Gruesome Iraq Images Could Shake U.S. Opinion

Each side of the war debate will use this to justify their views, like usual.

Personally, this does piss me off, but I expect things like this when you try to deal with Barbarians in a civilized way. I'm all for peace and live and let live, but we need to go ahead and instill some fear into those people since that is the only thing they understand or respect.

Even if we packed up tomorrow and left Iraq, the rest of the world is still going to hate us. People want a scapegoat for their problems and we're easy to talk crap at, because they know we are too humanitarian to just walk in and slaughter them all.

The president never had a problem with putting people who were mentally retarded to death in texas..

Why should he attend the funeral or care about a soldiers or security contractors death in iraq???

other than for political gain

[Edited on 1-4-2004 by watcheroftheskies]

We need to level the Suni Triangle. The main problem was lack of US Troops to saturate the triangle at beggining of the war. They should have been forced to see a marine every time the took a pee. The triangle should have been smacked hard with a iron fist that latter turned into a velvet glove as the Sunnis earned it over time. Instead we left the area basically unoccupied and they have gone hog wild as a result. Shooting spit balls and throwing erasers when the teacher is not in the classroom. Strategy flaw. This hot bed of insurgency is as expected. The attacks will increase in tempo until June because the insurgents wont want the US to hand over the country to Iraq independent government - that will validate our cause - that we liberated and left.. When we leave, they will not be able to say we were there to steal the oil. After all we would have already done that if that was the plan. But we have not annexed the oil feilds with direct pipeline to US. It was more about not letting an thug with terroirst sympathies sit on top of the worlds 3rd largest oil supply and all the wealth it brings - to use the funds for evil. Is that so friggen hard to understand. I am not passing judgement - thats just the factual truth.

Originally posted by CanadaCANfight
awwww muffin's.... really hurts when use ur own people dead on tv and not just a number on a peice of paper eh. well nothing personal but its about F'in time you did. deal with it. these things will happen every dam week in iraq.. while ur in that country. thats usually what happens when u invade a country.

oh and to those who want to level the country because of the actions of a few people... get a f'in life if that was the way the world worked... we would have nuked america long ago for all the god dam violent death's that go on their and in every other country

Just curious, where are you from ?

Originally posted by Joseph Knecht
I find it just as sickening to watch cnn and all the commentators so excited about the weaponry and tactics in the war. Rumsfeld was visibly excited about the shock and awe campaign.

And watching that jackass on fox showing pictures of an arab fleeing on a horse and saying 'the americans are coming, the americans are coming.'

Seriously, I sit in class everyday listening to my teacher crack jokes about people dying, and listen to other students laughing about the war and people being blown up...just because it is far away and they will never see it firsthand...I'm sure the same people wouldn't be laughing or encouraging war once their asses are on the line...I'm sick of hearing all this #, it's everywhere, and just proves how low and despicable our society has become.

may be they were part of the cia death squads ???

violence begets more violence

Originally posted by TrueLies
I heard on AM radio this afternoon that those

"Private contractors" were actually "Secret Service" agents, disquised.......


These "so called private contractors" were there to gather information on something.....Not sure what it is, if anyone finds out. Post the link.....


No Bullsiht. TL

They're gathering information on a good place to "plant" the WMD's that are going to be found before election time....

Look, civilians delivering food, that is who they were. They worked as security for the food program in the area.

I hope we use the video of these sickos, find them, hunt them down and take vengence. See that is the only thing the arab world understands. We are talking about a civilized society trying to help an uncivilized society move to democracy.

Okay before you start saying different let's consider this is a society that will blow up women and children to prove a point, they send children to their deaths in hope of getting more land and they treat women as badly as they might treat a dog.

It is time we realize that not everyone in the world has advanced, some are stuck in past centuries, using religion as an excuse for brutality and oppression.

I know the US and it's allies are not perfect but we are a damn bit better then these animals. Cage them up and let them kill each other off, may be the only choice.

People want a scapegoat for their problems and we're easy to talk crap at, because they know we are too humanitarian to just walk in and slaughter them all.

That humanitarianism is speculative. We wiped out Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a flash. If some of these warmongers could get away with it, they would gladly slaughter them all.

It's also interesting how four gruesome deaths of americans are met with such anger, while the deaths and maiming of 10,000 Iraqis are conviently viewed as 'collateral'.

What a backwards mentality.

if anyone thinks that the iraqi situation is about anything other than money i would ask you to at least consider that it isnt about anything other than that.

question: How many more average lives is this conflict worth???
and if you support it ....is it worth yours???

