Convicted paedophile found strangled and dumped in woods

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
They're actually saying, let's take these decisions out of our hands, and put them put the decision in a neutral, non-hysterical court.

Yes, courts are very very impersonal. They can let people walk over a technicality. Life is personal, killing is personal, rape is personal. You see that is flawed thinking, I see that is reality.

Yes, occasionally people will "walk over a technicality" but I'm not really sure how that's relevant. What are you suggesting, that the judiciary should be, on some level, emotionally involved in each and every court case? On whose side? You might think it's obvious who deserves justice in court, but it's not always so. So do you just go on emotion?

I'd much rather the law was at least theoretically objective and set-out before hand and even open to 'technicalities', than have a random, human factor involved based on something as unquantifiable as emotion.

Originally posted by Finn1916
ok so a sick twisted creep got what he deserved and can now never hurt another child(they almost always reoffend, it's only a matter of time). So the problem is? The only problem i have with it is whoever he molested's dad is obviously a pansy for not killing him sooner.



Genius way to put it. I never got how somebody could allow another human to violate or kill a family member and not seek revenge. That's sounds bad but if anyone molested my kid...

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Originally posted by Death_Kron

Exactly! Of course he has been killed due to his sexual interests, people can say what they want. "A human being is still a human being regardless of what they have done" I'm sorry but some crimes are just unforgivable and when you treat someone so badly and commit such an disgusting act, your rights as a human being disappear.

Inalienable means that no matter how abhorrent the crime, no matter how disgusted and rage-filled you are towards a person, they always have human rights.

Always.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Which will be no one. I'm not aware of anyone on this thread empathising with paedophiles. How is being against vigilante-style murders 'empathising with paedophiles'? The two aren't the same thing at all.

I empathize with Paedophiles. I do not empathize with Child-Rapists or Kid-Killers.

Originally posted by Sonya610

The people that are saying "all killing is wrong!!!" are just as emotional as the ones that say they don't care if the pedophile is dead. In fact perhaps more so.

The death of a human being economically has a negative value, it is the destruction of someone's existence. Whether monstrous or divine, that holds true.

Now, if you don't care about blood on your hands, I can't help you. But don't pretend you are righteous because you're killing the monsters. Blood is blood.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
The problem with your assessment is that whether or not you think anyone against the vigilante-killing of paedophiles is emotional or not - and reading the comments on this thread, I think it's fairly evident who is making the more emotive responses - the people actually against these vigilante groups are asking for non-emotional response justice. They're actually saying, let's take these decisions out of our hands, and put them put the decision in a neutral, non-hysterical court.

And herein lies the crux of the problem; 97% of judges, juries, lawyers, statisticians, doctors, parents, children, and the american populace cannot be reasonable or impartial about Pedophilia. They don't even know the bloody difference between the act of being attracted to inappropriately aged children and Child-Rape and Murder.

Yes. Yes, all for a fair justice system. I am all for a system that prosecutes and treats all criminals fairly and with an even hand. The problem is human emotion isn't limited to the public. Many people cite that "STUDIES SHOW" Paedophilia is non-treatable and the recidivism rate is through the roof.

Have any of you here read those studies? Can you cite a link to the studies, or are you just regurgitating the crap that has been poured into your brain?

Hell, have any of you even read the Wikipedia pages I linked to? Did you know a great majority of Child-Rape and Murder is committed by NON-Paedophiles who aren't discerning about their victims?

Or hey, did any of you know that a majority of ALL crimes are crimes of convenience, which means that the Criminal personally KNOWS the victim?

The problem with these conversations is that the emotional knee-jerk "Kill the Pedo" crowd don't read anything on the topic. They aren't interested in being passingly familiar with the reality of the situation, or knowing the damn differences in terminology.

No one deserves this! Despite all their crimes and what they have done in their life. I'm not taking anyones side here but its not right at all! People need to think before they take actions!

