Did Hitler Really Die In the Bunker or in Argentina?

reply to post by earthdude


any idea of the date of the photo or who her grandfather may have been?

This article is VERY VERY interesting check it out

www.associatedcontent.com...

hitler was assasinated in 1942 and replaced with a synthetic doppleganger.

with all of the advances in technology, wouldn't someone be able to take facial recognition software and compare the pictures of Hitler and Father Crespi to see if the features match? Any one here have the ability to do so? It would be neat to see an overlay of pictures to see if they match also. I have no idea on how to do this but maybe someone here does?

reply to post by ipsedixit


Lol good one for a second I thought you were being serious.

reply to post by Truther


First reaction to the link... anti-semitism at its finest. For shame OP. For shame...

One would think #ler's mad scientists and doctors were far more valuable to the USA and Britain than #ler himself.

I'm more interested in here and now than 1945.

Some footage of the man himself, i must say i dont think Hitler would have been doing ducumentaries lol.

www.youtube.com...

And while i have read about a lavish funeral i can find no footage or images of it or the tomb " Hitler" is said to have been buried in.It does seem their is a certain element of mystery surrounding the man and who he really may have bee, but i doubt it is Hitler.
So much of the information does not make sense

1 - The Bormann conspiracy is backed up by many sightings, and the clay on his skull that is not found in Berlin. Had Bormann been altered their would have been no sightings!

2 - The story states Bormann set up his headquaters for the Fourth Reich in the same town as this man resided, so why then would "Hitler" spend the next 40 odd years sleeping on a concrete floor?

In short i could go on with reasons why it isn't, but i do not feel it is necessary, who ever this man may have been, i dont think we should think him to be Hitler.

Same link as before, but i feel this contains the bulk of information on the theory.


www.associatedcontent.com...

I think Hitler escaped to Argentina,because there seems to be lots of evidence which suports it,also new book has been written which claims that the authour has spoken to witnesses to him been in argentina. Also apparently his skull was a woman's skull

reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe


Well it is said that the nose and earlobes keep growing throughout your life.

reply to post by jerico65


"The Russians had his body until 1970. One night, they cremated it and scattered the ashes in a river (I think the Elbe, but not sure).

They are suppose to have a chunk of his skull, but that's been questioned."

They're not gonna get much out of his skull, they'd need his lips for that, surely ?

Did OBL really die in that house
and was disposed in the sea in a white sheet ?

the US arbored many nazi scientists
wouldnt surprise me if Hitler didnt die in europe but in America
die of old age

Until quite recently I would not accept that Hitler survived however the news in 2011 that the skull fragment with a bullet hole in it which the Russians always claimed was Hitler's is anatomically female caused me to reconsider.

The most interesting suggestion I came across was one that he was flown to Spain and died there of cancer in November 1947. That would make sense since Spain was a truly closed country after WW2. It was outlawed in Spain for anyone to enquire into it's association with Nazi Germany.

Mussolini for example was in a German convoy headed for the Swiss border to take a flight to Spain when Italian communists captured him.

Belgian fascist Leon Degrelle flew to Spain in a German aircraft and a Norwegian traitor also took a flight on a KG200 B-17 bomber in May 1945 to find sanctuary in Spain.

All these matters are more than co-incidence.

reply to post by ChrisF231


when they tested the skull the russians had that supposedly belonged to Hitler it came back as a female skull.

If Hitler did escape, many claim that he took Eva Braun with him.
I do not personally believe that statement. I've taken a college course on Nazi Germany (though I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means.)
Der Führer never really had "relationships" with the ladies. some have suggested that he was asexual.
I believe that he married Eva to appease her before he let her die. she stuck with him through everything. and back then, not being married before you died was frowned upon in the eyes of god.
I believe that Hitler let Eva take the cyanide capsule, and then possibly staged his own death.
he then escaped to ...wherever xD... without her.

just my theory.

Interesting point about the cyanide pill and Eva Braun. Definitely the marriage and Last Testament were so theatrical that they were intended ploys.

The last possible chance for escape by air from the runway on Unter den Linden appears to have been on 29 April 1945 when a Ju-352 departed Berlin. Between 25-29 April 1945 Hitler's own personal transport aircraft, a Junkers Ju-290 A6 of Fuhrer des Fleigers (FdF) is known to have landed on the improvised street runway.

The interesting point which has only just occurred to me is that this aircraft was flown to Spain by Hitler's personal pilot Hauptmann Braun, yet it was also seen to land in the streets of Berlin during the Soviet encirclement.

Hitler's aircraft has become confused and perhaps deliberately so with another Ju-290 flown from Prague which ran off the runway at Barcelona on or about 27 April 1945 on a foggy night damaging it's tail wheel.

Hitler's transport continued a long career in Spain. After overhaul at Léon and the replacement of the decayed Buna rubber fuel tanks by metal tanks, the Ju 290A-6 served with the Escuela Superior del Vuelo at Salamanca - Matácan, being used during exercises in co-operation with naval forces and as personnel transport until, in the mid 'fifties, it suffered a minor accident and, as spares were no longer available, it was finally scrapped.

