Colin Powell Endorses Obama

reply to post by MAINTAL


Your premise was not factual, nor was your conclusion. I don't care how much gobbledygook you throw around, if either the premise or conclusion of your argument is false, the argument is invalid. Period.

You didn't provide any fact. In your response to my post, the only fact that was provided was in the post of mine that you quoted.

Period.

Oh, and cast your false accusations elsewhere.

Period.

[edit on 22-10-2008 by Areal51]

Originally posted by maybereal11

Communist flag in his headquarters? Please explain and provide CREDIBLE sources.

I think I am done indulging you. There was not an "excuse" there was a debunking.

There was? not by you ther wasn't, all you did was make my point offering more excuses.

Excuses like those you have given attempting to explain away the facts the same way most obamaniacs usually do by mis representing quoted material and as you have done once again by mis representing mine.

See Example Below:

YOU claimed Obama had a communist flag hanging in HIS HEADQUARTERS.

No I never said that , YOU DID! and that is your own quote at the top of your post, NOT MINE. I know what I said and do you know why?

I WAS THERE WHEN I WROTE IT! and YOU said "headquarters",, not me.

Then when I ask for credible sources you post a picture from a FOX News Affiliate that was posted on World Net Daily....WOW.

Even the FOX Affiliate that the image was taken from acknowledged that the image was from an INDEPENDANT VOLOUNTEER OFFICE and was not funded by or endorsed by the Obama campaign.

Oh puhleeeease, don't talk as if you just got some *BlocK Buster* of late breaking debunking news because I know where the photograph comes from and do you know why?

I WAS THERE WHEN I POSTED IT! THAT'S WHY!

I was there when I read the article also, I was there when I read the excuse Obama gave for it being there and who it belongs too and LO and Behold! She just happens to be a commie lover! JUST LIKE OBAMA!

Now Isn't THAT UNUSUAL!

No, it isn't.

Not if you know Barack Obama it isn't and that was MY POINT if you had bothered to read MY POST!

That as we read his book, and look at his backround, his fans, his friends and close supporters, colleagues etc, a pattern emerges.

It is one where Barack Obama is having to constantly offer excuses that amount to saying the same thing, or essentially words to the effect, I know all my freinds are communists, radicals and terrorists, but that bomb didn't belong to me or that Office wasn't owned by me, as if campaign offices where most work as volunteers, are all spaces we will find a title with the owners name on it saying Barack Obama.

Or his latest slippery slick trick saying his association to underground weatherman terrorist, Bill Ayers is just someone he worked with when he mentions knowing him BEFORE he worked with him IN HIS BOOK! Or that we aren't to make that an issue that he has nothing to do with his campaign but THAT didn't stop him from accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Ayers.

Now please don't tell me someone like that is just giving Obama that kind of cash out of the kindness of his heart!

Get real mayberry, people like that do it because they want FAVORS in return and yes Obama is Obligated to these people and if he doesn't think so, just wait till they want those favors called in because in spite of what Obama thinks, THAT is what contributors to his campaign not only believe, THEY EXPECT IT! You can ask anyone knowing the late Sam Giancanna or anyone close to one of the Dead kennedy's

If he doesn't think so, he can go to school on someone who has already been through all that kind of trouble in the Keating 5 scandal and is why he hasn't got the kind of political war chest Obama has amassed. His name is John McCain and is why he has been so vocal about campaign finance reform and clean elections.

That is something Obama knows nothing about and why he'll take money from anyone no matter how bad it looks he will just say things that are supposed to (in his mind I guess) make us not worry or cast aspersions that we are attacking him. I mean after all he assured us he isn't going to have Bill Ayers in his Cabinet as one of his advisors! Gee Barack,, how graciously above board and honest that is of you,,

So let me see Saul Alinsky is JUST a coincedence and Bill Ayers is Just a Coincedence and that Flag hanging is Just a coincedence so far so good right?

Obama in his Book mentions a man named “Frank” finally admiting this Frank was in fact Frank Marshall Davis August 19, 2008

I have read the books online and found those Obama says were lying about him in fact were not lying at all but like I said Obama keeps tripping over more and more Communists willing to volunteer their time and office space for the cause. You know the change we can believe in by the one we have all been waiting for. The Messiah himself Saint Obama. Then I had read an article by Cliff Kincaid one of the journalists for Security.org.

Obama’s Communist Cover-up Continues
Cliff Kincaid


In a surprising admission that could become a major scandal in the presidential race, Barack Obama’s 40-page so-called “rebuttal” to Jerome Corsi’s book, The Obama Nation, acknowledges for the first time that the senator once had a personal relationship with identified Communist Party USA (CPUSA) member Frank Marshall Davis, a key high-level operative in a Soviet-sponsored network in Hawaii.

But the 40-page report, advertised and sold to the media as a refutation of Corsi’s “lies,” doesn’t identify Davis as a hard-core communist and it dishonestly edits an article about Davis to eliminate references to his admitted involvement in CPUSA activities and make the black revolutionary writer and “poet” look like a civil rights activist.

In fact, Davis was a secret CPUSA member who continued his involvement in the CPUSA or its front activities into the 1970s, when he became Barack Obama’s mentor in Hawaii. Corsi’s book devotes part of chapter three, “Black Rage, Drugs, and a Communist Mentor,” to Davis.

This official Obama campaign cover-up, which attempts to further mislead voters about Obama’s mysterious and controversial background, occurs as serious questions are being raised about Obama’s initial soft line toward the Russian invasion of Georgia. In his first statement on the crisis, Obama failed to directly condemn the Russian invasion. Obama “did not directly blame Russia” for the crisis, the New York Times acknowledged.

