Germany to Cause WW3

Well hold on now I didn't say we couldn't connect the A-Bomb to Einstein. I said we couldn't blame Einstein for the manner in which it was used, nor the possible future repercussions for the bomb. After all, he was one of many who worked on building this bomb and he did so to fight the German dictatorship in which he himself escaped.

The creation of the bomb is not evil, it is merely an invention. May be an invention capable of inexplicable destruction, but yet it is merely an invention.

The blood is on the hands of those who punch in the launch codes. The man who created the gun is not to blame for the massacre in Iraq. The man who invented the computer is not to blame for child pornography. The man who invented cars isn't to blame for drunk driving. The man who invented planes isn't to blame for bombing of civilian villages. The man who invented rat poison isn't to blame for those who poison others. The man who invented the knife isn't to blame for stabbing a friend in the back. The man who invented glue isn't to blame for glue sniffers. The man who invented the rocket isn't to blame for rocket bombs (including rocket propelled Atomic Bombs).

Do you see where I'm going with this? It is not the object in which is to blame, it is the man behind the wheel.

To be INNOCENT

You have to not be involved

In a crime if you give someone a knife knowing that it might be used to KILL

Your implicated, period

If your in a Gang and that Gang Plots to Kill someone and you harbor that person your Implicated

all this peaceful Germany stuff is UNTRUE

OUR bombers Land on their soil, they are selling WMD Launch Capacity to a Nation they know might use it

If it begins that way...

Germany will have been part of at least the cause

If Germany was innocent

It wouldn't be In the Gang

and no curt of Law int he western land if this was individuals not nations would Judge it any other way

You sold the murder the gun, you were part if his gang you harbored the criminal

If arrested, you would do time...

It's not about

The gang leader or who pulls the trigger

all parties share responsibility when it's said and done.



War was wrong?

That Oil is being used in Europe right now, they drive to work on the blood just like we do, they all sent some troops, we landed on their airstrips

Israel was created by England

For peace, you can't be involved at all to say your not part of it

If WW3 starts Germany played a MAJOR Role

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
To be INNOCENT

You have to not be involved

In a crime if you give someone a knife knowing that it might be used to KILL

Your implicated, period

You are basically saying it is OK to kill the messenger.

I do not agree.

i seem to recall dubya's dad selling gas chambers door to door in germany or something? seriously tho he financed hitler's regime. Earlier today, I saw on youtube a video where it was learned the government was financing russian universities, and it is of some government official questioning another. the investigation is ongoing (cnn it was on, unbelievably). anyways, my point is that stuff goes on behind the curtains without our knowledge, so we should not be blamed by other civilians of the world. these guys support each other from all the corners of the earth, in the shadows. Kind of like crack addicts. these are the guys who start the wars so i think saying (x) country started is is a step backwards. Are you guys arguing about this cause you're bored? I'm assuming many of you know of the nwo. If this is so, like, why talk about issues such as that when we've already eastablished the real truth of the situation? It seems like another distraction added to the seemingly infinite list.

Originally posted by Hellmutt


If this thread was started let's say a year ago, I'd find the idea of Germany triggering (or being involved somehow in triggering) WWIII. But I must say that Merkel surprised me (and I mean really surprised me) with her statement after Georgia tried to wipe out South Ossetia. She said that Georgia could and should get NATO membership at once (because Russia intervened). It was shocking to see that Germany seemed to support Saakashvili's actions, that led to the Georgia/Russia war. My 2 cents...

