This is for all the `ufo skeptics` must read

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Aliens are not the only non-human explanation. There's extradimensional theories, there's celestial and demonic theories, Carl Jung even suggested that they were simply manifestations of the collective unconscious. Just because humans aren't piloting them does not automatically that they're extraterrestrial in nature. You're right that people need to take time to research if you think extraterrestrial is the only theory that can fit the phenomena.

I dont think terrestrial fairies and demons would have space craft myself. So if they are craft id be pretty sure they are either government or alien craft.

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I'll agree with you on the movie but I doubt we're going to find better resolution from a night time movie outta 1942.

reply to post by silver6ix

There was absolutely no live TV at that time. The incident was filmed, photographed and seen by many, many thousands.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
We've had quite a debate about this issue on another thread titled "The Questions UFO Skeptics Can't Answer." The outcome of the debate was in our favor of course regardless of the stupidity of the "skeptics" in there. Whenever you encounter people who are very stupid with regards to this issue they are what are called as nonbelievers masquerading as skeptics. They're no different than the hoaxers in status and dealing with them is a waste of time.

I believe that a lot of people would find your interpretation of that particular thread rather interesting, NoRunRichard.

And once again, we find another believer who is less interested in proving that extraterrestrials are visiting the Earth, and more interested in attacking skeptics. Yet another believer who thinks that, somehow, if it was not for the skeptics, they would have the proof they are so desperate for. Yet another believer who thinks attacking skeptics is a stand-in for the proof they lack.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

I believe that a lot of people would find your interpretation of that particular thread rather interesting, NoRunRichard.

And once again, we find another believer who is less interested in proving that extraterrestrials are visiting the Earth, and more interested in attacking skeptics. Yet another believer who thinks that, somehow, if it was not for the skeptics, they would have the proof they are so desperate for. Yet another believer who thinks attacking skeptics is a stand-in for the proof they lack.

It is interesting, no doubt about that. We believers have a lot of evidences to support alien existence and visitation which you flirt around. Like I said, NOTHING can satisfy a nonbeliever, and that's logical, a nonbeliever believes in NOTHING. What you're saying in here is a broken record, a convenient attack against believers. All the nonbelievers state in here are rejections but they never specified what proof they're looking for. Take your closed mind somewhere else, complex.

P. S.

What's up with the mods deleting my post? Are you biased now? These statements of mine are just as legitimate as any and it proves my point about the issue concerning nonbelievers pretending to be skeptics. Statements like these have to be posted in order to prove a point.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

The "evidence" is inconclusive. Until an actual craft or body is recovered, or they touch down and say "Take me to your leader" then there is no evidence anything has visited us. Not to say something doesn't exist out there. I believe something does, but nothing has visited us yet.

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You have no solid evidence. Your UFO's are here is based purely on speculation and faith. Show us something that says outright alien and cannot have another logical alternative. Eyewtiness's can be mistaken, ufo's can be misidentified terrestrial craft or maybe celestial occurances or they can be alien, and as for alien life taking people, there are only the stories that can be attributed to sleep paralysis or other things. See what we are talking about...there are too many alternatives to just the alien hypothesis. There is no evidence out there that points at aliens being the one and only answer.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
The "evidence" is inconclusive. Until an actual craft or body is recovered, or they touch down and say "Take me to your leader" then there is no evidence anything has visited us. Not to say something doesn't exist out there. I believe something does, but nothing has visited us yet.

That's the biggest baloney I've ever heard. There were spaceships and bodies recovered but they're all covered up by the Government. People were told to say nothing about them. Threats were given out. What can you say about Roswell, Kecksberg, Rendlesham, etc.? Now you may say that this is an old conspiracy theory but that is the truth. And these informations came from no other than the eyewitnesses themselves.

Originally posted by riggs2099

You have no solid evidence. Your UFO's are here is based purely on speculation and faith. Show us something that says outright alien and cannot have another logical alternative. Eyewtiness's can be mistaken, ufo's can be misidentified terrestrial craft or maybe celestial occurances or they can be alien, and as for alien life taking people, there are only the stories that can be attributed to sleep paralysis or other things. See what we are talking about...there are too many alternatives to just the alien hypothesis. There is no evidence out there that points at aliens being the one and only answer.

That is your opinion and an opinion only. Could millions of people be hallucinating at the same time? Let's say a thousand. Or still a hundred. There is still credible proof out there outweighing any other speculations. "No evidence out there that points at aliens being the one and only answer" huh. This is a sweeping generalization. Riggs, my friends, is an example of a typical nonbeliever. Go back to the thread titled "The Questions UFO Skeptics Can't Answer" and peruse everything they have posted in there and you'll see what I mean.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by NoRunRichard]

okay
give me some PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that jesus exists

you cant can you?
so why do billions believe in him..........

cat got your tounge??????

