Obama's New Attack on Those Who Don't Want Higher Taxes: ‘Selfishness’

that's my question to all of yas.....
we have massive federal debt thanks to bush and buddies that we are gonna have to take care of sooner or later....it's not gonna go away, I don't see anyway that our economy is ever gonna grow enough to make the amount less significant, and well.....who should be paying for it???
the poor?? then we can just give the money they paid in taxes back to them in the form of social welfare programs?
the middle class....don't worry they won't completely collapse from the weight of the burden, that social safety net will catch them before that time comes, and well, we will pay the money they paid in back to them through that social safety net...
the rich?....they have money to spare, but way too many of us believe that it's their money that is keeping the world turning....
our kids and our children's kids....seems to be what bush thinks, he just keeps borrowing and borrowing so he can spend and spend!! that nice compassionate christian conservative seems to have one heck of problem with the idea that my grandchild maybe should at least have the same benefits in life as I did.....he seems to want to make them slaves to his insane whims!! sounds like many here feel the same way... just ignore the problem and it will go away or at least I will fade away into the dirt maybe before it has to be addressed!

now, even if we cut that budget down to it's bare bones, I bet ya we would have to raise someone's taxes to get out of this massive crater bush has dug us into....
so, well....
who should pay??
as it is right now, I will tell ya something, come springtime next year, I will be making some changes in my lifestyle to ensure that these idiots aren't using as much of my money to pay it unless something drastic is done to stop the madness that is DC!!

Originally posted by IceColdPro


This article is the biggest piece of BS i've read all day,

Really? I think you'll find this piece is much bigger. *CLicK*

straight from the mouth of Faux news. It is a desperate attempt at keeping your above argument going. Just because "an unnamed Democrat" said that it was $120 doesn't make it true or credible.

How about Obama himself sherlock, in his silly informercial where he describes a completely NEW number in addition to his Marxist agenda

If you believe that article from the MSM, then I think you are posting in the wrong place.

Well,, then THINK AGAIN

Did Obama or Biden say it was $120k? No. Did named member of the campaign? No.

Yes and Yes

Obama defines it at $250k, it never changed. McCain is the one who was flip-flopping on his tax scheme: ...and that is coming straight from the horses mouth.

Forget the horses mouth, just go here and get it straight from the jack asses mouth
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by MAINTAL

Did Obama or Biden say it was $120k? No. Did named member of the campaign? No.

Yes and Yes

proof please since u have all the facts.

george W bush a so called "compassionate conservative " has grown our government unlike any other president. that isnt being conservative is it?

under his rule the trillion dollar "corporate bailout" bill was passed. is this not socialism?
did john mccain sign this bill?

complaining or saying obama is a socialist is somewhat hypocritical.

this is a question of trickle down or trickle up economics. it has been proven that trickle down economics is not a solution. the usa has fallen farther in debt by a long shot under a conservative. the gdp is negative now , under a conservative. the usa has been in, and officially entered a recession, under a conservative. wallstreet is tanking , under a conservative. the dollar has tanked under a conservative. the economy is dying, under a conservative.

what kind of crappy government do you people actually support? the man you "conservatives " have put into office has ruined this country.

its selfish to destroy the usa for the profits of the rich.




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Originally posted by skyshow
you folks go on and on here about this stupid tax bracket thing that perhaps 90% of you won't even be effected by anyway once Barack Obama takes over. Even if you do make hundreds of thousands per year and have to pay some tax; guess what, you are paying your share for reaping the rewards from society and off the back of the workers which is all the rest of us. Since 1978, the upper 1% in this country (usa) have enjoyed some 11 trillion dollars in tax cuts with Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II....that money didn't trickle down, it whent off shore!!!

Wake the f*(# up folks! Even Warren Buffet says the rich don't pay enough. Quit blaming the Democrat who will actually lower your taxes...we have to pay back the debt that Bush ran up...one way or the other...why not tax the ones who benifited the most from the runaway nut in office?

Get your facts straight guy, Bush doesn't hold the purse strings Congress does and who controls that? Democrats where people like barney clark and Barack Obama encouraged fannie mae and freddie mac make more stupid decisions while accepting the second highest contributions from same. Obama voted against Bush and McCains 2005 propoasal to tighten up the GSEs'. One more thing, the top 1% income earning Americans paid more in collected taxes than the bottom 90% and THAT is why they get a tax break because THEY PAY MORE than their fair share. Much More.