Did Obama’s position reflect inexperience in foreign affairs, the influence of advisers, or an ideological tendency to take Russia’s side in global affairs against the U.S. and its allies?

According to the editor of Davis’s books, John Edgar Tidwell, Davis was not only a secret CPUSA member but tried to recruit a prominent poet to the CPUSA. It’s not known if he tried to recruit Obama because the major media refuse to question Obama about his relationship with Davis, and Davis died in 1987.

Obama in his report about his book and in his own words has fionally admitted that a guy named "frank" one of his mentors he says is in fact the same guy.

Lets see now, this makes about 5 mentors ( I was lucky enough to have two) and counting, that were very involved with the communist party.

Mmmmmmm still need more convincing?

You got it and after you're finshed reading that you can listen to Bill Ayers and do a little math and even YOU should be able to figure out that NOT ONLY has Obama NOT been Honest with us, you know the Americans he is supposed to take an Oath if elected to defend against all enemies, yeah That guy. It should come as an epiphaney that THIS GUY HAS MORE DIRTY LAUNDRY then your entire laundry hamper of skivies Mayberry!

www.familysecuritymatters.org...

Now we have the matter of his kindergarten fiasco which again you use the same tactics to wash the stain clean but a hash mark in your skivies don't come out that easy without bleach and YOU forgot the bleach as I expected you would not citing the actual bill in all its incriminationg glory.

See Below:

093_SB0099


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1 AN ACT concerning education.

2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:

4 Section 5. The School Code is amended by changing
5 Sections 27-9.1 and 27-9.2 as follows:

6 (105 ILCS 5/27-9.1) (from Ch. 122, par. 27-9.1)
7 Sec. 27-9.1. Sex Education.
8 (a) No pupil shall be required to take or participate in
9 any class or course in comprehensive sex education if the
10 pupil's his parent or guardian submits written objection
11 thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or
12 program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of
13 such pupil. Each class or course in comprehensive sex
14 education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.
19 (b) All public elementary, junior high, and senior high
20 school classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual
21 activity or behavior intercourse shall emphasize that
22 abstinence is an effective method of preventing unintended is
23 the expected norm in that abstinence from sexual intercourse
24 is the only protection that is 100% effective against
25 unwanted teenage pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases,
26 and HIV acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) when
27 transmitted sexually.
28 (c) In this subsection (c):
29 "Factual information" includes without limitation
30 medical, psychiatric, psychological, empirical, and
31 statistical statements.

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1 "Medically accurate" means verified or supported by
2 research conducted in compliance with scientific methods,
3 published in peer-review journals, where appropriate, and
4 recognized as accurate and objective by professional
5 organizations and agencies with expertise in the relevant
6 field.
7 All sex education courses that discuss sexual activity or
8 behavior intercourse shall satisfy the following criteria:
9 (1) Factual information presented in course
10 material and instruction shall be medically accurate and
11 objective.
12 (2) All (1) course material and instruction shall
13 be age and developmentally appropriate.
14 (3) Course material and instruction shall include a
15 discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent
16 unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections,
17 including HIV.
18 (4) Course material and instruction shall present
19 the latest medically factual information regarding both
20 the possible side effects and health benefits of all
21 forms of contraception, including the success and failure
22 rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually
23 transmitted infections, including HIV.
24 (5) Course material and instruction shall include a
25 discussion of the possible consequences of unintended
26 pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including
27 HIV.
28 (2) Course material and instruction shall teach
29 honor and respect for monogamous heterosexual marriage.
30 (3) Course material and instruction shall stress
31 that pupils should abstain from sexual intercourse until
32 they are ready for marriage.
33 (4) Course material and instruction shall include a
34 discussion of the possible emotional and psychological

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1 consequences of preadolescent and adolescent sexual
2 intercourse outside of marriage and the consequences of
3 unwanted adolescent pregnancy.
4 (6) (5) Course material and instruction shall
5 stress that sexually transmitted infections diseases are
6 serious possible hazards of sexual activity or behavior
7 intercourse. Pupils shall be provided with statistics
8 based on the latest medical information citing the
9 failure and success rates of all contraceptive methods
10 condoms in preventing unintended pregnancies and HIV AIDS
11 and other sexually transmitted infections diseases.
12 (7) (6) Course material and instruction shall
13 advise pupils of the laws pertaining to their financial
14 responsibility to children born in and out of wedlock.
15 (8) (7) Course material and instruction shall
16 advise pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of
17 any age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual
18 relations with a minor as specified in of the
19 circumstances under which it is unlawful for males to
20 have sexual relations with females under the age of 18 to
21 whom they are not married pursuant to Article 12 of the
22 Criminal Code of 1961, as now or hereafter amended.
23 (9) Course material and instruction shall discuss
24 and provide for the development of positive communication
25 skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid
26 unwanted sexual activity.
27 (10) Course material and instruction shall
28 emphasize that the pupil has the power to control
29 personal behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base
30 their actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of
31 responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations,
32 such as respect for oneself and others.
33 (11) (8) Course material and instruction shall
34 teach pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal

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1 sexual advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual
2 advances and shall include information about verbal,
3 physical, and visual sexual harassment, including without
4 limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, nonconsensual
5 physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The
6 course material and instruction shall contain methods of
7 preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including
8 exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that
9 impairs one's judgment. The course material and
10 instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and
11 respect for others and Pupils shall be taught that it is
12 wrong to take advantage of or to exploit another person.
13 The material and instruction shall also encourage youth
14 to resist negative peer pressure. The course material and
15 instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal
16 consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance.
17 Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful
18 to touch an intimate part of another person as specified
19 in the Criminal Code of 1961.
20 (12) Course material and instruction shall teach
21 male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence
22 and shall teach female students about reducing
23 vulnerability for sexual violence.
24 (13) Course material and instruction shall teach
25 pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources
26 available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual
27 assault, including resources for escaping violent
28 relationships.
29 (14) Course material and instruction shall teach
30 pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to
31 exploit another person.
32 (15) Course material and instruction shall be free
33 of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, or sexual
34 orientation biases.

