Colin Powell Endorses Obama

reply to post by MAINTAL


And if they don't follow orders from Rumsfeld they'll be court martialed and thrown in jail for refusing to follow orders. So the Republicans order torture, orders followed, orders caught, and the Republicans get away with it because the troops are nothing to them. The troops are pieces of meat for them to use for Halliburton profits and an oil grab. What do they care if the troops, following their orders, get in trouble?

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
Hey maintal,

Reading Aptitude! It's not just for SAT's anymore!

I agree and it is indicative your low scores in that regard as you again have contradicted yourself and continue to use grand descriptions and embellishments not citing a single source to substantiate a single one of your assertions.

Yes I did mean what I typed.

I don't think you even know what you typed much less mean any of it.

EXAMPLE: In your first post you used the word Aristocracy and when I asked who they are, you had no answer other than to change the name to "pseudo" aristocracy" which would mean it isn't an aristocracy at all but merely a facade of sorts and one you have yet offered a single name as to its charter members.

Then you altered your description of the 99% yet say you mean what you typed. I would suggest trying to mean what you say and correct the inconsistent meanings you typed to match. In your first post you said it was the "Top" 99% that were not pawns and now say the Bottom 99% are pawns. Just where does the line of demarcation going from middle 99% to top 99% begin? Conversley where do we start recognizing the gradation going from middle 99% to Bottom 99%?

You may want to take your own advice about the reading as the most accurate way to say this is as I suggested before, the top 1% income earners but you thought it wiser to employ sarcasm and innuendo suggesting I am not reading very well.

Yes that would be HALF right as I am not understanding what I read from you, because it is simply poorly written and doesn't make sense

Surprise people are beginning to figure this out and are electing someone who is aware of this too and wants to help america cure it's self of this affliction.

I see, and that someone would be the person known as "The One" ?

Powell is NOT voting for Obama because he's black. look deeper.

Do you think their is something wrong with Voting for Obama because he is black? I would like to know the reasons Powel IS voting for him because when you say look deeper? When it comes to Obama, their isn't a hell of a lot there, so I doubt Powel looked any deeper then

SKIN DEEP

Originally posted by GamerGal


And if they don't follow orders from Rumsfeld they'll be court martialed and thrown in jail for refusing to follow orders. So the Republicans order torture, orders followed, orders caught, and the Republicans get away with it because the troops are nothing to them. The troops are pieces of meat for them to use for Halliburton profits and an oil grab. What do they care if the troops, following their orders, get in trouble?

No you are NOT a Judge so don't assume you know what you are talking about during a military tribunal. If they don't follow LAWFULL orders they may be found guilty. Just because Rummy says hey you guys I order you to start killing all the civilian woman and children in Iraq, and you follow those orders, you WILL get in trouble because you followed them if in fact anyone is dumb enough to follow orders that are not enforceable by military regs

reply to post by MAINTAL


And if the head of the military orders you to do something and you don't do it you go to jail after being court martialed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. All because the GOP doesn't care about the troops. McCain already voted NO on troop funding because it had a timeline to end the crimes in Iraq. He doesn't care, Bush doesn't care, they only care for Halliburton profits and Exxon Mobile profits.

reply to post by FlyersFan


That's right. Keep up the personal attacks and avoid reason.

With all of the White members of the conservative and Republican media and party who have endorsed Obama, it has only become an issue of race for you, and the likes of Limbaugh, when Black members have done the same. Because, obviously, Black people are incapable of making reasoned choices with regards to other Black people and White people.

It seems you, and "others" who share your views, cannot comprehend how that is a racist stance. And that commentaries reflecting that stance are also racist.

Ignorance might be bliss elsewhere, but it assuredly is not on ATS.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by Areal51]

reply to post by hannamtong

Originally posted by hannamtong
" Please kill yourself for saying that powell or rice are endorsing obama because he is black! "
If only people like Rush Limbaugh were compassionate like you, everything would be OK.

Please kill yourself? How does that add to the debate? You owe FF an apology.

reply to post by jsobecky


FF, you and the others owe Colin Powel, Barack Obama, and every other African American an apology. If Powel is only voting for Obama because of his race then I guess it's safe to assume that the only reason you vote for McCain is because of your race. Which makes you ignorant.