The obvious finale is right under everybody's noses.

:?)

jerico65

Originally posted by Ign0rant
There is no telling where he died. He could have easily escaped the bunker.

How? The Russians had pretty much encircled Berlin in April 1945. Or are you thinking he escaped prior to that?

General Franco's driver Stefan Aceituna claimed that Hitler was flown from Berlin on the night of 27 April leaving behind a double who was seen in the bunker. SS Gen Hans Feiglein who also disappeared that night claimed to his mistress Mdm Rizzler the eve of his disappearance that Hitler had a double in the bunker.

At least two large Junkers Ju290 aircraft, including one which was Hitler's personal Ju290-A6 is known to have flown from Prague to Barcelona that night. That aircraft ended up flown in service by the Spanish Air Force.

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Hitler's Ju290-A6 in postwar Spanish service

One of the Ju-290 aircraft at Berlin abandoned near Salzberg, 1945

The East West Axis (Ost-West-Achse) was turned into an extremely wide runway and from 26 April to 29 April received multiple landings by various aircraft. That particular runway however had large monuments at either end (Siegessäule and Bandenberger Tor) making approach and take of hazardous. Another Boulevard Bellevueallee crossed the east west axis diagonally and this was also use as a runway.

Looking across the Tiergarten runway to Siegessäule

A trailer transported radar apparatus was set up by the Germans to provide approach guidance and also a Non Directional Beacon (NDB radio beacon) was established there before Berlin was encircled.

The East West Axis through Berlin's Tiergarten was used by at least two Ju-52 of Luftwaffe Gen Hans Bauer's FdF (Hitler's personal Squadron), plus up to six Ju-352 aircraft (G6+XY, G6+UY, G6+WY, G6+RX, G6+YY, G6 + EX and G6+NX) all aircraft of KG.zbV2 (“Großraumtransportstaffel” II/TG4), Lufttransport Gruppe 4 (aka Squadron „Mauß), also by Ju-290 (9V+BK) piloted by Lt Herbert Wagner and by two FW-200 belonging to FdF (one coded TK+CV the other CE+IC). In addition a Ju-352 operated by FdF stkz KT+VJ piloted by Olt Schultz is known to have made repeated flights to the East West Axis ferrying in the naval reserve unit 1.FuMLAbt. Four Arado 232 aircraft, codes A3 + QB, A3 + RB, A3 + SB and A3 + TB also made flights into Berlin.

One Ju52 flown into Berlin was flown by Oberfeldwebel Böhm from II./TGr 3 and another Ju52 by Uffz. Johannes Lachmund who described events in his 2009 memoir: Fliegen ; Mein Traumberuf – bis zu den bitteren Erlebnissen des Krieges, pub by Verlagshaus Monsenstein und Vannerdat OHG Münster, 2009

Additionally on the night 25th/26th of April, Ju 52 floatplanes of 3./I./TG 1 conveyed 175 men of Stralsund Alarm Batallion (1.SStR) from Pütnitz (near Ribnitz) to Havel See, Berlin. Bv138 aircraft of KG200 also operated to Havel See.

Stefan Aceituna claims that from Barcelona, Hitler arrived at Madrid under the alis; Adis Lupi on 30 April with a large German entourage who took over an entire wing of Franco's Presidential Palace. Aceituna insists that Hitler died of a massive coronary in the early morning of 2 November 1947. Hardly surprising for a man so wracked by anxiety and fallen from grace.

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If the ears don't fit, you must acquit!

Yeah, ears get bigger as you get older, but where the ear canal enters the skull doesn't shift around! Your skull doesn't change much after you reach adulthood.

reply to post by Truther


The chancellery would have been the first place that was gone over with a fine tooth comb, the only thing found was what they were meant to find. If Adolph Hitler and Eva Braun had an escape plan, it would have been a pretty good one. Spain would have been logical, as Franco owed Hitler for help during the civil war. He could have escaped, many lower ranking Nazis did , Germany was humming again in the sixties, when France was still putting plaster in the bullet holes, and Holland was trying to patch up repatriated machine tools from Germany, when German industry was given the latest American ones.
The plan would have gone into operation the day the war was unwinnable. Whos to say the last films of Hitler were actually of Hitler.

Interesting point about the cyanide pill and Eva Braun. Definitely the marriage and Last Testament were so theatrical that they were intended ploys.

First-that is not the picture of the double the Russians found. Second-the entire marriage issue has been suspicious from the very start considering the fact that the only ones who saw the actual vows exchanged were all dead within 36 hours. Krebs-shot himself Wagner-was killed by artillery returning to his post after the marriage- Bormann died near the flak tower in the confusion after the breakout and Minster Goebbels was given the coup de grace by his adjutant before being burned in the Chancellery garden.

So all you have is the wedding document carried out by v Below and others. Also, and the most puzzling, is the fact that neither v Greim nor Hanna Reitsch saw any kind of wedding being preformed before they left-which simply could not have occurred without their knowledge.

This greatly disturbed Professor Trevor-Roper however these inconsistencies in the 'wedding' have never been solved.