You think Obama is goign to fix the economy ? Take a look at what he has done to Illinois. 44 Billion in the hole.

Originally posted by MAINTAL


Get your facts straight guy, Bush doesn't hold the purse strings Congress does and who controls that?

congess doesnt pass a budget without the potus signature. anyways, the senate is 50/50. who controls the senate? neither!

Originally posted by elitegamer23

proof please since u have all the facts.

Read the Post and you'll see the link provided to the Obama Commercial

george W bush a so called "compassionate conservative " has grown our government unlike any other president. that isnt being conservative is it?

I never said Bush was a conservative. Bush is a liberal, everyone knows that.

under his rule the trillion dollar "corporate bailout" bill was passed. is this not socialism?

Yes and is why Obama worked so hard to assist Fannie and freddie go down into collapse.

did john mccain sign this bill?

Yes but not until AFTER rejecting the Bill Obama wanted passed where Acorn got 20% of the bailout money.

complaining or saying obama is a socialist is somewhat hypocritical.

Not when it's done under duress

this is a question of trickle down or trickle up economics. it has been proven that trickle down economics is not a solution. the usa has fallen farther in debt by a long shot under a conservative. the gdp is negative now , under a conservative. the usa has been in, and officially entered a recession, under a conservative. wallstreet is tanking , under a conservative. the dollar has tanked under a conservative. the economy is dying, under a conservative.

The President doesn't have anything to do with any of that and again Bush tried 17 times to get the democrats to shore up the GSE's and it was the DEMOCRATS the rejected the idea. The logical fallacy of guilt by association doesn't fly here guy.

what kind of crappy government do you people actually support? the man you "conservatives " have put into office has ruined this country.

Almost! But don't worry, Obama will be sure to put the final nail in the Coffin

its selfish to destroy the usa for the profits of the rich.

I don't have a problem with anyone making a profit, rich or poor and if you can't turn a buck, that isn't the Rich peoples problem nor is it mine

Originally posted by elitegamer23

Originally posted by MAINTAL


Get your facts straight guy, Bush doesn't hold the purse strings Congress does and who controls that?

congess doesnt pass a budget without the potus signature. anyways, the senate is 50/50. who controls the senate? neither!

Yeah so? You said it yourself CONGRESS doesn't get a Budget passed without the Presidents signature. So what you're saying is the president shouldn't have signed that idiotic budget the democrats wrote.

I agree.

senate is 50/50. who controls the senate? neither

The House and Senate is controlled by the Democrats or have you forgotten the "thumpin" last election

Originally posted by MAINTAL

Originally posted by elitegamer23
proof please since u have all the facts.

Read the Post and you'll see the link provided to the Obama Commercial

i watched the commercial. it said 200 k , not 120k. still waiting for your facts sir.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

george W bush a so called "compassionate conservative " has grown our government unlike any other president. that isnt being conservative is it?

I never said Bush was a conservative. Bush is a liberal, everyone knows that.

bush ran as a conservative , and was elected by conservatives. you are the first person i have ever heard state bush is a liberal.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

under his rule the trillion dollar "corporate bailout" bill was passed. is this not socialism?

Yes and is why Obama worked so hard to assist Fannie and freddie go down into collapse.

john mccain stopped his campaign to help with the bailout package. why spew vomit about obama but ignore the other side?

Originally posted by MAINTAL

did john mccain sign this bill?

Yes but not until AFTER rejecting the Bill Obama wanted passed where Acorn got 20% of the bailout money.

proof please since u have all the facts. i know u have ignored my request for proof already so i expect none.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

complaining or saying obama is a socialist is somewhat hypocritical.

Not when it's done under duress

needs more explaination and u didnt disprove anything.

Originally posted by MAINTAL
The President doesn't have anything to do with any of that and again Bush tried 17 times to get the democrats to shore up the GSE's and it was the DEMOCRATS the rejected the idea. The logical fallacy of guilt by association doesn't fly here guy.

yeah george W had nothing to do with the direction of the country the last 8 years. its not like he is the leader of the united states. do u really believe what u say? i realize guilt by association only works for you when its anti-obama.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

what kind of crappy government do you people actually support? the man you "conservatives " have put into office has ruined this country.