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1 (d) An opportunity shall be afforded to parents or
2 guardians to examine the instructional materials to be used
3 in such class or course.
4 (Source: P.A. 86-941.)

5 (105 ILCS 5/27-9.2) (from Ch. 122, par. 27-9.2)
6 Sec. 27-9.2. Family Life.
7 (a) If any school district provides courses of
8 instruction designed to promote wholesome and comprehensive
9 understanding of the emotional, psychological, physiological,
10 hygienic and social responsibility aspects of family life,
11 then such courses of instruction shall include the teaching
12 of prevention of unintended pregnancy and all options related
13 to unintended pregnancy, as the alternatives to abortion,
14 appropriate to the various grade levels; and whenever such
15 courses of instruction are provided in any of grades K 6
16 through 12, then such courses also shall include age
17 appropriate instruction on the prevention of sexually
18 transmitted infections, including the prevention,
19 transmission and spread of HIV AIDS. However, no pupil shall
20 be required to take or participate in any family life class
21 or course on HIV AIDS instruction if his parent or guardian
22 submits written objection thereto, and refusal to take or
23 participate in such course or program shall not be reason for
24 suspension or expulsion of such pupil.
25 (b) In this subsection (b):
26 "Factual information" includes without limitation
27 medical, psychiatric, psychological, empirical, and
28 statistical statements.
29 "Medically accurate" means verified or supported by
30 research conducted in compliance with scientific methods,
31 published in peer-review journals, where appropriate, and
32 recognized as accurate and objective by professional
33 organizations and agencies with expertise in the relevant

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1 field.
2 All family life courses of instruction shall satisfy the
3 following criteria:
4 (1) Factual information presented in course
5 material and instruction shall be medically accurate and
6 objective.
7 (2) All course material and instruction in classes
8 that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or
9 behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
10 (3) Course material and instruction shall include a
11 discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent
12 unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections,
13 including HIV.
14 (4) Course material and instruction shall present
15 the latest medically factual information regarding both
16 the possible side effects and health benefits of all
17 forms of contraception, including the success and failure
18 rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually
19 transmitted infections, including HIV.
20 (5) Course material and instruction shall stress
21 that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible
22 hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be
23 provided with statistics based on the latest medical
24 information citing the failure and success rates of all
25 contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy
26 and HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.
27 (6) Course material and instruction shall advise
28 pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any
29 age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations
30 with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal
31 Code of 1961.
32 (7) Course material and instruction shall discuss
33 and provide for the development of positive communication
34 skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid

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1 unwanted sexual activity.
2 (8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize
3 that the pupil has the power to control personal
4 behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their
5 actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of
6 responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations,
7 such as respect for oneself and others.
8 (9) Course material and instruction shall teach
9 pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual
10 advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances
11 and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
12 visual sexual harassment, including without limitation
13 nonconsensual sexual advances, nonconsensual physical
14 sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course
15 material and instruction shall contain methods of
16 preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including
17 exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that
18 impairs one's judgment. The course material and
19 instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and
20 respect for others and shall also encourage youth to
21 resist negative peer pressure. The course material and
22 instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal
23 consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance.
24 Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful
25 to touch an intimate part of another person, as specified
26 in the Criminal Code of 1961.
27 (10) Course material and instruction shall teach
28 male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence
29 and shall teach female students about reducing
30 vulnerability for sexual violence.
31 (11) Course material and instruction shall teach
32 pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources
33 available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual
34 assault, including resources for escaping violent

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1 relationships.
2 (12) Course material and instruction in classes
3 that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach
4 pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to
5 exploit another person.
6 (13) Course material and instruction shall be free
7 of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, and sexual
8 orientation biases.
9 (c) The State Superintendent of Education shall prepare
10 and make available to local school districts courses of
11 instruction designed to satisfy the requirements of this
12 Section.
13 The State Superintendent of Education shall develop a
14 procedure for evaluating and measuring the effectiveness of
15 the family life courses of instruction in each local school
16 district, including the setting of reasonable goals for
17 reduced sexual activity, sexually transmitted diseases and
18 premarital pregnancy. The goals shall be set by the beginning
19 of the 1991-92 school year. The State Superintendent shall
20 distribute a copy of the procedure to each local school
21 district. Each local school district may develop additional
22 procedures or methods for measuring the effectiveness of the
23 family life courses of instruction within the district.
24 Before the beginning of the 1993-94 school year, the State
25 Superintendent shall collect and evaluate all relevant data
26 to determine whether the goals are being achieved.
27 (Source: P.A. 86-941.)