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
The fighting fire with fire thing actually comes from the practice of fighting fire with fire. Right, a controlled burn to use up the fuel and contain a fire that is out of control. It works. Not every time, but most of the time. Sometimes it makes the fire even more uncontrollable, you know, like when an unexpected south wind kicks up and stokes the fire, causing it to SWALLOW SMOKE JUMPERS WHOLE!!!!

Guy Smiley

What do you mean by this? I need some more info.
Btw, I liked what you posted under that, there is ALOT of truth to that...... And... you ain't no fool...

if you think were so civilized native okie maybe you should consider the violence that americans perpetuate against each other...
columbine...
oklahoma bombing....
the school yard massacres in the california area
the d.c snipers

you dont think americans wouldnt act like this if there country was invaded???

have you ever seen pictures of the civilized people who went to public lynchings of blacks in the south???

Originally posted by TrueLies
What do you mean by this? I need some more info.
Btw, I liked what you posted under that, there is ALOT of truth to that...... And... you ain't no fool...

What? Fighting fire with fire? You burn a ring around a wildfire so it doesn't have anywhere to burn.

And I AM a FOOL DAMMIT!!! And there is nothing you can do or say short of coming to my house and making me a banana split with chocolate ice cream that will convince me otherwise!

Guy Smiley

Okay yes we have a few bad elements in a huge nation. We also help the world, we make medicine to cure the sick, we give more food to the world than any other nation, we have defended other nations against oppression.

Yeah humans are sick and there are sick people in all societies. It is the exception here, it is rule there. You would NEVER see people celebrating in the streets here after such an event. Our children would more likely rise up against the aggressors instead of celebrating them.

Sorry but trying to pick a few bad elements of our society and comparing it to the hundreds/thousands in the arab world who believe killing like this will get them 72 virgins is insane.

Stop defending dogs who walk like humans. Oh and as for lynchings, that was a long time ago (few exceptions for some sick people) but wide spread abuse like that has been gone a long time. We learned, we progressed, these people are determined to stay the course...

Delta Chaos wrote: The fighting fire with fire thing actually comes from the practice of fighting fire with fire. Right, a controlled burn to use up the fuel and contain a fire that is out of control. It works. Not every time, but most of the time. Sometimes it makes the fire even more uncontrollable, you know, like when an unexpected south wind kicks up and stokes the fire, causing it to SWALLOW SMOKE JUMPERS WHOLE!!!!


I understand the fire/fire concept. I also understand that when fighting an enemy that is vague and without form it is counterproductive to bomb an entire country. The enemy is anger and fear. Bombs will not change this, it will only feed the flames.

I really apreciate the second part of your post. It's high time we do look at ourselves: We live in the most violent country in the world, and we think we can go and fix other countries problems? We need to get the log out of our own eye first.

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
But what if we were that evil, and the fundamentalists were right in what we were doing? What if we were a country obsessed with sex to the point that we had drugs to keep our junk hard for hours? And what if we had actually convinced ourselves of our righteousness to the point that it was a national debate every time a boob flopped out on TV, causing divisiveness and angst amongst the people? And what if we were all hooked on drugs? What if the country were so depressed, dissatisfied, and malcontent that we had a prescription drug habit nationally about 40 times that of the rest of the world combined, but we weren't able to spare a few pills to the people of the rest of the world that would easily be cured of their ailments and not have to die at a young age? I wonder what would happen if we even remotely fit the description that the fundamentalists place on us. Maybe we would be able to see it for ourselves and possibly re-think the way we interact with our world. Maybe we wouldn't have a defense [sic] budget almost ten times that of our three most credible enemies combined at this point. Maybe we wouldn't engage in an election in which the outcome is largely determined by the size of a candidate's 'warchest' or the effectiveness of his 'attack ads', and contend for position in 'battleground' states in order to 'secure a foothold' on the White House. It really is all about the White House, isn't it?

Happy April Fools Day!
Guy Smiley

You sir are completely wrong.....we have a "defense" budget 10 times larger than the next 25 states after us.

Stellar observation on the drugging & malaise of America .


When did MERCENARIES get the glowingly legitimate title of DEFENSE CONTRACTORS.!?!?
These people were former SEAL's and one Ranger. They were from a group called "Blackwater" that has a SEAL & Naval training contract for 360 Million form the DOD.
Snuffing the locals in the "triangle" is, I guess, preemptive defense!?!