Just wanted to clarify are they really referring to the conflict a Georgia/Russia war? Although not insignificant it is simply not enough to incite world war. I believe that was your opinion on the matter as well.

reply to post by blowfishdl


Einstein BLAMED HIMSELF

he was smarter than you and I and the next 20 posters put together

and he was right to

Your arguing it shouldn't be held that way or against him, your arguing against Einstein Himself

We are Responsible for the things we do, the wars don't end until Every one and every nation accepts that

It's easy to point fingers... but the USA but Bush, but the Jews, But Islam

They Manufacture WMD delivery systems

They caused WW2

They added the final notch in Israels belt In Capacity to take out it's neighbors regardless of methods used against them

They let us land on their bases to attack Iraq

They buy at least some of that oil

The US as a power wouldn't exist without the events of ww2, without Nato


Only in... taking responsibility and Action to correct those mistakes can it ever end



There's one guy, in a century...Gandhi that did it right

and I'm no peace nic

Just

True is True

Germany has a big hand in it all

why defend anyone in this mess? Let alone the nation that started this chain of events that led us here?

and is still in a world of "will to power" they are involved, playing the game...after everything that happened... that Govt sells, WMD delivery systems hosts the capacity of war, is part of a Military Alliance

That might just be the way it has to be

but it's not devoid of responsibility, it's operating with free will, and it's participating

The only nation not guilty is the one that doesn't take a side

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by blowfishdl

 

Einstein BLAMED HIMSELF

he was smarter than you and I and the next 20 posters put together

and he was right to

Your arguing it shouldn't be held that way or against him, your arguing against Einstein Himself

That's pretty harsh to blame himself, however he just knew that they created a monster. He was a very smart man obviously, but he was being harsh on himself.

This argument basically comes down to whom the individual point of view blames. You have two choices.

1. Do you blame the organization?

OR

2. Do you blame the organizations scientists?

I personally choose to blame the organization. They heard the scientists give them individual small goals which eventually leads up to a much larger goal sometimes without even the knowledge of the scientists.

Even Einstein had to make a buck to survive and its hard to turn down a national defense contract when you were pennies over dollars in Germany.

[edit on 23/11/2008 by blowfishdl]

reply to post by blowfishdl


It was a 5-day war. My point was that Merkel wanted to give Georgia 100% support and NATO membership. And if they get NATO membership and do something similar (and trigger a new war with Russia), we could be looking at WWIII.

reply to post by Hellmutt


A mere war with Russia doesn't trigger World War necessarily. Is it possible? well anything is possible good sir. However the Russian/Georgia conflict was a small distraction in a much larger global goal for NWO. In fact, I would go as far as to argue the NWO is the sole reason for the third and final world war.

reply to post by blowfishdl


Giving the murder weapon is NOT a messenger it's an accessory to Murder.

I won't continue it, but... understanding it is, a part of a thought process through which if you ever want peace personal or otherwise you should understand

A messenger delivers the mail

letting Israel know they are in danger is being a messenger

Going before the UN and demanding justice is being a Friend

Selling Them Nuclear Capable Submarines when they have pledged to first strike Iran...

In the case of the human scenario... that is definitively accessory to murder if Israel uses it

I'm done, it's going in circles my friend... but in NOT escaping responsibility we are free to become something better

reply to post by mopusvindictus


I believe your facts have been crossed. Israel was granted the right to be a Nuclear Power by the UN and supported by the United States. It was not Germany who gave Israel the nuclear right.

The last thing the German people would want is war!

To imply they have learned nothing from the past is sheer ignorance.

Most people have never experienced entire cities leveled to the ground with
hundreds of thousands and millions killed.
They would never want to go through such carnage and sheer destruction ever again.

If there is ever another global war, it will be fought over natural resources and corporate greed as we have learned from the invasion of Iraq.

reply to post by blowfishdl


He still had choice, and in the end he knew that as well as we all do

All he did was sign a letter and come up with a theory 40 years earlier

and being a Genius, he Knew he never should have released that theory

or let it be known he believed it was possible

He knew his mind opened the can of worms...

and what was it why, way back then Fame, Respect, Acknowledgment

he didn't think in his life time the bomb would be made

but he operated from a place of EGO at the time

and during ww2 revenge on Germany for what was being done to the Jews

and he knew the truth

Because he was bright enough to "get it" he was to blame, his wisdom had not advanced as fast as his Intellect

and it was indeed a tragedy



and all i'm saying is

If we don't want it all to go up in smoke... we all have to think like that brilliant man and teach our kids to think that way

because he was right

it was his fault

and when we get to that place... where we don't protect ourselves from our wrong doings try to pretend they don't exist... we might achieve peace... On a personal level and an international level

It's called "Death of EGO"

He had it at that point, we all need to

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Let's discard the Einstein metaphor, as it is no longer evident.