28 Section 10. The Critical Health Problems and
29 Comprehensive Health Education Act is amended by changing
30 Sections 2 and 3 as follows:

31 (105 ILCS 110/2) (from Ch. 122, par. 862)
32 Sec. 2. Definitions. In this Act, the following terms

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1 shall have the following meanings respectively prescribed for
2 them, except as the context otherwise requires:
3 (a) "Comprehensive Health Education Program": a
4 systematic and extensive educational program designed to
5 provide a variety of learning experiences based upon
6 scientific knowledge of the human organism as it functions
7 within its environment which will favorably influence the
8 knowledge, attitudes, values and practices of Illinois school
9 youth; and which will aid them in making wise personal
10 decisions in matters of health.
11 "Factual information" includes without limitation
12 medical, psychiatric, psychological, empirical, and
13 statistical statements.
14 "Medically accurate" means verified or supported by
15 research conducted in compliance with scientific methods,
16 published in peer-review journals, where appropriate, and
17 recognized as accurate and objective by professional
18 organizations and agencies with expertise in the relevant
19 field.
20 (Source: P.A. 77-1405.)

21 (105 ILCS 110/3) (from Ch. 122, par. 863)
22 Sec. 3. Comprehensive Health Education Program.
23 (a) The program established under this Act shall
24 include, but not be limited to, the following major
25 educational areas as a basis for curricula in all elementary
26 and secondary schools in this State: human ecology and
27 health, human growth and development, the emotional,
28 psychological, physiological, hygienic and social
29 responsibilities of family life, including sexual abstinence
30 and prevention of unintended pregnancy until marriage,
31 prevention and control of disease, including age appropriate
32 instruction in grades K 6 through 12 on the prevention of
33 sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention,

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1 transmission and spread of HIV AIDS, public and environmental
2 health, consumer health, safety education and disaster
3 survival, mental health and illness, personal health habits,
4 alcohol, drug use, and abuse including the medical and legal
5 ramifications of alcohol, drug, and tobacco use, abuse during
6 pregnancy, sexual abstinence until marriage, tobacco,
7 nutrition, and dental health.
8 (b) All comprehensive health education programs
9 established under this Act shall satisfy the following
10 criteria:
11 (1) Factual information presented in course
12 material and instruction shall be medically accurate and
13 objective.
14 (2) All course material and instruction in classes
15 that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or
16 behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.
17 (3) Course material and instruction shall include a
18 discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent
19 unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections,
20 including HIV.
21 (4) Course material and instruction shall present
22 the latest medically factual information regarding both
23 the possible side effects and health benefits of all
24 forms of contraception, including the success and failure
25 rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually
26 transmitted infections, including HIV.
27 (5) Course material and instruction shall stress
28 that sexually transmitted infections are serious possible
29 hazards of sexual activity or behavior. Pupils shall be
30 provided with statistics based on the latest medical
31 information citing the failure and success rates of all
32 methods of contraception in preventing HIV and other
33 sexually transmitted infections.
34 (6) Course material and instruction shall advise

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1 pupils that it is unlawful for males or females of any
2 age to engage in sexual conduct or have sexual relations
3 with a minor as specified in Article 12 of the Criminal
4 Code of 1961.
5 (7) Course material and discussion shall discuss
6 and provide for the development of positive communication
7 skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid
8 unwanted sexual activity.
9 (8) Course material and instruction shall emphasize
10 that the pupil has the power to control personal
11 behavior. Pupils shall be encouraged to base their
12 actions on reasoning, self-discipline, sense of
13 responsibility, self-control, and ethical considerations,
14 such as respect for oneself and others.
15 (9) Course material and instruction shall teach
16 pupils to not make unwanted physical and verbal sexual
17 advances and how to say no to unwanted sexual advances
18 and shall include information about verbal, physical, and
19 visual sexual harassment, including without limitation
20 nonconsensual sexual advances, nonconsensual physical
21 sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course
22 material and instruction shall contain methods of
23 preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including
24 exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that
25 impairs one's judgment. The course material and
26 instruction shall emphasize personal accountability and
27 respect for others and shall also encourage youth to
28 resist negative peer pressure. The course material and
29 instruction shall inform pupils of the potential legal
30 consequences of sexual assault by an acquaintance.
31 Specifically, pupils shall be advised that it is unlawful
32 to touch an intimate part of another person as specified
33 in the Criminal Code of 1961.
34 (10) Course material and instruction shall teach

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1 male pupils about male accountability for sexual violence
2 and shall teach female students about reducing
3 vulnerability for sexual violence.
4 (11) Course material and instruction shall teach
5 pupils about counseling, medical, and legal resources
6 available to survivors of sexual abuse and sexual
7 assault, including resources for escaping violent
8 relationships.
9 (12) Course material and instruction in classes
10 that discuss sexual activity or behavior shall teach
11 pupils that it is wrong to take advantage of or to
12 exploit another person.
13 (13) Course material and instruction shall be free
14 of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, or sexual
15 orientation biases.
16 (c) Notwithstanding the above educational areas, the
17 following areas may also be included as a basis for curricula
18 in all elementary and secondary schools in this State: basic
19 first aid (including, but not limited to, cardiopulmonary
20 resuscitation and the Heimlich maneuver), early prevention
21 and detection of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, stroke, and
22 the prevention of child abuse, neglect, and suicide. The
23 school board of each public elementary and secondary school
24 in the State shall encourage all teachers and other school
25 personnel to acquire, develop, and maintain the knowledge and
26 skills necessary to properly administer life-saving
27 techniques, including without limitation the Heimlich
28 maneuver and rescue breathing. The training shall be in
29 accordance with standards of the American Red Cross, the
30 American Heart Association, or another nationally recognized
31 certifying organization. A school board may use the services
32 of non-governmental entities whose personnel have expertise
33 in life-saving techniques to instruct teachers and other
34 school personnel in these techniques. Each school board is