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Faith is not proof.
Nor does faith does not require proof.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by Phage]

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The proof of jesus is the same as alien contact. Not very good and faith is needed for either to be believed.

If there weren't so many people being a-holes and posting fake crap, then believers and skeptics could get along a little better.

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Aliens here is only speculation and only that. There is no solid proof no matter how much you claim there is. You do know what ufo;s stand for...it does not mean aliens are flying around..it just means that something has been seen that can not be explained. Find us one story that can not have an alternative explaination. All of them can have another possible explainatioin, not an definitive answer but can be possibly attributed to something else. Prove they can not be military or anything else and can only be alien in origin. REMEMBER YOUR BELIEF IN THIS SUBJECT IS ONLY OPINION NOT FACT.

reply to post by MegaBears


That is true. The ufo phenomenon is based purely on faith as I have said before. The question then becomes how do you choose who to put your faith in, be careful because the person you put your faith in because they could later turn out be a fraud. Take Goodchild as an example. I am not saying every believer trusted her word, but some did and they are part of the hardcore believer groups, that were made fools of. I have always stated I am open to the possibility of aliens here but nothing (which is FACT not opinion) states they are here as fact. As long as they is the possibility of these ufo's being something other than aliens I will continue to be a skeptic.

How many hits a day do you think this site gets from military and gov sources? Id bet alot, all site on these subjects do. The truth is out there, just ask Fox Mulder, he'll tell you.

Originally posted by weneedtoknow
okay
give me some PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that jesus exists

Once again, no one here brought up Jesus. None of us are trying to prove the existence of Jesus, nor is this conversation about the evidence for Jesus versus that of extraterrestrial visitation. In the context of this conversation, one has nothing to do with the other.

Besides, it a false correlation. Evidence for or against Jesus does not help to validate any claim of extraterrestrial visitation. If one where to prove or disprove Jesus' existence, it would have no bearing on this conversation. All you are doing is establishing that people believe in something, with a deep faith, despite a lack of physical evidence. Proving a belief is not proving an existence.

Originally posted by weneedtoknow
you cant can you?

We're not trying to provide evidence of Jesus' existence.

Originally posted by weneedtoknow

so why do billions believe in him..........

When you ask questions like this, you are doing more to hurt your case than help it. One could ask the same question about the UFO faithful, why do they believe despite a lack of physical evidence.

As an extension of what Phage said, not only does faith not require proof, but faith allows almost anything the faithful wishes to be proof. To the faithful, the Bible is all the proof they need. And to the UFO faithful, all they need is a grainy video, a good story, or someone telling them what they want to hear.

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I think the point he is making is that nobody runs around questioning the rationality of religious belief and demanding proof of life every two seconds.

Your constant, incessant demands for proof are painted in a very thin veil of rationality which when torn asunder reveals little more than glaring hypocrisy.

"proof" even the word makes me laugh, your "proof" is defined by someone else, and I pity those who cant see that.

When a witness stands in court, what constitutes the proof of his or her testimony? Their words? The truth? Please, wake up, credibility or the lack of it. You live in a world where "credibility" defines the meaning of "proof" my friend and any wise person would know that credibility is given and taken with littlte regard for the "truth".

So this mythical "proof" some people so constantly demand is nothing more than a reinforcement of an illusional world in which they live. Truth? Seriously, you cant handle the truth (i love that live)

[edit on 23-10-2008 by silver6ix]

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
What you're saying in here is a broken record, a convenient attack against believers.

I attacked no one. I attacked attitudes and behaviors that certain individuals, you among them, have exhibited.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
All the nonbelievers state in here are rejections but they never specified what proof they're looking for.

On the contrary, I and other skeptics have discussed what proof we are looking for. However, you choose to ignore this. And despite the fact we told you repeatedly that we believe in life elsewhere in the galaxy and we are open to the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation but we are skeptical of the current evidence, you ignore this, call us fake skeptics and non-believers.

The only person here who is behaving in a closed-minded fashion is you.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
Take your closed mind somewhere else, complex.

Everyone is welcome here, whatever viewpoints they may hold. You do not have a say over who can and cannot be here, or what opinions they may express.

And you might want to refrain from telling someone they are closed-minded, when you are the one saying that opinions contrary to your's are not welcome.

And please have the maturity to realize just because someone does not agree with you, it does not mean they are closed-minded.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
What's up with the mods deleting my post? Are you biased now? These statements of mine are just as legitimate as any and it proves my point about the issue concerning nonbelievers pretending to be skeptics. Statements like these have to be posted in order to prove a point.

You were not being censored because of your viewpoint. Your post was deleted because you were being abusive towards people who hold opposing viewpoints, using variations of the word "stupid" to describe skeptics in another thread.