I have parameters for ya.......you touch any one of my kids.....you hurt anyone in my family and i will be coming for you. Thats the way it should be, we SHOULDNT have to rely on the government or society to take responsibility in areas that are OUR responsibility. .......however that is not how its set up, and the system is broken.....I tell you this, you pass a law that says any man convicted of molesting a child has to spend 10 min in a room with the victims family and see what happens.....wake up america, dont wait on the government to fix your problems.......stand and deliver......

Hello, Review Staff. i realize thaqt you won't be publishing this, but I am propelled to inform you ALL that yes, I agree that this entire proceeding was sad in every way. Lives were ruined by this man and his misdeeds brought out the animal-worst in others to react as vigilantes. Don't misunderstnd me, I also believe he deserved to be dead, but because I happen to be THE very Research Scientist who knows exactly HOW and WHY he was born that way in the first place, I cannot place full blame on HIM, as he had NO input on HOW he was to be forn,

Yes, people are (and I can easily PROVE) BORN the ways they are. This includes rapists, child molestors, wife beaters and the Lot. I can PROVE (and DO prove on a daily basis) it's ALL Genetic in Origin and by my crystal-clear understanding of the Process, I have to ask whether, (given a choice,) ANYONE would ever CHOOSE to be born that way. I cannot fathom ANYONE wanting to be BORN a child molester.

Back in 1977, I discovered, or rather re-discovered the UNKNOWN Genetic Law (which I named "the Julian Coincidence) that accounts for and fully explains HOW and WHY ALL people are BORN with ANY derfect, including those asforementioned. We ALL are "Internally-programmed" to BE who and what we ARE and in Cases like the god-awful pedophile, it's just a damn shame that these "Flukes of Nature" even exist.

Yes, it's absoluytley true that they WILL re-offend, bccause the "Different Drums in their heads" beat non-stop and instruct them to mis-march and do the dastardly deeds that they do and they are driven as if being drawn by a giant magnet, to their mis-deeds. THUS, THE QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF IS...IF WHEN THEY ARE BORN, WITH MY KNOWING HOW TO "READ" AN iNDIVIDUAL'S LIFETIME "PROGRAM INSIDE OF HIM, OR HER, THEN IF OUR GOVRERNMENT HAD ACCESS TO JULIAN, SHOULD THE STATE THEN TERRMINATE THEM AT BIRTH?

To you this will sound much too harsh, ( and i agree) but I can easily PROVE this pre-programmed thing to be FACT and REAL in minute with my Computer Program that I wrote over 31 years ago. When I read of incidents like this one, I cry on the inside because within my Discovereis, I know and would gladsly share with Science, exactly HOW to avoid ALL of such problems BEFORE they surface. Yes, I discovered the KEY to the Germans' "Master Race Program." The truth is, that ANYONE CAN Produce "Super Babeis IF they just know the Julian System and follow it. For ME, pedophiles are just one of countless defectsa at birth that can EASILY be AVOIDED.

Now you'd think that Science would jump on my Discoveries, wouldn't you, but they have done the exact opposite by horselaughing me and tossing my nearly three thousand free offers to share my Finds with countless research organaizations. My claims (to them) sound far too grandiose and bizarre and they toss my mail into the trash, unable to believe that "someone hit the Medical jackpot."

The very first Case I ever processed was a Down's Syndroime and it took me less than thirty minutes to solve its Biological Cause, then later appear before a Statewide Retardation Support Group and PROVE it to them conclusively IN PUBLIC, on the spot, processing THEIR Down's Cases.

You're just read the Venting ofd the most-frustrated man on Earth. I have answers and no one will listen. You just go right ahead and keep this Discussion rolling, even though it will take you NOWHERE, except allowing emotionally-charged and angry, frustrated people to also "Vent."

Alan-Felix Hunt, P.O. Box 3750, Lake Charles, Louisiana, 70602-3750, USA.

