Convicted paedophile found strangled and dumped in woods

I would hate to infringe on some sick dudes rights to life, so just shoot me in the head, please so I don't have to put up with people that want to make sure the criminals have more rights than me!!!

Nice to see some replies from people who have some sense! Why we have people sticking up for the rights of child sex beast's I really do not know.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Despite the fact I find paedophilia abhorrent, I can't see how anyone on this site could actually condone this man's murder.

[edit on 10-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]

Perhaps then you're not a parent? If some monster touched my daughter in an innapropriate way, you can bet I'm going to take justice out of his ass.

Here in the U.S. some states actually have a death penalty for men and women who rape children and I say God bless those states and the legislators who had the balls to stand up for what was just and right.

As for a country with no death penalty, I don't see a problem with this method of justice AT ALL. Call me a barbarian if you will.

Originally posted by sos37
Perhaps then you're not a parent? If some monster touched my daughter in an innapropriate way, you can bet I'm going to take justice out of his ass.

That's a strange assumption to make. Because I'm against the vigilante murder of paedophiles, I'm not a parent? Or is your next statement going to be that I must then be a bad parent? Maybe your third statement will be that I must be some kind of paedophile myself?

Here in the U.S. some states actually have a death penalty for men and women who rape children and I say God bless those states and the legislators who had the balls to stand up for what was just and right.

So the American states that don't have the death penalty for paedophiles are wrong? What makes you so sure you're right? Do you think the legislators just flipped a coin on this? 'Heads! No, that doesn't include paedophiles then. Right, who's going to flip for sales tax?'

As for a country with no death penalty, I don't see a problem with this method of justice AT ALL. Call me a barbarian if you will.

Maybe that's because you're an American who believes it's the American way or the highway?

I don't think you're a barbarian, but rather someone that allows emotion to dictate what they think is right and wrong. That's a dangerous path to begin to take.

[edit on 12-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]

reply to post by fmcanarney

There does not seem to be an equitable solution to child molesters.
There is a state in USA that when the criminal sentence is complete the state declares the child molester mentally ill and locks them up in a mental institution for the rest of their life. So they have the criminal sentence to finish and then they stay locked up till they die.

Washington's State has such a program.

McNeil Island

link

Washington state's Supreme Court has ruled that it's permissible to confine sex offenders even after they've served their sentences, as long as they receive mental health treatment that could lead to their release.

Great.
They’re not allowed *out* for life.
But you know what they get?

Room, board, work out facilities, libraries, teachers, social workers, medical care, and more.
Thank you Tax Payers.

Quarterly these animals get their special packages from approved sources such as JC Penny's, LL Bean, Barns and Noble, Amazon, Sounds of America Records, Jewish and Islamic bookstores. Families can order from the above (and more) to send their *loved ones*.

This is abhorrent.
Ok - it’s great they’re kept *locked up*.
If you can’t kill them (as you should in my opinion) - at least keep them away from the public.

But make their life hell.

I don’t care if it’s moving 1 million tons of dog excrement from one side of the yard to the other day after day - make them do SOMETHING - and that does NOT include social parties, let’s go muscle up at the gym, time for my valium, teeth cleaning time, and oh bummer my cholesterol is just sky high again boys!

BS!

You know what the victim is doing?
Paying for their psychiatrist, if they even have one.
Paying for their room, board health care, gym, etc, if they’re lucky.
And if they live in Washington State paying for the *care* of their attacker too!

Ok, I’m going to stop.
This is just too filthy to keep even thinking about.

For anyone in this forum to justify in ANY WAY the rights of a pedophile is the grossest form of ignorance I’ve ever seen. If you do - you need your head examined.

One reason why? Because I bet if it happened to someone close to you - your daughter or son, your brother or sister, etc - you’d be willing to commit murder too. But noooooo, until then you’re just spouting off some bs to hear yourself talk.

We call ourselves a civilized nation - but we keep animals like this in happy hotels - and the victims still have to pay?
We’ll be a civilized nation when all pedophiles are publicly burnt at the stake and the victim gets to live on tax payers money for life.


...taps...