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1 encouraged to have in its employ, or on its volunteer staff,
2 at least one person who is certified, by the American Red
3 Cross or by another qualified certifying agency, as qualified
4 to administer first aid and cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
5 In addition, each school board is authorized to allocate
6 appropriate portions of its institute or inservice days to
7 conduct training programs for teachers and other school
8 personnel who have expressed an interest in becoming
9 qualified to administer emergency first aid or
10 cardiopulmonary resuscitation. School boards are urged to
11 encourage their teachers and other school personnel who coach
12 school athletic programs and other extracurricular school
13 activities to acquire, develop, and maintain the knowledge
14 and skills necessary to properly administer first aid and
15 cardiopulmonary resuscitation in accordance with standards
16 and requirements established by the American Red Cross or
17 another qualified certifying agency.
18 (d) No pupil shall be required to take or participate in
19 any class or course on HIV AIDS or family life instruction if
20 his parent or guardian submits written objection thereto, and
21 refusal to take or participate in the course or program shall
22 not be reason for suspension or expulsion of the pupil.
23 (e) Curricula developed under programs established in
24 accordance with this Act in the major educational area of
25 alcohol and drug use and abuse shall include classroom
26 instruction in grades 5 through 12. The instruction, which
27 shall include matters relating to both the physical and legal
28 effects and ramifications of drug and substance abuse, shall
29 be integrated into existing curricula; and the State Board of
30 Education shall develop and make available to all elementary
31 and secondary schools in this State instructional materials
32 and guidelines which will assist the schools in incorporating
33 the instruction into their existing curricula. In addition,
34 school districts may offer, as part of existing curricula

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1 during the school day or as part of an after school program,
2 support services and instruction for pupils or pupils whose
3 parent, parents, or guardians are chemically dependent.
4 (Source: P.A. 92-23, eff. 7-1-01.)

5 Section 90. The State Mandates Act is amended by adding
6 Section 8.27 as follows:

7 (30 ILCS 805/8.27 new)
8 Sec. 8.27. Exempt mandate. Notwithstanding Sections 6
9 and 8 of this Act, no reimbursement by the State is required
10 for the implementation of any mandate created by this
11 amendatory Act of the 93rd General Assembly.

12 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon
13 becoming law.

Now my question is, when was the last time YOU thought a child predator about to have sex with a kindergartner would oblige the toddlers request he wear a condom before sodomizing the youngster?

Yeah THAT is just what Obama expects us to believe if I am to listen to you Mayberry.




[edit on 22-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Originally posted by maybereal11

A court did NOT order Obama to provide his birth certificate. An attorney in Philly demanded it and the court has not responded to the motion yet.

This has been discussed and debunked on many other threads here on ATS. You can also google if you had any interest in accuracy or truth...which I doubt. I am getting tired of doing it for you.

This has been debunked?????? What are YOU talking about Mayberry?

Unlike YOU I like to see the original Documents, the original Bills he has or has not voted on and the actual law suits filed against him!

Clickety Click

Again Mayberry YOU miss the POINT! The point is WHY does it take a damn Law suit to get what ALL of us deserve and what is Constitutionally mandated he provide as PROOF of who the hell he is !

READ IT! ALL OF IT! You will see clicking on the numbers themselves just how hard Obama is trying to keep from showing the actual document!

WHY ? what is he hiding! This took a day for John McCain to provide.

So learn what the word debunking really means because if anyone has been debunked it is YOU and I'm getting tired of doing all the work witjh you just asking for more and more clues more evidence more reasonable doubt for having second thoughts about voting for this jerk

Need more because their is a mountain of it out there if you look hard enough. As for me not providing any proof,, I am THE ONLY one who HAS! and all you have done is squirm out of this the same way Obama does, buying opinions on snopes and the obama supported site fastcheck

Wow impressive,, if you're gullible

[edit on 22-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Here Mayberry is the update from the court. Obama is a harvard law school graduate and is without excuse for this most disgusting most egregious lie and deception HOW DARE HE ACCEPT MILLIONS FROM SO MANY KNOWING ALL ALONG HE IS NOTHING BUT A SHAM A GD LIAR!

Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President
For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

OBAMA - Admitted:

1. I was born in Kenya.

2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.

3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.

4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.

5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.

6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.

7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.

8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.

9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.

10. I was not born in Hawaii.

11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.

12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.

13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.

14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.

15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.

16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.

17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.

18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.

19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.

20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.

21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.

22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.

23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.

24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.

25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.

26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.

33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.

34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.

35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.

36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.

38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.

39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.

40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.

41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.

42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.

43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.

44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.

45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.

46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.

47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.

48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.
52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.

53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.

54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when
admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.

55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.

56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

DNC - Admitted:

1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.

2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.

3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.

4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.

6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.

7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.

8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.


9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.

10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.


11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.

12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.

13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.
14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.

15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.

16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.

17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.
18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.

19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.

21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.

22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.

23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.

24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.

25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.

26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.

27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

Our website obamacrimes.com now has 50.7 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers, radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
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[edit on 23-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Originally posted by Areal51
reply to post by MAINTAL

 

Your premise was not factual, nor was your conclusion. I don't care how much gobbledygook you throw around, if either the premise or conclusion of your argument is false, the argument is invalid. Period.

