Calling All Pisces - Can You Help Me?

reply to post by Grock


Pisces here- Feb 29. I would have to say that myself and my husband, Feb 23, fit the "typical" pisces description to a great degree. If you reguire a percentage estimate I would have to say about 90-95%. Hope that helps.

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by seagrass

 

But you can measure the effects of magnetism and of gravity, you can't even detect the things you say effect each individual in completely different ways with astrology. Run two horoscopes for the same location and date but just change the time by 12 hours or so, do you mean to tell me that there is some meaningful way the planets really effect my whole life with those 12 hours of seperation? What if my birth actually took 16 hours to happen? Wouldn't the planets be working their magic on me the whole time? Why would only that one piece of time/space determine so much of my lifestyle?


I know I won't convince you, I'm not really trying. I am just showing and your are conceding that there is no physical proof of what astrology attempts to explain. You can have your belief, I have mine.

It has been measured. Over time. Over time the same scenarios, and "coincidences" have occurred and they were recorded. In time the ancients began to predict with certain accuracy the probability that certain things would again occur. In that way you can measure it. And yes, the 12 hours would make a difference. My birth of my daughter took 56 hours, but her birth moment did not change. I did not pick that hour and time, she did. In Astrological thinking the soul does not enter this world until birth, and for some reason the ancients chose the moment of birth as the deciding factor, and that is where you may argue with me because I have questions about that too. The United States Birth Chart is July 4th, 1776, and she is a Cancer Sun. They do charts on events, and there is not always a birth time, just a date. You would be very very similar to someone born the same day as you. Especially in the same year and such. But within a different year the two birth dates could be very different with different Mercury and Venus and Moon and Risings.

Two people born in the same hospital at the same time would Astrologically speaking, be very similar. Or at least have the potential to be very similar. You separate them and raise them in different homes with different parents and of course they meet many years later and have coffee together and they have many similar stories but different situations that led to them. I bet it would be an interesting conversation to say the least.

reply to post by seagrass


Don't take my non belief in Astrology as anything directed toward you, I assure you it's not. I just tend to think that Astrology is just one of those "belive the parts that you agree with" kind of things. We all tend to find things that we can relate to in things, I think Zodiac signs are typical of this kind of behavior.

Do the Various systems of Astrology around the world seem to jive? By that does for example the Western and Chinese signs for the same months have the same traits? If they are only good for the area in which they are developed, then why would Western Astrology or Chinese even apply to the Western Hemisphere? Are the signs reversed in the Southern Hemisphere? I would tend to think they should be, given the different alignment of the Earth?

Just curious questions.

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by seagrass

 

Don't take my non belief in Astrology as anything directed toward you, I assure you it's not. I just tend to think that Astrology is just one of those "belive the parts that you agree with" kind of things. We all tend to find things that we can relate to in things, I think Zodiac signs are typical of this kind of behavior.

Do the Various systems of Astrology around the world seem to jive? By that does for example the Western and Chinese signs for the same months have the same traits? If they are only good for the area in which they are developed, then why would Western Astrology or Chinese even apply to the Western Hemisphere? Are the signs reversed in the Southern Hemisphere? I would tend to think they should be, given the different alignment of the Earth?

Just curious questions.

I don't Pavil. I have dealt with astrological skeptics my whole life. I enjoy your questions. I agree, we take what we want from things like this. I just have a bone to pick with typical "horoscope" comments and wish to educate the public on the difference between Astrology and the pop culture newspaper version. The various types have their merits. Years, as in Chinese Astrology, would relate more to the slower planets like Uranus and Neptune which are more generational in nature, although I believe they use a more cyclic theroy to describe the years. The Chinese developed their own astrology, and the Western version is certainly not "Western" in any respect. It's much older than that. The horizon is reversed and latitude and longitude are used in all charts to map the sky. The Ephemeris is used by both Astrologers and Astronomers, as the planets are predicted to be in certain places well into the future and can be traced well into the past based on their mathmatical movements. There are typically/statistically more people born under a Virgo Rising in the Northern, while Pisces Risings are more common in the Southern. I would probably be more at home in the Southern Hemisphere because I am a Pisces Rising. I would find more like me there.

