO

There are those that want Israel and Iran and all the elements of religion in the area to obliterate themselves

So if Isreal wipe Iran from the map its Germanys fault and so Germany will start world war three?
If I follow they are also implicated because they let USAF planes land in their country, like they have a choise. Explain this please.
Why not blame all possible nuclear attacks on Einstein, oh wait you already have. lol
So why do you hate the Germans so bad? Because your Jewish?
So to recap if the mad Jews start firing off missiles blame Germany, lol.
Thats brilliant.

It wasn't germany persay started the previous world wars. it was the banking elite that funded germany that instigated the wars. if take a good look at what is happing in the USA right you can see that the bankers are collapsing the economy here like they did in germany. and not to metion that project paperclip brought the people behind the nazis to the USA after the war to basicaly engineer our current system we live in. The USA is a nazi dream come true. please wake up and relize that WW3 started the day we invaded afganastain. just becuase bush didn't turn out the hitler of our time doesn't mean obama isn't, his role is get the rest of the sheeple that think that it was all the neocons fault, to get on board for the mass raping of the world. please stop watching football and do some research

reply to post by xXxArMaGeDdOnxXx


Uh... have you taken a history class lately? Germany doesn't just go running around the world starting World Wars for the lulz. There's a lot of complex components, ideologies, and politics which went into their policies that eventually lead up to war. They weren't just bored one day and decided that the best way to relieve their ennui was to embroil the world in bloodshed.

And FYI, Germany already played it's part in "WWIII", or what could have very easily been WWIII. The Iron Curtain that divided East and West Berlin was a pouderkeg, and could very easily have triggered a World War between the Soviets and the Western powers. If you read up on the Cuban Missile Crisis (October Crisis, as they call it in Russia IIRC) - you should be able to pick up on the distinct impression that Kennedy had his mind more in Berlin than he did in Havana. Especially when it came to rules of engagement forcing endless retaliations until somebody made a move on a flashpoint like Berlin - to which we pledged to defend. Defense plans which included the use of Nuclear Weapons.