Originally posted by TheColdDragon

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Exactly! Of course he has been killed due to his sexual interests, people can say what they want. "A human being is still a human being regardless of what they have done" I'm sorry but some crimes are just unforgivable and when you treat someone so badly and commit such an disgusting act, your rights as a human being disappear.

Inalienable means that no matter how abhorrent the crime, no matter how disgusted and rage-filled you are towards a person, they always have human rights.

Always.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Which will be no one. I'm not aware of anyone on this thread empathising with paedophiles. How is being against vigilante-style murders 'empathising with paedophiles'? The two aren't the same thing at all.

I empathize with Paedophiles. I do not empathize with Child-Rapists or Kid-Killers.

Originally posted by Sonya610

The people that are saying "all killing is wrong!!!" are just as emotional as the ones that say they don't care if the pedophile is dead. In fact perhaps more so.

The death of a human being economically has a negative value, it is the destruction of someone's existence. Whether monstrous or divine, that holds true.

Now, if you don't care about blood on your hands, I can't help you. But don't pretend you are righteous because you're killing the monsters. Blood is blood.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
The problem with your assessment is that whether or not you think anyone against the vigilante-killing of paedophiles is emotional or not - and reading the comments on this thread, I think it's fairly evident who is making the more emotive responses - the people actually against these vigilante groups are asking for non-emotional response justice. They're actually saying, let's take these decisions out of our hands, and put them put the decision in a neutral, non-hysterical court.

And herein lies the crux of the problem; 97% of judges, juries, lawyers, statisticians, doctors, parents, children, and the american populace cannot be reasonable or impartial about Pedophilia. They don't even know the bloody difference between the act of being attracted to inappropriately aged children and Child-Rape and Murder.

Yes. Yes, all for a fair justice system. I am all for a system that prosecutes and treats all criminals fairly and with an even hand. The problem is human emotion isn't limited to the public. Many people cite that "STUDIES SHOW" Paedophilia is non-treatable and the recidivism rate is through the roof.

Have any of you here read those studies? Can you cite a link to the studies, or are you just regurgitating the crap that has been poured into your brain?

Hell, have any of you even read the Wikipedia pages I linked to? Did you know a great majority of Child-Rape and Murder is committed by NON-Paedophiles who aren't discerning about their victims?

Or hey, did any of you know that a majority of ALL crimes are crimes of convenience, which means that the Criminal personally KNOWS the victim?

The problem with these conversations is that the emotional knee-jerk "Kill the Pedo" crowd don't read anything on the topic. They aren't interested in being passingly familiar with the reality of the situation, or knowing the damn differences in terminology.

You are wrong. I'm sorry but your are VERY wrong, they do not have human rights, if you treat someone so inhumanely as described by the OP then you lose any human rights you may have.

Why do you think like this? Your telling me you truly believe that its wrong to kill monsters who rape, torture and kill young children????

Do you not understand the concept of good & bad ? When you did something wrong as a child you got punished for it, to make you learn not to behave like that again.

What in your oppinion should we do then with these sex perverts who "have rights" ? Seriously, are you for real ???

As I have said numerous amount of times in this thread, you wouldnt be saying that if it was your children in question who were the victims, and thats for sure!

Originally posted by Unubuh 
No one deserves this! Despite all their crimes and what they have done in their life. I'm not taking anyones side here but its not right at all! People need to think before they take actions!

What?!?!?!?

So, did the child victims of this monster deserve it? It's fair for them to be mentally disturbed for the rest of their lives, their family and friends yet the attacker in question doesn't deserve this? What planet are you on?

Your talking absolute rubbish mate, without wanting to break the T&C's but you know what, I wish someone did the crimes commited as described by the OP to your mother or little daughter, then maybe you might be able to comprehend what we are talking about.

Your another do-gooder, and I now well of the oppinion that do-gooders are almost as bad to our society as the criminals described by the OP!