I'm a pisces, born March 19th. The description is about 70% accurate. I'm interested in Buddhism, I'm also an artist, day dreamer, truth seeker, very spiritual and open minded. However I definitely wouldn't call myself popular, as I'm more of a loner and black sheep of the family. I find it hard to relate to most people, mainly because I'm not driven by my ego and I couldn't careless about wealth, success or fame. I hate celebs and the worship of them. I just can't see what all the fuss is about. I'd be more than happy if I was living on a exotic tropical island all by myself. Now that would be paradise.

I don't really know what to make of astrology. I'm not really comfortable with the idea, that all our lives are somehow predetermined. I just can't see the point of existence if that were the case. I subscribe to the philosophy that we are the sum of our thoughts, what you think is what you are.

Originally posted by kindred
I'm a pisces, born March 19th. The description is about 70% accurate. I'm interested in Buddhism, I'm also an artist, day dreamer, truth seeker, very spiritual and open minded. However I definitely wouldn't call myself popular, as I'm more of a loner and black sheep of the family. I find it hard to relate to most people, mainly because I'm not driven by my ego and I couldn't careless about wealth, success or fame. I hate celebs and the worship of them.

I just can't see what all the fuss is about. I'd be more than happy if I was living on a exotic tropical island all by myself. Now that would be paradise.

I don't really know what to make of astrology. I'm not really comfortable with the idea, that all our lives are somehow predetermined. I just can't see the point of existence if that were the case. I subscribe to the philosophy that we are the sum of our thoughts, what you think is what you are.

check to see how many planets you have in the "loner, unconventional" sign of Aquarius. It may be diluting the Pisces Sun.

Well I'm not into astrology, so I don't have a clue what you mean. Could you be more specific. You say that two people born at the same time would more than likely be the same. So what about twins. I knew some identical twins at school who were completely different personality wise and they lived and grew up together.

Ok so I was born on Feb 18th and my dad was born Feb 19th. In most astrology books I am Aquarius, but other ones I am Pisces. I tend to exhibit both traits and really depends on situation/time of year/moods. I've never been sure what this all means....

And to the OP(Grock) - u said u were born in Eureka? I lived in Arcata, McK, and other places up there but never Eureka. I heard there is spent uranium in that town and that has effected people from there. Do you know about this rumour?


[edit on 25-10-2008 by nuffsaid420]

Originally posted by kindred
Well I'm not into astrology, so I don't have a clue what you mean. Could you be more specific. You say that two people born at the same time would more than likely be the same. So what about twins. I knew some identical twins at school who were completely different personality wise and they lived and grew up together.

Astrologically speaking they would be quite similar. If not identical. They would have the same planets in the same sign and the rising would most likely be the same as well. The moon would be in a different degree, and could in some cases be in a different sign, but that would be rare. The moon goes through all twelve signs in a month. The rising in all twelve signs in a day. The sun in all twelve in a year. The twins may have been very similar in the beginning, but with time developed different expressions of the same energy. Something I like to call good cop, bad cop. One could have been the outgoing Leo who loves the spotlight, one can be the quiet one that wants it, but doesn't let you know that. Many psychological things can happen to twins. Wanting to be different is one of them. Perhaps they wanted some individuality from each other and so chose different ways to express the same energies. Someone who enjoys wine can become an drunk, while the other a collector or wine maker. That is a matter of the souls choosing. Like I said before, astrology points out possible energies. Potentials from those energies. It never states a fact. It never says "this will happen". It says "this may occur, or this". It is never absolute. But oftentimes "this did occur", and "yep, I am like that".

There is also the fascinating situation of twins raised apart who are very similar in personality, even in the same field of work, similar gestures, choices in hair and clothing, and personality traits. Raised apart with different parents and environments, they are still making similar choices. I am fascinated by genetics and twins. I have known both maternal and fraternal twins. Fraternal being the most different. Which seems to be a genetic factor more than astrological. Maternal twins (identical) are the most interesting. I knew some girls who were, and I probably made them nervous because I was always studying them. Watching. I don't know what I was waiting for, but it was like a show you can't stop watching. I would go from one to the other, comparing the similarities. I always wanted a twin. I think it would be a nice feeling to know there is another person out there just like you. Validating. Of course, I was the only girl in my family and I wasn't like the rest of them, so that may be why it seems attractive. To have had a constant ally.

Yeah im definately the dreamer type as well. To answer a few questions real quick-

Yes there is an old Nuclear Plant in Eureka that was shut down some time in the 70's i believe, unsure about the uranium or effects on the environment though.

And Pavil, are you a pisces?