Almost! But don't worry, Obama will be sure to put the final nail in the Coffin

im sure u blame obama for 9/11 as well.
so its not selfish and its ok to ruin and destroy the hope and dreams of the usa , for the sake of another billion.
you make me proud to be an american. yes that was an attempt at sarcasm.

at least u admit obama is going to win. i was beginging to question your sanity.

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[edit on 1-11-2008 by elitegamer23]

reply to post by MAINTAL

Originally posted by MAINTAL

senate is 50/50. who controls the senate? neither

The House and Senate is controlled by the Democrats or have you forgotten the "thumpin" last election

let me check what happened last time. 49 dem, 49 gop, 2 indie and its safe to say liberman is with the gop/mccain.

what is your deffinition of a thumpin? are you just here to argue the color of the sky?



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reply to post by FlyersFan


Someone already pointed it out, but that article is complete garbage. Obama has been very consistent on the $250,000 mark. He has advertisements even up to this day, and they STILL say $250,000. So obviously he hasn't changed his perspective.

reply to post by MAINTAL


... he just said anyone who makes $200,000 or less will get a tax cut in that add. Sounds exactly the same to me.

reply to post by elitegamer23


There was a bit of a "thumpin'" last election, but that is only because the house and senate were controlled by republicans. Now, both the house and senate, are almost exactly even.

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Obama scares the hell out of me, not only for his tax plan but his gun grabbing mentality and his minions who are raving lunatics.
Can you say mass hysteria!
Also there's a good chance he names NJ Gov Jon Corzine to a cabinet position, probaby a finance position. You dont want that! Corzine is a NWO former Goldman Sachs pig who taxes, taxes, taxes! Get ready for a tax on everything!

Originally posted by MAINTAL
Yeah so? You said it yourself CONGRESS doesn't get a Budget passed without the Presidents signature. So what you're saying is the president shouldn't have signed that idiotic budget the democrats wrote.

Wow. Just wow. How can someone misrepresent the facts any worse?

Tell me you just heard your mom say that and you aren't actually allowed to cast a ballot this year.

I actually watched the LIVE feed of his speech when he said the "selfish" comment. My eyes bugged out when he said it. People at the rally were just smiling and clapping and "woohoo". I was literally shocked he said that. So blunt and arrogant.

WAKE UP!!!!

This guy thinks that if you don't like to see your money going to someone who doesn't pay taxes you are selfish. W T F

Oh, and in the same speech the "wealthy" limit was 250K again, not 200K like in his ooey-gooey Obama-Info-Ad. Again, I watched it live and heard it with my own ears. So less than 24hrs later it floated $50K.

So what is it Barry Hussein??

I don't mind getting taxed more! As bill-paying middle class people fall into poverty (which could and may happen to us next year when our government declares itself unable to pay it's debt and the whole country shuts down) I know that their going to need help. What's hilarious is that we're all going to be taxed so much more!! We have to pay for the bail out package! Between a falling dollar value (it's rise in value is temporary), increased taxation, and hyperinflation (which is on it's way) we'll all be taken to the bank! We're so busy attacking each other that no one sees the greater tidal wave about to hit all of us regardless of party affiliation. We're so busy attacking the other party that we have no room to turn to our government and hold them accountable (both Democrats and Republicans) for crimes that they have committed. No one is angry at our government...and this is just the way they would have it. They stir the pot, encourage tensions so that we are distracted from the real truth. Our political system sucks. Our politicians (left and right) are owned by special interests now and that's why nothing gets done and won't get done because politicians have lined their pockets and are indebted to corporate interests--not to the American people. That's an old concept of America which died a long time ago!

Originally posted by elitegamer23

i watched the commercial. it said 200 k , not 120k. still waiting for your facts sir.

Cute little strawman but I have been at this far too long to be fooled by silly equivocations like you just attempted. Yeah it said $200,000 and not $120,000 and ya know what else it didn't say?

THE ORIGINAL $250,000 Obama's said in his first plan and Oh By the way Biden has now used an even lower figure.

bush ran as a conservative , and was elected by conservatives. you are the first person i have ever heard state bush is a liberal.