How's this? "26 Papers That Backed Bush in 2004 Move to Obama "

BARACK OBAMA (26)

CALIFORNIA
Long Beach Press Telegram (B): 85,595
Pasadena Star-News (B): 27,894
San Gabriel Valley Tribune (B): 40,051
The (Stockton) Record (B): 57,486
San Bernardino Sun (B): 54,315
Tri-Valley Herald (B): 29,759

COLORADO
The Denver Post (B): 225,193

CONNECTICUT
New Haven Register (B): 72,613

FLORIDA
Naples Daily-News (B): 66,272

ILLINOIS
Chicago Tribune (B): 541,663

INDIANA
Palladium-Item (Richmond) (B): 15,453

IOWA
Mason City Globe Gazette (B): 17,666

NEW JERSEY
Asbury Park Press (Neptune) (B): 140,882

NEW MEXICO
Las Cruces Sun-News (B): 21,341

NEW YORK
Daily News (B): 703,137

OHIO
Hamilton Journal-News (B): 19,432
The Repository (Canton) (B): 65,789
The Times-Reporter (New Philadelphia) (B): 22,428

OREGON
Yamhill Valley News-Register (McMinnville) (B): 10,921

PENNSYLVANIA
The Express-Times (Easton) (B): 44,561

TEXAS
Austin American-Statesman (B): 170,309
Houston Chronicle (B): 494,131

UTAH
The Salt Lake Tribune (B): 121,699

WASHINGTON
The Columbian (B): 44,623
Yakima Herald-Republic (B): 38,077

WISCONSIN
Wisconsin State Journal (Madison) (B): 87,930

www.editorandpublisher.com...

I suppose all of those newspapers backed Obama because he's Black, too?

reply to post by Areal51


Or that WHITE Republican who was fired for endorsing Obama? He was on the TV last night. Life long Republican, working for his father's newspaper, FIRED! For backing Barack Obama.

reply to post by GamerGal


Actually Christopher Buckley... whom you are referring to resigned of his own volition, he was not fired.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

Originally posted by maybereal11

A 12 year old ARCHIVE of a BLOG for the "New Party"? This is what you have? The record shows him registered as DEMOCRAT.

If you want to propagate new unfounded irrelevant attacks, go ahead...it's working great for John McCain so far...start a new thread rather than derail this one.

www.dailykos.com...

First, I don't give rats rear end how old it is mayberry, the challenge to offer proof of Obama's Socialist views SUGGESTED in the first post on this page were granted moreover they ARE proven a FACT.

As for your *Block Buster* news Obama is registered as a democrat is like saying their are no Atheist Republicans or Socialist Democrats ......

OBAMA prefers our Government be one of Socialism from the many quotes he has borrowed for using in his speeches from Communist Author....

I grew up 6 blocks from wrigley field and have seen all kinds of crooked politicians come and go. ...

Colin Powels racial Bias to support a Black candidate ...

Where to start?...First the name isn't "Mayberry" ..but from your posting it is apparant that you are challenged when it comes to accuracy, so I forgive the error.

You are aware that Democratic Socialism, Socialism and Communism are different things? Just like Muslims, Arabs and Islamic Extremist are all different things....despite the drivel that your right wing pundits have been feeding you. I would recommend forming your own opinions and doing your own research.

There is Zero proof that Obama was a member of the new Party 12 years ago beyond an Archive of a blog, yet you scream FACT.

I have learned on ATS anytime someone screams FACT without sufficient supporting evidence it is typically propaganda...but please keep at it....I genuinely believe it is folks like yourself that are costing McCain the election.

As far as the "across the street from Wrigley" yada yada....I have lived in Chicago since 1974 ...so I don't care what credibility you think that gives you is spotting corrupt politicians.

Colin Powell explained his reasons accurately and elouquently.

If it helps you sleep at night...go ahead and disregard his actual words and believe it was racially motivated. It is ofensive, ugly and entirely illogical, but I imagine it is only one of many falsehoods you must tell yourself to get through the day supporting John McCain as his erratic campaign alternates between the cards of Fear and Intolerance..The rational and the nonsensical..You are sitting on the virtual "straight talk express" with your candidate swerving down the highway at night with the lights off Best wishes and I hope you find your better, honest self after the election is over.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by maybereal11]

This is an interesting read on the whole matter:

www.foreignpolicy.com...