The fact that this sort of killing is so RARE says a heck of a lot in my opinion. Many here say "if someone molested my kid I would kill them" but in truth that hardly EVER happens. It does not happen often because it takes a lot more than just "emotion" to actually do it. Most people (outside of the criminal element) really would not have the balls to carry it out, they would realize that they could easily forfeit their life in the process (i.e. prison).

Actually I suspect this killing could have been a crime of passion, and not revenge. The article said they were looking into the possibility of this guy approaching children and some family member going off on him. The fact the guy was strangled kind of implies it was a sudden act (he was not tied up and tortured).

Originally posted by Sonya610
The fact that this sort of killing is so RARE says a heck of a lot in my opinion. Many here say "if someone molested my kid I would kill them" but in truth that hardly EVER happens. It does not happen often because it takes a lot more than just "emotion" to actually do it. Most people (outside of the criminal element) really would not have the balls to carry it out, they would realize that they could easily forfeit their life in the process (i.e. prison).

I agree with this. Whilst I really don't condone the idea of vigilante violence as 'justice' regarding paedophiles, I also think there's a lot of posts here that is based on 'talk'.

Actually I suspect this killing could have been a crime of passion, and not revenge.

Passion usually described as being extreme or intense emotion and I think that it's that passion that defines the difference between revenge and justice. If someone is killing as a "crime of passion" then that's certainly a revenge killing.

The article said they were looking into the possibility of this guy approaching children and some family member going off on him. The fact the guy was strangled kind of implies it was a sudden act (he was not tied up and tortured).

I'm not so sure. Strangulation is a very 'intimate' form of murder but I'm not sure it suggest that spontaneity is the issue here.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Passion usually described as being extreme or intense emotion and I think that it's that passion that defines the difference between revenge and justice. If someone is killing as a "crime of passion" then that's certainly a revenge killing.

I'm not so sure. Strangulation is a very 'intimate' form of murder but I'm not sure it suggest that spontaneity is the issue here.

I think of a revenge killing as something carefully planned out. This guy had blood on his face, sounds like he might have gotten into a conflict, he was hit in the face and then strangled. Strangulation is a good "spur of the moment" method for someone that does not have any weapons. The way the body was just dumped and hardly conceiled also sort of implies a spur of the moment act. Sounds like they did not even have a shovel handy.

I think emotion is enough to kill. Rage is a powerfull emotion, let's say you want to exact revenge and you use a sharp instrument to do that, but you only intend to wound that person, rage kicks in so does adrenaline, which could cause you to black out, before you know it that intention of wounding has turned to multiple stab wounds. Realization hits adrenaline drops back down, probaly remorse and guilt follows because you did'nt intend to murder. But that primeval instinct took over, sometimes there's a very fine line between manslaughter and murder..

Police are said to have spoken to some of his victims after fears that he had been killed because of his past life of paedophilia.

At least they can breath easy and not have the feeling of looking over their shoulders.

Originally posted by silo13
The only crime I feel vigilantism is justified?
Pedophilia - and anything attached to child porn rings, pimping out children, child sex slaves, etc.
Hunt down the offenders and kill them.
Just keep the parents out of committing the murder.
Those kids need their parents at home and not serving time.
But vigilantism in the case where pedophiles have gotten off with a slap on the wrist.
Where do I sign up?

Do I think vigilantism will stop pedophilia in general?
Nope, and obviously neither does the system we have now.

The difference between the vigilante way and the governments way?
Pedophiles don’t get a second chance with vigilantes. Amen.

Do I think it will save another child's life - killing the pedophile?
Yep - And that’s all the justification I need, for me, to sleep well at night.



...taps...

Good post mate, nice again to see someone else who thinks the way I do.
Let me pose a question to all the posters who seemingly empathize with peadophiles?

If you was walking your dogs through the woods and happened to see a fully grown man or women sexually assualting, torturing and possibly in the process of killing a child, what would you do?

Would you calmy walk over and ask them to stop what they was doing and tell them to remain compliant while your ring the local authorities?

Or would you not do anything and everything in your power to stop the attacker commiting his crime, neutralize him and then ring the police?

I'm really hoping it would be the latter.