You didn't provide any fact. In your response to my post, the only fact that was provided was in the post of mine that you quoted.

Period.

Oh, and cast your false accusations elsewhere.

Period.

[edit on 22-10-2008 by Areal51]

LOL hey,, didn't you already say all this and didn't I already answer it?

Has it occured to you that I put a LOT more time and effort into mayberry than I do you? Ya know why? Perhaps it is because HE has at least put forth an effort using new thoughts and ideas having a completely new and originally posted argument with a new challenge where he has even recognised some of the evidence put forth as something I can tell he has at least taken the time to research. Albeit not what i would agree is deep enough but what can be expected in most cases.

You on the other hand are still saying the same thing you did before.

That you disagree with me and you still don't know why because you haven't lifted a finger to prove your point all the while casting a blind eye to my own where Mayberry at least was wise enough to get that much respect in return from me and why I bother with him and are within smelling distance of just putting you on ignore.

Like I said, you're just saying more of the same thing you didn't know a thing about last time you said it so you aren't even in mayberrys league to garner my interest in any further dialogue. So why do you keep repeating yourself? Either engage the debate or lurk being silent.

You didn't provide any fact. In your response to my post, the only fact that was provided was in the post of mine that you quoted.

yeah I just did it again and again you said the same thing and that is the only thing we can agree on. You post is correct that you disagree and you got nothing to counter in the form of additional information other than your unmittigated un asked for opinion. It is a clever response but I have already seen ATS member Jphish use it long before you copied it


[edit on 22-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by MAINTAL
The same reason he didn't support the first bailout bill Obama wanted passed because McCain didn't want to pass it with 20% of the bill going to ACORN.

Please provide a source that the original bailout bill contained any provision directing 20% of the funds to the ACORN orginization.

Oh you still have doubts do you LOL

Here ya go.

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).

SEC. 105. RIGHTS; MANAGEMENT; SALE OF TROUBLED ASSETS; REVENUES AND SALE PROCEEDS.
…
(d) TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS.—
(1) DEPOSITS.—Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2).
(2) USE OF DEPOSITS.—Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1)—
(A) 65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and
(B) 35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569).

That is the actual language in the bill the republicans turned down but as you can see, this is all over the internet and I am sure you will be as angry as most are. I mean why should they get even MORE of our money ya know?

Cl icketY ClicK

They already get 450 dollars of every single mortgage as it is already.

Your welcome




[edit on 22-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Back on topic.
Powel

Powel resigned in shame and disgrace as a failed diplomat. He was a good millitary man, as a diplomat he failed. The last time he stood up with his reputation and asked people to believe him was at the UN with the faulty intelligence reports. Now the same people that hated him for it are madly in love with him, gotta love politics and the pure hypocricy.
Can it be that Powel sees more personal agenda forwarding by jumping on the 98% all black bandwagon. He's sure to get a cabinet seat by jumping through the beltway hoops with Obama. Conversely he would be seen as more evidence of McCain equal Bush if McCain groveled for his endorsement. McCain would lose with him onboard so he went where he only could.

Originally posted by SectionEight
Back on topic.
Powel

Powel resigned in shame and disgrace as a failed diplomat. He was a good millitary man, as a diplomat he failed. The last time he stood up with his reputation and asked people to believe him was at the UN with the faulty intelligence reports. Now the same people that hated him for it are madly in love with him, gotta love politics and the pure hypocricy.
Can it be that Powel sees more personal agenda forwarding by jumping on the 98% all black bandwagon. He's sure to get a cabinet seat by jumping through the beltway hoops with Obama. Conversely he would be seen as more evidence of McCain equal Bush if McCain groveled for his endorsement. McCain would lose with him onboard so he went where he only could.

Now that's an angle I haven't considered and you are right, that makes a lot of sense because I know if anyone would know about Obama it would be Powell so I know he isn't impressed with Obama's leadership skills but more the other

PULL OUT of IRAQ ????

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;

221 killed in Iraq .

Chicago.... Who Runs it:
Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

.....our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other!


Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

Wake Up America !

[edit on 22-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Originally posted by bknapple32
theres a lot of racism going on in this thread. It's sad. But people are showing their true colors here. Colin Powell is showing his political beliefs here. He raises a legit point in questioning McCains choice of VP. Hes not the first republican to do so thus far. This has nothing to do with being black white or green. Though it is an easy route to take for an argument as there is no other point to be made.


Sad really. I expect more than blatant racism from an ATS board. If you disagree with Powell's decision, attack his credibility. Please dont resort to having to play the race card.

I don't think that is it at all, what I see is nothing more than wet blankets crying racism at every opportunity whether it is real or imagined. I lived in Chicago during the 68 DNC and saw what racism is and this ain't it.

This is just the new liberal left's way of stirring the pot

Now, with the endorsement, maybe Obama should alter his logo a bit.

I think he should put Colin in the center of the great big round "O"

reply to post by Alxandro


You guys are so pathetic.... if Powell had endorsed McCain you would be singing his praise to high heaven.

Its a personal opinion, get over it.

This is good, since now that Obama has an ex-general on his side, Obama has some military support if Bush tries to stage an extended presidential extension.

One can only imagine what sick TPTB- influenced 'crisis' will come up after Obama is elected president... Or even McCain, for that matter.

I'm betting on a war with Russia. Even right now in Georgia there's some trouble between Georgian elements and Russian soldiers even though to my knowledge, Russian soldiers are leaving Georgia right now.