Colin Powell’s chief of staff shares some candid thoughts on why the former secretary of state endorsed Barack Obama—and how the next U.S. president can get America back on track.


Lifelong Republican Colin Powell surprised the audience of NBC’s Meet the Press this weekend with his endorsement of Barack Obama for president, calling the Illinois senator a “transformational figure” who could be an “exceptional president.” Citing a litany of complaints about John McCain’s campaign style and his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate, Powell said the Republican nominee “didn’t have a complete grasp” of the economic crisis facing the United States and was focusing instead on “issues that are not really central to the problems that the American people are worried about.”

Commentators have since rushed to ask what impact Powell’s words will have on the U.S. election, now just two weeks away. Foreign Policy’s Elizabeth Dickinson looked to one of Colin Powell’s closest confidants, Lawrence Wilkerson, for answers. A retired Army colonel, Wilkerson has been an associate of General Powell since 1989, following him through the Army and later to Foggy Bottom, where Wilkerson became then Secretary of State Powell’s chief of staff. Since leaving office, Wilkerson has been a harsh critic of the Bush administration’s foreign policy, telling ABC’s Tony Jones in 2006, “They’ve stolen my party and I would like my party back.”

Foreign Policy: Colin Powell endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama this weekend on Meet the Press. How significant was that move for General Powell, and was it something you expected?

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: I was stunned. I was ecstatic. I was thrilled, but I was stunned. I thought that he would come forward and make statements about the need to tamp down the hatred and the vitriol that seemed to be surrounding Senator McCain and Governor Palin’s rallies. And I thought he would use the opportunity to make his strong point about Muslims. I thought he would take the opportunity to reinforce that we need to restore America’s reputation and solve this financial crisis. But I didn’t think that he would endorse a particular candidate.

FP: What effect, if any, do you think this endorsement will have on General Powell’s relationship with the Republican Party?

LW: Well I think they’re already spinning it as a tribal thing: that he sided with a black man because he’s a black man, and that sort of thing. That’s of course preposterous; nothing would be further from his mind than color of skin and he stands as a testimony to that. So it’s a product of political spin. They’re getting desperate.
Click Here!

FP: What’s your take on the tone of the campaign?

LW: I was fully expecting the grand wizard of the Klu Klux Klan to arrive from Maryland and endorse McCain. I was becoming frightened that we were returning to 1968, when they assassinated Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. Those were bad times.

One of the most dramatic moments for me was when I was watching McCain on television, and I thought I saw in McCain’s eyes himself, when someone yelled something out, a recognition of, ‘Oh, God, what have I done?’ This is not McCain; he doesn’t cater to this. But for the first time in his political life, I think he realized that there are some strange people in the Republican tent. My father used to say, ‘Larry beware of the left because they will bankrupt you; beware of the right because they will kill you.’

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by MAINTAL

 

And if the head of the military orders you to do something and you don't do it you go to jail after being court martialed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. All because the GOP doesn't care about the troops. McCain already voted NO on troop funding because it had a timeline to end the crimes in Iraq. He doesn't care, Bush doesn't care, they only care for Halliburton profits and Exxon Mobile profits.

I really don't know why this seems so hard for you to understand, maybe if you would refrain from second guessing the entire legal process or maybe anytime someone gets charged with something we can just skip all the formality of actually having a trial because YOU know who is going to be found guilty and why. You claim McCain doesn't support the troops because he didn't want to pass the democrats version of a bill that would signal exactly when we would be leaving but has passed all the other bills to support them when they didn't exascerbate an already tense situation. That is the reason he didn't vote for that bill. The same reason he didn't support the first bailout bill Obama wanted passed because McCain didn't want to pass it with 20% of the bill going to ACORN.

Yeah check the record knowitall and you'll see that was the language written in it. Oh and by the way,, Obama voted no on money going to the troops also, but I see you conveniently left THAT one out of it.

While you keep blaming the GOP for everything from haliburton to why your dog crapped on the rug again, you fail to mention the Democratic controlled house and senate who have everything to do with what we are spending and where. This is the same bunch of Democrats that I was expecting to have backed up their rhetoric with tough talkin pelosi saying she and the rest of the democrats were going to have Bush out on his ear if we gave them the control. Well they have had control for some years now and I keep seeing them sign every check Bush hands them and if you are so against Haliburton, then what are the democrats going to DO about it? Ill tell you what. They will just whine and complain and blame Bush about it like they have been all along but they won't DO a damn thing because they don't KNOW a damn thing. It REALLY gets hilarious when the yare constantly talking about McCains negative ads but my question is,, what has McCain said about Obama that isn't true?