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
I have parameters for ya.......you touch any one of my kids.....you hurt anyone in my family and i will be coming for you. Thats the way it should be, we SHOULDNT have to rely on the government or society to take responsibility in areas that are OUR responsibility. .......however that is not how its set up, and the system is broken.....I tell you this, you pass a law that says any man convicted of molesting a child has to spend 10 min in a room with the victims family and see what happens.....wake up america, dont wait on the government to fix your problems.......stand and deliver......

Correct my friend, do you know what I would do if I was in charge? Get the criminal in question in a room, then have a person paid by the government to do exactly what they did to their victim, and I would have every other sex attacker/pervert etc etc in the local area to be in a room watching it.

I'm getting really annoyed listening to the stupid rantings of the majority of do-gooders who have posted in this thread informing the rest of us that peadophile's/rapists/perverts/child sex monsters have rights, so I like to set something straight.

If you murder, rape, sexually abuse a child then you should die, simple as that. Your human rights go straight out the window, if you have the ability to abuse an innocent child in such way then you don't belong on this planet to be fair.

Now I really do not understand why there are people on here sticking up for such sick, twisted, evil individuals.

But I will tell you this, if the people in question sticking up for the criminals had a crime commited to one of their own family then they would not be saying the same thing.

Do-gooders! Give me one good reason why a person who has raped, tortured and mutilated a child should be allowed to live ?

Because their human ? Haha, they aint human if they commited a crime like that! Everyone gets things wrong, but I think your overstepping the mark by far.

reply to post by thebox



Convicted paedophile found strangled and dumped in woods

A local Constable was heard saying..

"Worst case of suicide I've ever seen!".

Regardless of the mans death what i cant understand is why a KNOWN child abuser is even allowed on the streets, for everyones safety these people should be put in mental hospitals where they should remain indefinitely, they have nothing to contribute to society other than pain and misery. Although i dont agree with vigilante's i certainly feel no pity for this guy because if i had children and i caught a man who had abused them i think things could possibly follow the same route.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by fmcanarney

 

There does not seem to be an equitable solution to child molesters.
There is a state in USA that when the criminal sentence is complete the state declares the child molester mentally ill and locks them up in a mental institution for the rest of their life. So they have the criminal sentence to finish and then they stay locked up till they die.

Washington's State has such a program.

McNeil Island

link

Washington state's Supreme Court has ruled that it's permissible to confine sex offenders even after they've served their sentences, as long as they receive mental health treatment that could lead to their release.

Great.
They’re not allowed *out* for life.
But you know what they get?

Room, board, work out facilities, libraries, teachers, social workers, medical care, and more.
Thank you Tax Payers.

Quarterly these animals get their special packages from approved sources such as JC Penny's, LL Bean, Barns and Noble, Amazon, Sounds of America Records, Jewish and Islamic bookstores. Families can order from the above (and more) to send their *loved ones*.

This is abhorrent.
Ok - it’s great they’re kept *locked up*.
If you can’t kill them (as you should in my opinion) - at least keep them away from the public.

But make their life hell.

I don’t care if it’s moving 1 million tons of dog excrement from one side of the yard to the other day after day - make them do SOMETHING - and that does NOT include social parties, let’s go muscle up at the gym, time for my valium, teeth cleaning time, and oh bummer my cholesterol is just sky high again boys!

BS!

You know what the victim is doing?
Paying for their psychiatrist, if they even have one.
Paying for their room, board health care, gym, etc, if they’re lucky.
And if they live in Washington State paying for the *care* of their attacker too!

Ok, I’m going to stop.
This is just too filthy to keep even thinking about.

For anyone in this forum to justify in ANY WAY the rights of a pedophile is the grossest form of ignorance I’ve ever seen. If you do - you need your head examined.

One reason why? Because I bet if it happened to someone close to you - your daughter or son, your brother or sister, etc - you’d be willing to commit murder too. But noooooo, until then you’re just spouting off some bs to hear yourself talk.

We call ourselves a civilized nation - but we keep animals like this in happy hotels - and the victims still have to pay?
We’ll be a civilized nation when all pedophiles are publicly burnt at the stake and the victim gets to live on tax payers money for life.