It seems troublesome elements on the Georgian side are trying to provoke a Russian response to give the West reason to attack, perhaps preferably before the elections!

Russia is a very vast country with a lot of resources and arable land, which perhaps will be very vital in 2 or 3 decades, and TPTB would dearly love to have some degree of control over its resources. I wonder how they will spin the coming (?) war.

I wonder what exactly Biden was talking about.

“It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

Perhaps there will be an attack on Iran, and Russia will avenge Iran, The PTB spins this war to their advantage, perhaps through false flag attacks to garner support. Who knows how many people end up dead after this

TPTB then either makes a lot of money and/or becomes more powerful out of this...

If a war happens, however the outcome, TPTB wins.

If there is a short quasi-war, TPTB will make money through defense/mining contracts. If there is a long war, then a lot of people will be dead, and a smaller populace is easier for TPTB to control.

They will win either way... Unless they're taken out, which is probably too late at this point in time. The elections are nearing.

Originally posted by grover

You guys are so pathetic.... if Powell had endorsed McCain you would be singing his praise to high heaven.

Its a personal opinion, get over it.

McCain has more than enough brass to support him Grovey but that isn't the point. Of course we would sing his praises if he supported McCain because that would make sense and it would be consistent with his party his record etc but THIS time he has something to over ride all that and it is something we would have hoped he wouldn't have as the only one reason to vote for Obama. This time he has a Black alternative and it looks like he just couldn't pass that up.

NOW THAT'S PATHETIC

[edit on 23-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

McCain has more than enough brass to support him Grovey but that isn't the point. Of course we would sing his praises if he supported McCain because that would make sense and it would be consistent with his party his record etc but THIS time he has something to over ride all that and it is something we would have hoped he wouldn't have as the only one reason to vote for Obama. This time he has a Black alternative and it looks like he just couldn't pass that up.

NOW THAT'S PATHETIC

[edit on 23-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

You are engaging in rampant speculation about Powell's motives and it's honestly a bit shameful. Powell gave an eloquent and well thought out expression of his reasons for endorsing Obama. It's fine that you think he's being disingenuous, but the fact is you can't prove that he's lying about his reasons for supporting Obama. This sort of hyperbole is just harmful and to be quite honest gives the impression that you are less than colorblind, true or no. My two cents: move on. If you want to oppose Obama, do it with constructive debate rather than demeaning speculation.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by MAINTAL
The same reason he didn't support the first bailout bill Obama wanted passed because McCain didn't want to pass it with 20% of the bill going to ACORN.

Please provide a source that the original bailout bill contained any provision directing 20% of the funds to the ACORN orginization.

Oh you still have doubts do you LOL

Here ya go.
......

That is the actual language in the bill the republicans turned down but as you can see, this is all over the internet and I am sure you will be as angry as most are. I mean why should they get even MORE of our money ya know?

They already get 450 dollars of every single mortgage as it is already.

Your welcome
[edit on 22-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Again you seem to give the Right Wing Propaganda machine credibility where others choose to think. I am done spending my time googling to refute things you are saying when you obviously are posting things you know to be false.

www.cbsnews.com...
In the end, how much of the bailout's potential profits are earmarked for ACORN? "NONE. ABSOLUTELY NONE. ALL FUNDS would go to state and local governments,"

State and local governments CAN then dole out the funds and could send money to ACORN IF THEY SO CHOOSE and if the organization's efforts meet the standards set out in the law.

"Are they worried that the Governor of Alaska and the Mayor of Wasilla will give money to Acorn?" he asked.

And the very same day, Obama said that Colin Powell will have a position in his administration.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Colin Powell was a politician as an Army Officer (I served under him when he was a Major, and he was horribly political and a lousy leader). He is a politician to this day, and the ONLY thing he really gives a damn about is Colin Powell.

Obama can have him.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

McCain has more than enough brass to support him Grovey but that isn't the point. Of course we would sing his praises if he supported McCain because that would make sense and it would be consistent with his party his record etc but THIS time he has something to over ride all that and it is something we would have hoped he wouldn't have as the only one reason to vote for Obama. This time he has a Black alternative and it looks like he just couldn't pass that up.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

Colin Powell has earned the right to an opinion and not have idiots like yourself declare it racially motivated.

Very soon this political fever will break and we will have a new President.

MAINTAL...I would have respect for your opinion and view if you in any way appeared to value truth over agenda, but you have repeatedly demonstrated the opposite is true with you. Wanting to win is OK, Wanting to win at all costs is not..tell your candidate.

I hope you find your better self soon. It can't be healthy to carry all of that pessimism and anger.

As for me. I am going to let go and trust the American people. I think this election cycle has finally killed Rovian politics. I am done with political debate for the time being.

I voted today. I will leave you with this from 4 years ago......

******Obama at the 2004 convention*******

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.

Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.

There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.

We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states.

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism, or do we participate in a politics of hope?

Originally posted by JohnnyElohim


You are engaging in rampant speculation about Powell's motives and it's honestly a bit shameful. Powell gave an eloquent and well thought out expression of his reasons for endorsing Obama. It's fine that you think he's being disingenuous, but the fact is you can't prove that he's lying about his reasons for supporting Obama. This sort of hyperbole is just harmful and to be quite honest gives the impression that you are less than colorblind, true or no. My two cents: move on. If you want to oppose Obama, do it with constructive debate rather than demeaning speculation.