Let me ask you a more personal question...

If you had a child, and you never taught this child black belt karate, would you be responsible for him being beaten down?

In my oppinion WW III will be started out of something insignificant blown out of proportion. And on the end everybody wondering WTF just happened?

reply to post by blowfishdl


NO it was US, agreed, we gave them the Nukes

Germany gave them first strike capability recently, and have ensured second strike capacity if they are targeted, that's all

Made the strike on Iran POSSIBLE

You realize the size of Israel right? a Single Nuke could potentially destroy them

Not anymore, thanks to Germany

Fair, perhaps

they are under duress

Israel with the Detection system, will be able to launch almost everything if it's launched at

and

It can deliver a blow that prevents Iran from launching ever by sub

so

They Took sides at a CRUCIAL MOMENT IN HISTORY

Israel can first strike Iran even if they deploy nukes

Germany one upped them again...prior perhaps to Iran even having a Nuke

IF

Israel uses it in Belligerence it will have been done in Germany hardware

IF

A rouge element strikes Israel and they kill Millions of innocents in vengeance, that too will be on Germany's hands


Even the USA did not give Israel what it needed to do these things

our policies were... 40 years ago and not direct at the current Israeli Govt's mindset

we won't even give them the Raptor now

why?

because we know they will use it

If the main stream media can tell millions of people there was a good excuse to go to war with iraq (nukes)..... what makes you think that it only takes military power to start a war?

all other wars have been started for corperate interest's

what makes you not think that a WW3 wont start the same way?

[edit on 23-11-2008 by forshow]

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Germany doesn't really have any recent conflicts other than the assistance of US and UN soldiers in Iraq.

Germany has no soldiers in Iraq. We oppose that war. We only are in Afghanistan as part of ISAF, and even this is highly opposed among citizens.

Germany has no nukes, we are even in the process of shutting down our civilan nuclear program and replace it with green, reproducalbe energy.

We have a very small militairy, and try to stay neutral whenever possible (as in Iraq). Our military rights are very strict, for example we have send two war ships to the Gulf of Aden to fight piracy there, and our military may not arrest any pirates, that's not their job (though they are in the process of loosening the law to give them green light in this special case).

With all the conflicts around the world, I think it's pretty unlikeley that of all countries Germany starts a WWIII. The allies have done a pretty good job - better then at their own countries imho - after WWII to prevent this, our strict military rights and neutral attitude are a consequence of this.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


I mean no disrespect on the subject however there is too many IF's and BUT's in the scenario that Germany creates WW3. There is no reports or information to support this scenario no matter which way you look at it.

Could it happen? Anything can happen. One individual could potentially start WW3 under the right circumstances. It is however belligerently ignorant to say "Germany WILL start WW3" and back it up with little more than hypothetical situations.

If Germany has learned anything from wars in the past as well as the Wars we are currently fighting, it would be that they would not benefit in anyway from war. If they look at the US our economy is falling because of the trillions of dollars spent on a war that was lead by false information. So why Iraq? It's just another piece to the NWO puzzle.

Germany's economy is currently way more solid than the US and it would be such an ignorant mistake to step out of line at this point that they would never do it being the intelligent country that they are. They are very comfortable in the situation they are in now, and after rebuilding from WW3 (not that long ago I might add) they absolutely DO NOT want to ever be invaded again. Period.

The German military strategy is to assume the presence among the U.N. when necessary, support nationalized strategy's to deter WAR and Terrorism, but most importantly to secure national defense. Any scenario which they can be dubbed the cause of WW3 would be horrible for the economy, national defense, allies, etc.

Do you see why the scenario is so unlikely?