Thank you all for the submissions, you have all been very helpful and I appreciate you taking the time

Hey, from Oregon Grock! Me too. I even have a thread for us Oregonians, check it out sometime...
Glad we could help you.

OK so just for shiggles, this would be the current list:

Grock
danj3ris
Hellmutt
AmethystWolf
pluckynoonez
shoeshiner
pavil
lee anoma
4N6310
seagrass
craic.n.up
GirlNextDoor
KATSUO
keeb333
stikkinikki
dreams n chains
dizziedame
Crakeur
Helioflorae
serenecalamityz
constantlyseeking
kindred
nuffsaid420

others may have posted but didnt actually say if they were pisces or not, again fellow fish I appreciate your input

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Grock]

Im on the cusp with feb 19th. Most of the time I find myself being just as described in your links and in many books. I'm very much a dreamer and sometimes get lost in the clouds. I also am very manipulative with people although its in a non hostile way and I have found I do it to get them to do what ever I think is best for them ( good and bad trait to have). Some people would call this a magnetic personality but I think its pretty much just manipulation

I find it odd that you can find out so much about a person from their sign, but most of the time it seems to hold true. My wife is a Scorpio ( horrible sign for me to marry I have been told). She fits the description to a T and is definitely the person that pulls my head out of the clouds.

It would be interesting for you to update the main post of your thread when your done with your experiment and conclude your theory.

reply to post by whoshotJR


I too am on the cusp. So is my nephew and two other aquaintences I share my birthday with...

I like to think of it like the Milky Way Galaxy.
Now at the end of the Age of Pisces we are soon entering the Age of Aquarius.

Therefor, we "cuspers"
(and I know there is an exact moment of a cusp technically, but spiritualistic beliefs and personality seems not to be a factor should one sway either way within the few hours that may contradict being on the cusp)
are the embodiment of both ages. We are connected to both ages in a way that non-cuspers will never understand in this life.

I have found that there are traits which seem to be common amoungst those of us I know personally. Here are some of mine.

I have the patience of Job.

I have a majestic wisdom and the ability to delegate, settle disputes and make decisions in a just and fair manner, equal to that of King Solomon.

I have a heightened 6th sense compared to those around me.

I have, as a built in part of my being, the ability to empathise and actually understand the inner conciousness of others and can interpret through spiritual revelation the "goings on" within another's psyche, personality, demeanor, and inflection ofthe spoken word and body language.

I have, throughout my life, revelations due to smells, sounds, terrain and location as if current time has been experience before and find events to unfold in perfect Synchronism with what I anticipate is to happen and what inevitably comes to pass. Usually the revelation and the unfolding reality are completely occurse.

I am left handed...
From ATS thread authored by NLDelta9 (OP)
www.abovetopsecret.com...
From source thread;

Left handers = smarter people

I have an artistic nature regarding fine arts, music, poetry, foods, beverages, clothes, and the way I envision most usual daily phenomena is through my mind's eye.

I am gifted with many extraordinary abilities including proficiency in my work and as an artist.

I am aware that while there is social intercourse between humans, The technology used to communicate, sparks fervor rather than inclination, which, regarding work and ethics, is not unlike Religion, where once again I am at home with the subject.

I am not one to anger quickly, but, when enraged, I can control it through simple meditation.

I have many more traits, but I try and shut them out and learn as does the human male ear when trying to shut out the gawd-awful hen clacking sounds of human females engaging in group vocal mayhem, by limiting these "Going Postal" frequencies that can cause sufferage within the body.", using only my mind.

Custers Unite in dreams durring the winter Solcise.







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This is true to some extent in Astrology. By looking at your chart, or by being on a cusp, you will see what degree your sun is in. For instance my Sun is in 20 degrees Cancer. But my Pisces Rising is at 25. The degree references the "stage" at which the planet is in. there are 30 degrees in a sign. To be at 29 degrees ( or on the cusp) would put you in the last stages of the sign, and evolving toward the next. Sort of like a graduation.

And so the reverse as well, with Feb cusp, you would be in the beginning stages of Pisces. Like a baby. The image is one of that anyway. Not saying you are a baby Pisces. But the energy would be one of just starting to be Pisces. And so it doesn't surprise me that you relate to the changing of ages.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by seagrass]

im pisces march 12th, and it kinda creeps me out how closely it describes me! pretty much 90% of the time it'sright but then again maybe we just don't know how we act so we can't tell if it's true or not?