This goes back to what mayberry said about abstraction in his speech where all the reasons he gave were level 4 abstractions and why you keep saying the same drivel about his giveing an eloquent well thought out speech about it. Well thought out yes in that he was careful NOT to say because he is black. That I am sure you'll agree would have been stupid of powell to say so he didn't and any other reasons he gave were all full of colorful pretty adjectives but NONE had anything to do with things like EXPERIENCE, QUALIFICATIONS, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, etc. you know the meat and potatos kind of thing you'd expect from someone like powell. So one can only speculate why he would have over looked all that and his being Black is the most obvious item on the list. Unless of course you really think Powell is that stupid to vote for him merely because Obama is "Charming" .

Powell may be Racist but he aint stupid.

As for the harm this discussion may cause?

You ever listen to an Obama ad ?

TALK ABOUT MIS INFORMATION

Originally posted by maybereal11

Colin Powell has earned the right to an opinion and not have idiots like yourself declare it racially motivated.

I got about this far in your post and realized I am talking to a child calling me names now and read no further so whatever it was you had to say, I am sure I didn't miss much. I never said Powell doesn't have a right to an opinion nor do I have a problem with his opinion no matter how he arrived at it including whether or not his opinion was predicated on race. YOU seem to have a problem with it but I don't.

Had Powell not been so wise as to know their are still people in this world that would get upset if Obama's being Black had anything to do with another Black person using that as a reason to finally see one of his own be President, he may have actually said it but not all can see it the same way affirmative action works, without saying it is racist in an evil way and no other way.

James Cone creator of the Black Liberation Church and Rev. Wrights Mentor said, "Yes Blacks DO hate white people, but that's not racism" No one likes to think of their own brand of prejudice against or Bias for someone as "Racist" but to some degree we all do that in one direction or the other.

I think when we can admit that to ourselves is the day it really WON'T matter that much anymore. Until then we will be muddying the waters in Political Correctness.

I may have called you mayberry because I liked you, but I never called you an idiot maybereal11. I must say, I'm a little disappointed.

Just out of curiosity,, Ill bet this whole time you envisioned yourself talking to a white guy. Be interesting to know.







[edit on 23-10-2008 by MAINTAL]

reply to post by SEEWHATUDO


Get real!! Of course he is voting for Obama b/c he is black. The vast majority of blacks will vote for Obama. What's new?

Originally posted by maybereal11

Again you seem to give the Right Wing Propaganda machine credibility where others choose to think. I am done spending my time googling to refute things you are saying when you obviously are posting things you know to be false.


www.cbsnews.com...
In the end, how much of the bailout's potential profits are earmarked for ACORN? "NONE. ABSOLUTELY NONE. ALL FUNDS would go to state and local governments,"

Yeah Mayberry BECAUSE THAT BILL FAILED TO GET PASSED JUST LIKE I SAID READ MY POST!


There you go again mayberry, do you not read what you post? Or did you leave the rest of that article out on purpose?

You know the part that say THIS!

"If Rep. Frank wants to keep ACORN in the bill he can secure the necessary Democratic votes for passage because he'll need every one of them."

Now why do you think he said that? Do you even know? Jeez man WAKE UP! Now you're just embarrassing yourself. That final statement proves what I said was true! Do you remember asking me to prove their was legislation being discussed about ACORN being part of the bail out and I said the republicans wouldn't go for it? The link you just used to prove me wrong only verifies what I told you and the language in the bill on that site was the same I showed you. Here Mayberry tell attorney Greta Van susterin that shei is telling false information or here I guess the Wall Street Journal is lying too! online.wsj.com...


Above and beyond that is who do we know that took the second higest contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? which is who we are bailing out.

OBAMA that's who!

and Who do we know that stands to gain the most from ACORN who is already under investigation for registration fraud

OBAMA! That's who!

Now who was it that tried to stop Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by presenting a bill to tighten it up?

McCain That's who!

and who stopped it ?

OBAMA! That's who!

What sort of person would like to see our capitalist form of Government move to one where WE end up paying for everything in the economy? A Socialist That's who! and what name do we know that has more mentors and is in more communist organizations and the most leftist voting record of anyone in the senate?

OBAMA that's who!

Your vote just brought us THAT much further into Socialism Mayberry and what is the sad thing is you all have blamed an American Veteran a POW who again by stopping that bill that had 20% earmarked for ACORN

What are you people THINKING! Quit listening to the freakin news and READ THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS! THE ACTUAL VOTING RECORD!

QUIT THINKING EVERYONE ON BILL MAHR AND MAD TV IS RIGHT!

I notice you had nothing to say about me proving you wrong about every single issue mayberry and even THIS one you are proven wrong once again! OBAMA is WRONG as WRONG can be and God help us if he gets in Office with NO counter balance and checks to stop him. Has it not occured to you how he is getting so much money? He isn't getting contributions from individuals man he is taking money FROM ENTIRE NATIONS! and they are COMMUNIST and Socialist Governments! Mafia People like Tony Rezko! Terrorists Like Ayers, Communists like Saul Alinsky they have all funded this guy up the ying yang! So far everything I have shown you is true and you continue to get beat by the facts just like every Obama supporter I have encountered and debated and you would rather throw this country under the bus than admit you're wrong. UNBELIEVABLE!



Look do you think Bush was a REPUBLICAN?

NOOOOO he isn't! Take a look at what the news is calling this economic probelm now,, "THE GLOBAL MONEY CRISIS" now what do you think that is a sign of? Ever hear of the "NWO"?




[edit on 24-10-2008 by MAINTAL]