They claim he lied about Obama wanting to teach Kindergartners sex education but when we actually LOOK at the update to the bill (SB99), that is in FACT exactly what Obama was supporting in the Ill senate. When the Democrats say Obama was talking about teaching kids about child sex predators, and we actually READ the Bill, their is NO such language in the update ANYWHERE to be found, NONE!

When they say Obama is for infanticide and he says he voted against supporting a minimum healthcare for infants because Illinois already had legislation in place for such situation, and we actually LOOK at the bill in the illinois legislatuture, we see Obama has voted against THAT BILL TOO!

Not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!

Not only that but was the ONLY United States Senator to passionately argue AGAINST it!

How ANYONE can see this guy caring about you, about me, or even Joe the Plumber when he can turn his back on a baby that he suggests we just wrap in a cloth and leave in a dark dank broom closet for eight hours till it dies is incomprehensible! These are called Negative ads by McCain?

No I'm afraid what we have here is someone sending most of us who get it, who understand what he is attempting to convey is a PUBLIC SERVICE warning us just what kind of person Barack Obam is and it has NOTHING to do with Negative Ads but about GETTING A CLUE!

Obama is one huge Negative no way now how NOBAMA

Originally posted by maybereal11

Where to start?...First the name isn't "Mayberry" ..but from your posting it is apparant that you are challenged when it comes to accuracy, so I forgive the error.

Well thank you, Mayberry, I appreciate the lattitude for inaccuracy and will consider the same for yours.

This GUY is as UN AMERICAN as the Flag he refuses to wear and the refusal to gesture his pledge of his allegiance to, not putting his hand over his heart. You might say that is a small thing but THIS IS SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! This isn't Roseanne Barr singing the National Anthem in bad taste. THIS IS OUR NATION AT STAKE AT A TIME WHEN SOCIALISTS could usurp our country from the inside not spilling a drop of blood JUST LIKE THEY SAID THEY WOULD!

You are aware that Democratic Socialism, Socialism and Communism are different things? Just like Muslims, Arabs and Islamic Extremist are all different things....despite the drivel that your right wing pundits have been feeding you. I would recommend forming your own opinions and doing your own research.

Me do my own research? Read MY POST and you'll see links to referances as I have said twice now. You ever hear the axiom if it looks like a duck! If Obama wasn't part of this organization, YOU wouldn't be trying to diminish his involvement in it offering analogies that are in effect saying "I just make the bomb, I don't drop it" .

The ONLY difference in Democrats for Socialism and your Garden Variety type is THE SPELLING having to add the word "Democrat" to the "TYPE" of Socialist Obama is. I couldn't care less what happened twelve years ago especially when THAT has nothing to do with the proof he is a Member NOW!

That is in FACT Undeniable and if you LIVE IN ILLINOIS then CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF the Office is within driving distance and you might be able to get back in time to see the what Joy Behar has left to say on the View. Apparently and like most of the issues Obama seems shrouded in secrecy and attempted cover-ups, this too he has scrambled to cover up and it ain't because he he doesn't have to worry about what ATS members think aren't the FACTS.

Colin Powell explained his reasons accurately and elouquently.

Yes he did and I have NOTHING against Obama's being Black as the reason Powel is supporting him. If you can give me actual facts other than warm fuzzy adjectives that he "inspires" or is "transformational", I would be more than happy to indulge your fanciful quest to substantiate his qualifications as something, more substantive than the color of his skin but so far Neither Powel or you have done that and the reason you can not is Black and White. ( pun intended)

Now that you have told us you don't know a fact when you are given one, please answer the question I have asked four times now,

What is it you have a problem with a black person voting for another black person because he is black? Can you answer that? even if it the reason is shallow what is it exactly makes that racist?

Then you can tell me after twenty years of Black Libreration Theology one of its leader's being Obama's "mentor" in addition to Communist Author for how to be an effective community agitator or what they call "organizers" now and Obama's OWN words in his OWN book which mentions much of his Socialist aspirations for this country written in his own words, his own book audacity of truth and his memoirs,, what part of FACT in that do YOU have a hard time understanding?