I don't care what he ran as, BUSH has had one mission leading a double life as a Skull and Bones agent Provacateur playing the most asinine role as a Christian he could muster in addition to being the most liberal of the most liberal democrats much less Republicans. This would usher in the new change that would have a media and voters base so against Christianity and the Republican party, it wouldn't stand a chance of sucess

Just because YOU have never heard Bush called a liberal doesn't mean it isn't true. Try Researching for a change

john mccain stopped his campaign to help with the bailout package. why spew vomit about obama but ignore the other side?

I'm sorry? was there something vomitous about what McCain did?
As for Obama, he should make anyone who understands what he is about, convulse in a long session of projectile vomiting because he hates everything America Stands for

proof please since u have all the facts. i know u have ignored my request for proof already so i expect none.

I haven't only NOT ignored your requests for proof , the FACT is, you never had to request them in the first place as I have offered Video, news and press references to substantiate everyone of my refutations and assertions. So again, I will bury you with the facts on this claim also since you are too lazy to google them yourself but I must admit, I am starting to feel like I am beating up on you here anymore when you insist on having me embarrass you with the facts and in the case of Acorn getting earmarks in the original Bill that failed, the facts are UNDENIABLE

ACORN/CSI:
An August 22, 2008 article in the Pittsburgh Tribune Review reports that Obama had to ammend his report to reflect the donation to CSI. The fact remains that Barack Obama donated money to an organization known for committing voter fraud. The article states:

A Trib analysis of campaign finance reports showed Obama paid CSI for services that stood out as unusual. For example, CSI received payments of $63,000 and $75,000 for advance work. Excluding the large payments to CSI, the average amount the Obama campaign spent with other organizations was $558.82 per check on more than 1,200 entries classified as advance work.

Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN's national headquarters in New Orleans. Citizens Services was established in December 2004 to "assist persons and organizations who advance the interests of low- and moderate-income people," according to paperwork filed in Louisiana. In a 2006 ACORN publication, Citizen Services Inc. is described as "ACORN's campaign services entity."

When Obama was a "community organizer" he donated his legal services to these people. The original BAIL OUT bill contained millions for ACORN! When the Republicans objected, the earmark was removed.

trustbutverify.wordpress.com...

In the case of WHO it was that put the brakes on this pork laden bill, it was none other than John McCain. He seems to be the only one who gives a damn while Obama tried to sneak even more funding to his Acorn by slipping in this earmark.

John McCain expressed outrage over earmarks in the Senate bailout package, a bill he voted for Wednesday night.

"It's insanity, and it's obscenity because it's a waste of taxpayers' dollars, and it goes on," McCain said on MSNBC.

"And until we stop it, until we get, frankly, a president who will say I'm going to veto those bills, I'm going to make the people famous that put them on there, famous — and by the way, Joe, you know that this problem has grown and grown and grown," McCain added. "There's a sharp difference, a total difference between myself and President Bush on the issue of pork barrel and earmarks and out-of-control spending and the growth of government without paying for it. Don't forget that part."

The bill includes tax breaks for rum producers in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands as well as producers of wooden arrows used for children's toys.

Asked why he voted for the bill, which passed 74-25, if it was "insanity," McCain said he did it because the country is on the "brink of economic disaster."

Defending his vote, the Arizona senator pointed to the "plenty of other bills that I fought against."

"I voted against the Medicare prescription drug program," McCain declared. "If you look at the Citizens for a Sound Economy, the National Taxpayers Union, the Citizens Against Government Waste, I have been a hero to them because I have fought continuously, continuously against these."

"I fought the leadership of my party and I have had success," the Arizona senator added. "I saved the taxpayers $6.8 billion on a tanker deal that was going to cost the taxpayers that much because of this cozy deal. It ended up with people in jail."

McCain then attacked Barack Obama, who he said "has never stood up to the leadership of his party on any issue. Not a one."



www.politico.com...

If you don't understand what duress means,, LOOK IT UP!


www.google.com...,WZPA:2008-40,WZPA:en&defl=en&q=defineuress&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

yeah george W had nothing to do with the direction of the country the last 8 years. its not like he is the leader of the united states. do u really believe what u say?