...taps...

Thank you, your post really is a breath of fresh air amongst the idiotic rantings of the people on here who seem to have no conscience. Sad fact is many sex attackers/etc lead a much better life in prision than some completely law abiding citizens outside of prision.

Originally posted by R-evolve
Regardless of the mans death what i cant understand is why a KNOWN child abuser is even allowed on the streets, for everyones safety these people should be put in mental hospitals where they should remain indefinitely, they have nothing to contribute to society other than pain and misery. Although i dont agree with vigilante's i certainly feel no pity for this guy because if i had children and i caught a man who had abused them i think things could possibly follow the same route.

They should be killed. Or maybe studied and then killed, your correct they have nothing to contribute to society apart from suffering, hurt, pain, death and torture to the most innocent people in the world = children.

Why keep them in mental hospitals costing taxpayers money? If I had a choice not a penny of mine would go to them, actually I'd pay to put them out their misery.

Anyone who reads a crime commited by such an individual and doesn't want to hurt them is basically as bad as them in my oppinion.

I dont care how sex offenders live when they are locked up, as long as the streets are safe. I can understand revenge as a personal issue but i dont believe the state should act that way. Until i had absolute faith that our systems of justice no longer prosecute innocent people then maybe my mind would change as of yet i think we already give them too much power, pointing the finger could cost an innocent man his life. If i took revenge then the state could deal with me but who deals with the state when they abuse their power. I guess what im saying in a poor way is my dilemma is having the death penalty as a law because i dont trust the people who make those laws. I certainly wouldnt shed a tear for the death of a known 100% guilty paedophile though thats for sure.

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I've got a 4 year old. I am also not how one would say an average or typical individual. I've made a study of such behavior, and I've known quite a few people who were victims of such behavior. I've also known several who were instigators.

The fact that you do not want to understand these people speaks towards your own humanity. The fact that you cannot and will not actually learn anything about the topic, you will act only out of emotion and a fear for children everywhere.

Nowhere have I said that Child Rape and Murder is right. All things said and done, to rape and murder is wrong in all cases. Ending a human life, whether Child or Rapist, is wrong.

Yet it is also just as wrong never to understand a situation, but to react merely like an animal in defense of itself. To act sub-human, to act without thought or reason. To let the hind-brain respond for you.

Learn about these people you hate so much. Learn that usually, it isn't Paedophiles who are doing the raping and murdering (But some do the molesting).

You want to kill these people. You don't care if they HAVE done anything wrong, do you? They are other, alien, and unfathomable.

You probably cannot discern the difference between Paedophile looking at Kiddie Porn, Paedophile drawing Kiddie Porn, Paedophile Reading Kiddie Porn and Paedophile Raping babies.

This is the impression that I get from such people; that they are not willing to discern the difference and want all such people murdered in cold blood.

reply to post by thebox


Sounds like justice served.... Let the rest be warned... you will pay.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Convicted paedophile found strangled and dumped in woods

A local Constable was heard saying..

"Worst case of suicide I've ever seen!".

I wonder what that really means?

That police don't care about the paedophile and would like to record it down as something else?

Would cut down the workload.

Perhaps like the survivors, some police don't like the way they have to work around the law or accept inept laws?





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reply to post by TheColdDragon


The only difference between a person who looks at kiddie porn and one that has molested a child is the fact that one of them just hasn't committed the physical offense yet.

I take it that you think it is ok for these sick pukes to get off on looking at children? The children they are looking at are most likely victims already since they are in the porn to begin with. These pervs are just reaping the benefits of some other sick pervert who did the work for them. Just a matter of when they will act on their demented sexual impulses.

I'm sorry to tell you that no argument for this is going to sway my opinion on this matter. I refuse to accept this in our politically correct culture as a sexual preference rather than a demented pervert that has no self control over their urges.

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No, actually it was just a lame attempt at a joke.