Unfortunately we have too many do-gooders in today's society who would happily jump to the defence of said sex monster and defend their rights. It's pretty sad but todays world is completely backwards...

Originally posted by spitefulgod

Police are said to have spoken to some of his victims after fears that he had been killed because of his past life of paedophilia.

At least they can breath easy and not have the feeling of looking over their shoulders.

Exactly! Of course he has been killed due to his sexual interests, people can say what they want. "A human being is still a human being regardless of what they have done" I'm sorry but some crimes are just unforgivable and when you treat someone so badly and commit such an disgusting act, your rights as a human being disappear.

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Good post mate, nice again to see someone else who thinks the way I do.
Let me pose a question to all the posters who seemingly empathize with peadophiles?

Which will be no one. I'm not aware of anyone on this thread empathising with paedophiles. How is being against vigilante-style murders 'empathising with paedophiles'? The two aren't the same thing at all.

This is what happens when reasoning is emotionally-driven: people start getting confused.

reply to post by silo13


Okay. I'm not a parent. I don't condone pedophiles nor vigilantism. But, your line of thinking is dangerous. If you take matters in your own hands, you get executed. Simple as that. Are you any better than the Muslims with their Shariah law? Or Iran for their petty executions? Are you any better than the byzantine medieval Crusaders back in the 14th Century? Are you any better than Castro? Bush? Pol Pot? King John of England? Saddam Hussein? Judas Iscariot? Julius Caesar? George Washington? General Ulysses Grant?

Shall I go on?

Execution is for those who take a life. If the child is abused by a pedophile but still alive, the only justice is life imprisonment without parole.

But here's what makes me sick the most because of people like YOU.

Americans b---h, moan, and whine about our American soldiers killing innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the same time, decry for the death of ONE pedophile.

Who are you really? Hypocrites or Americans with moral standards? You can't have both ways.

And let's say,hypothetically, if the USA gets taken over by the NWO with BlackWater running around in our cities and a pedo violates a child and someone like you takes justice in your own hands because he gets a slap on the wrist.

Guess who's going to die? You and the pedophile both with your brains blown out by snipers. Big Brother will kill both of you. IF BlackWater sees you murdering a pedo in the streets, you won't be able to explain your story to them. To them, you're just another insurgent American playing "Batman" begging to be killed. Even if you tried to take justice in the woods, all they need is a UAV and fire the missile away and you're finished if you try to run and hide.

So really. Are you the 'dumb and swayed' mob from Frankenstein or do you have the sense to stay out of it and let justice do its work? If you don't like the sentencing, tell the judge that. You should blame the judges for the lack of justice, not the pedos alone. The committed the crime and should be charged and sentenced.

So, the moment you take blood in your hands, you already are the murderer looking at an electric chair. You just became your own worst enemy.

And this is why Amerika is lost.


....tapping your TAPS......

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
This is what happens when reasoning is emotionally-driven: people start getting confused.

The people that are saying "all killing is wrong!!!" are just as emotional as the ones that say they don't care if the pedophile is dead. In fact perhaps more so.

Personally this topic does NOT get me all that emotional, I don't have kids and I can't get all worked up over the thought of a pervert the way some others here can. I don't have an emotional investment in this, however I can see that SOMEONE did and that is fine by me.

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
This is what happens when reasoning is emotionally-driven: people start getting confused.

The people that are saying "all killing is wrong!!!" are just as emotional as the ones that say they don't care if the pedophile is dead. In fact perhaps more so.

The problem with your assessment is that whether or not you think anyone against the vigilante-killing of paedophiles is emotional or not - and reading the comments on this thread, I think it's fairly evident who is making the more emotive responses - the people actually against these vigilante groups are asking for non-emotional response justice. They're actually saying, let's take these decisions out of our hands, and put them put the decision in a neutral, non-hysterical court.

The alleged emotions of the anti-vigilante groups doesn't actually come into it!

reply to post by Sanctum1972

Okay. I'm not a parent. I don't condone pedophiles nor vigilantism. But, your line of thinking is dangerous. If you take matters in your own hands, you get executed. Simple as that. Are you any better than the Muslims with their Shariah law? Or Iran for their petty executions? Are you any better than the byzantine medieval Crusaders back in the 14th Century? Are you any better than Castro? Bush? Pol Pot? King John of England? Saddam Hussein? Judas Iscariot? Julius Caesar? George Washington? General Ulysses Grant?