Do you even KNOW what I said? Of course not and Ill tell you why I know that. Because you have been so careless to miss links to proof, mis represented my statments and now you have even started putting words in my mouth saying the following:

im sure u blame obama for 9/11 as well.

You are sure of that are you? What makes you so sure? please share with us what gives you the unmittigated audacity so suggest such a thing. Then please tell me where you get off assuming I DID says words that effect by actually answering your own supposition as if it was something I did in fact say when I didn't.

See Below:

so its not selfish and its ok to ruin and destroy the hope and dreams of the usa , for the sake of another billion.

Care to show the quote where I indicated ANYTHING REMOTELY like that. Or do you just start making things up for the opposing view when you can't win an argument using facts, and honesty.

Why are you being so dishonest?




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Originally posted by Sublime620

Originally posted by MAINTAL
Yeah so? You said it yourself CONGRESS doesn't get a Budget passed without the Presidents signature. So what you're saying is the president shouldn't have signed that idiotic budget the democrats wrote.

Wow. Just wow. How can someone misrepresent the facts any worse?

Tell me you just heard your mom say that and you aren't actually allowed to cast a ballot this year.

Care to show me what part of that isn't true sublime?

reply to post by nyk537


Dear Dumbama,

I wouldn't need to be 'selfish' with MY earned money if you jackasses in Congress didn't spend RIDICULOUS amounts of money. I have a suggestion..

GET YOUR SELFISH SPENDING SPREES UNDER CONTROL!!!!!!

Thanks,

NOTurTypical

P.S. I didn't really mean the "thanks" part.

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
So not wanting to pay exorbitant amounts of money to the government because they don't know how to be fiscally responsible is 'selfish'?

He definitely didn't lie about not being a socialist he is one more step beyond that. I hope this guy doesn't get elected I don't think these people have a clue how much worse that it can actually get.

Yeah, I mean.... Look at Sweden.... Those comunist bastards with their nearly 50% tax rate. With their clean blue subways, neatly maintained roads, and everybody in the middle class living like the upper middle class here in the US, driving around in high end BMW's, SAABS and Volvos. Did you know Sweden even taxes your TV? They have TV police that walks into your house and checks if you have one.

So, wow come they manage to have such a high standard of living....?

Or consider France, similar tax system, where a single mother can afford a domestic worker to watch out for her kids and help out. I am sure many "would be super rich people" are so angry that instead of living in a castle, they merely have to live in a mansion.

A quarter million dollars a year is not "HARD EARNED" money, is money earned from a desk and behind a telephone by using leverage to get actual hard work out of others.

Hard earned money is the 60K a year earned in construction or the 70K a year earned in actual plumbing.

I wonder if all those people decrying higher taxes (which obama will not bring for the middle class) have ever left their home town or read about other countries. Heck, at least watch the travel channel!

-rrr

I'll tell you what - my father works his A$$ OFF to make his "wealthy" income (I have my own college educated 50K plus job thank you) . No one helped him through school - he came from NOTHING. He and my mom raised me and my brother and we even had to pull food stamps, but by god he had a job and so did she, and he finished school with straight A's. He worked his way through the ranks over many many years to get where he is at now. He does NOT "earn from a desk and behind a telephone by using leverage to get actual hard work out of others." I'd like to see you spew that garbage to his face. He earns EVERY penny. Ever seen the taxes you already have to pay at that level?? It is disgusting - and those are the glorious "Bush Taxes" that are "too low".

"Rich" is NOT even close to the $200K level.

Oh, and your precious little sweden - sounds like the biggest nanny-state ever. TV police?? You like that??

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he is absolutely right. If you don't want to give people the same chance you had to be successful then you are being selfish.

To You the Riches:


So you are "working so hard" earning 250k+ a year? Why dont you tell us why kind of trade you are in , because for this amount of profit it must be a very profitable business and you must be living very comfortably.

Compare this to the guy working in a factory, breaking his back and health to make a 10th of what you are making. He is struggling to buy the products you make. Or maybe you are his employer, and you refuse to raise his wages and treat him like a slave?

People can twist it anyway they want, they are making a lot of money and refuse to help others.

Are you Christian btw? Or your only God is Money?



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