I really would like to know because it seems you just simply don't want to hear the facts even if they are from the HORSES OWN MOUTH



[edit on 21-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Originally posted by MAINTAL This GUY is as UN AMERICAN as the Flag he refuses to wear and the refusal to gesture his pledge of his allegiance to, not putting his hand over his heart.

Well, like it or not, he appears to be the winner of the "anybody but a Republican" prize. Instead of all the vitriole, wouldn't it be a more worthwhile project to figure out why all this enmity against the right wing, and all the glory it's achieved in the last two terms? I mean you guys aren't even getting kissed any more.

Or is this another 'because they hate freedom' kinda thang?

Geezus people who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are much more important things to talk about than this BS!!!!!!

Seriously does it really freakin matter? NO IT DOESN'T!!!!! This thread is a Gigantic waste of space and frankly some of the comments on here are just unbelievable...on both sides.

Argue all you want...it's not going to change anything...it's done. Let's move on!!!!!!!!!! There are much more important things to discuss than this garbage.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

This GUY is as UN AMERICAN as the Flag he refuses to wear and the refusal to gesture his pledge of his allegiance to, not putting his hand over his heart. You might say that is a small thing but THIS IS SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! .....

A flag pin makes you patriotic? I assume you are wearing yours now?
Must we all wear flag pins lest we be percieved as unamerican by the GOP?

Niether myself, nor Senator Obama is required to wear a flag pin to demonstate love of country. Does everyone who wears a flagpin love there country? I didn't know I could simply sport a flag pin and become an instant patriot.

Love of country is demonstrated by service and loyalty and at times like this not sitting quitely and allowing McCarthistic fear tactics to dictate to us how to demonstrate blind loyalty to corrupt political ideologies.

Love of country is shown in many ways and in this instance it is confronting the hateful propagandists among us trying to divide the electorate in order to obtain a poltical advantage and calling them what they are.

I have and continue to demonstrate my love of country through service, rather than pin a flag on my shirt.

You go ahead and tack on that cheap place holder for genuine patriotism though...that way people will know you love your country.

Yes he did and I have NOTHING against Obama's being Black as the reason Powel is supporting him. If you can give me actual facts other than warm fuzzy adjectives that he "inspires" or is "transformational", ...

Colin Powell as much as said that the campaign that John McCain has run demonstrates through his desperate willingness to associate a potential POTUS with terrorism via Obama's distant association with Ayers, McCains sociapathic drive to win the white house at any cost, Inciting fear and hate among the far right, that McCain places a greater value on his own sucess than the security of either Senator Obama or the United States.

Colin Powell endorsed Obama because he, like the majority of Americans, think McCains motto should be COUNTRY SECOND, ME FIRST.

In contrast Obama is not interested in turning americans against eachother for political gain, but rather serving ALL of us. His speech on racism was a great example where he essentially appealed to the racists in America to consider their motivations without being condemning.

please answer the question I have asked four times now,

What is it you have a problem with a black person voting for another black person because he is black? Can you answer that? even if it the reason is shallow what is it exactly makes that racist?

The POTUS should not ever be chosen based on race, religion or sex.

Will some people vote for Obama because he is black? Yes.

Will some people NOT vote for Obama because he is black? Most certianly.

Niether is right and I suspect that ignorance can't be "turned" in this election and it will be a wash between ignorant voters.

Valueing race above qualifications. Thinking someone less suited/or better suited for any position based on the hue of their skin is stupid and yes, racist.

Devil's Advocate

Didn't Obama say he was going to work with both sides of the aisle? Ah, a man of his word.

reply to post by intrepid


Exactly! And Colin Powell, too, is reaching across the aisle. Something John McCain SAYS he holds in high regard... I guess only if someone is reaching across the aisle in HIS direction.

Originally posted by intrepid
Devil's Advocate

Didn't Obama say he was going to work with both sides of the aisle? Ah, a man of his word.

"working with both sides of the aisle" seems to be one of those repeated phrases by both candidates.

I hope and expect whoever wins will actually "work with both sides of the aisle"...if they don't I will be the first to call them a hypocrite.

There are bright, dedicated and genuinely honorable members of the GOP...they just need to take their party back IMHO.