My line of thinking is only dangerous to the pedophile.
Second, Yes, I am better, in the sense that I don’t know one of those people you listed that gave their life for a child.
As far as my history takes me, the men you listed killed in the name of religion, or power, most of them killed for the *likes of men* (religion, power, greed all combined).
I would kill, to save the life of a child.

Execution is for those who take a life. If the child is abused by a pedophile but still alive, the only justice is life imprisonment without parole.

The *child* does die.
The child's life is stolen.
The child's (innocence) dies and can never be (fully) regained.
Ever.
This crime goes on to haunt for the rest of the childs life.
Pedophilia is a crime of a lifetime, not a crime of the moment.

Imprisonment for life? Bah! Too many have gotten out, and done worse once they were out. Some within hours of release abused, tortured and killed again. If you think you’re going to hold any water in that pail you’re going to be mighty thirsty come the end of the day.

But here's what makes me sick the most because of people like YOU.
Americans b---h, moan, and whine about our American soldiers killing innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the same time, decry for the death of ONE pedophile.
Who are you really? Hypocrites or Americans with moral standards? You can't have both ways.

Don’t lump me in to some filthy pigeon hole you’ve got sitting on your shelf.
You know nothing about me - other than my stand on Pedophiles. You don't even know if I’m an American or not.
Plus, this bunch a hog wash in the quote above makes no sense. You say Americans moan and whine over an American soldier killed and then decry the death of one pedophile? This just doesn't’ make sense to me. I’m not *decrying* his death at all, in fact I’d be more than happy to reimburse the shooter for the cost of the bullet.

And let's say,hypothetically, if the USA gets taken over by the NWO with BlackWater running around in our cities and a pedo violates a child and someone like you takes justice in your own hands because he gets a slap on the wrist. Guess who's going to die? You and the pedophile both with your brains blown out by snipers. Big Brother will kill both of you.

You’re off topic and I wont address these issues other than to say - So what. So I‘m dead. So is the pedophile. But he (she) went first.

If you don't like the sentencing, tell the judge that. You should blame the judges for the lack of justice, not the pedos alone. The committed the crime and should be charged and sentenced.
So, the moment you take blood in your hands, you already are the murderer looking at an electric chair. You just became your own worst enemy. And this is why Amerika is lost.

I do blame the judges, and, I do all I can to make sure issues such as this are brought to the judges bench - so to speak.
Working for Adult Survivors of Childhood Sexual Assault. Working with others to ensure pedophiles don’t get out of jail - ever. And more.
But sometimes it takes getting your hands dirty.
Sometimes, when the judicial system isn’t enough, men and women need to stand up and do what needs to get done.
If that means murdering a known pedophile, then so be it.

As for America being lost. Again, off topic, but I’ll try to steer it back around for you.
America is lost when the people don’t stand up for what they believe in. When they keep looking for someone else to save their families, save their children.
The USA didn’t used to be that way.
In fact it wouldn’t be the USA if the founding fathers didn’t set up one of the best legal systems in the world, but, at the same time, not be afraid to get their hands dirty. When doing right meant taking law into their own hands.
One of the worst crimes the USA commits on a daily basis is the housing and care of Pedophiles.
The sentence should be death.
Saving even one child, by killing each and every pedophile out there?
That’s a no brainer.


By the way, it’s spelled AMERICA.

Thanks for taking the time to put your opinion on page.


...taps...

To all who cry for this piece of crap, maybe someday you will feel the pain the children and there family will feel for until they die. I guess there will always be those that feel for the evil more than the victim. As far as the person who did this GOOD JOB. I would wish to be on the jury if this person is caught, because he would be found not guilty.

Another one bites the dust

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
They're actually saying, let's take these decisions out of our hands, and put them put the decision in a neutral, non-hysterical court.

Yes, courts are very very impersonal. They can let people walk over a technicality. Life is personal, killing is personal, rape is personal. You see that is flawed thinking, I see that is reality.