Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found

Originally posted by weedwhacker
I would give my left pinky finger to be able to won a McDonald's franchise (or two or three....or four or five or six)

Well your investment would have gone down the toilet in this case... Close the base... ergo no more people... ergo no one to buy those 'almost meat' burgers... ergo no business... ergo bankruptcy along with your missing pinky... ergo walk away from store without your shirt

all the above = abandoned

But seriously guys... this was covered a long long time ago in this thread...

But then... maybe it was all a dream...

There is no McD... there are no Lunar Orbiter tapes... all one big hoax to get points...

So we shall just fade into the background of obscurity and forget we were ever here....

Just play the video... stare at the screen... and repeat after me... All a dream.... all a dream...



There feel better now?



[edit on 2-10-2008 by zorgon]

Now for everyone else who is seriously interested...

Here is one look into the mindset of Dennis Wingo...

I will post this only once... then later have some comments to add from recent emails...

lib.uah.edu...

Interesting to say the least.

But I have a problem with the prestine condition of the gear sitting in an abandoned McD's, or any other place for that matter.

As a degreed electronic engineer, anything electronic, especially equipment of that era, as it ages the components become so out of tolorance that they become useless to a point of having to replace those aged components. Things like capacitors, solder connections, wire insualtion, belts, motors, coils especially the types of coils used to tune or notch filter or set up an oscillator, will be so old that its more likely the unit will not function at all.

Then there is the obvious "cleanness" appearance of an abandoned McD's building. Looking at other objects in the images, this place appears to have been cleaned on a daily basis ready to curn out hamburgers and fries.

At some point, someone would have seen trucks unloading that huge rack of heavy equipment and loads of tape canisters. Can someone verify that at one time, this abandoned McD's building had trucks and workers unloading this stuff into the place?

And why so suddenly does this come to light when its been a short while regarding the inquery to the alledged missing tapes of moon missions???? I would more likely beleive that the timming of all this seems to be just about right for a fabrication to be constructed.

They might as well parked all that stuff in an abandoned building somewhere on a lonely highway in the middle of nowhere. That would be more believable than some McD building in a town or city bustling with activity and someone would have seen something at some point.

And why would the person discovering this stuff go to No Anomaly Seen Alright anyway? Going to the fox and asking the fox to guard the hen house and expecting the hens to be safe is stupid.

If this person/s who found this stuff wanted funding and if it was a genuine find, they would have been better off not saying anything at all and being like that "Victor" fella and slowly telling their story in interviews and overnight radio talk programs.

An interesting story regardless!! Even tho its old just wanted to put my 2 cents in.

Cheers!!!!

[edit on 2-10-2008 by RFBurns]

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by zorgon

Ahh... ZG! Now I know who's been assisting NASA with the airbrushing! Lol!

Actually Mike I did nothing like that. (they could not trust me to keep secrets of such importance from our needed public knowledge.) I actually made pretty pictures out of experimental test beds sometimes in very early development. My illustrations went to Washington to show the idiot congressmen why the division needed money.

I did have a good buddy who worked for JPL contracts and retouched the images from the first Mars lander. I never asked if he had any orders to obscure anything, but he does not believe in UFO's, so I doubt he ever came across anything in his work.

*******

So, I leave this thread for a few days and it is invaded by people who have nothing better to do than challenge anything moving. I get so turned off by that I leave for weeks sometimes.

All I can say, is if recovering images from decades ago of the Moon is as flaky and unsupported, we might as well just go for new stuff, like the Chinese probe stuff.

RECENT pictures from China's moon probe are not fakes, according to a Planetary Society blogger. Last week the glorious Chinese People's Republic released pictures that they claimed came from China's moon orbiter. However there were rumours that the picture was faked as they appeared to have a startling resemblance to an old one collected from a US space probe. In some quarters it was believed that the Chinese had not got to the moon at all but had released faked pictures in a propaganda attempt to show they had the technology. However, Planetary Society blogger Emily Lakdawalla said that the Chinese had not faked the snap but had retouched it badly. Lakdawalla had a look at the picture that was supposed to have been the one the Chinese copied. It turns out that the Chinese picture was a much higher resolution and shows sunlight streaming from the northwest rather than the north. However when the Chinese stitched together the the 19 strips of imagery to make the final picture they cocked it up. This lead the mission's chief scientist, Ouyang Ziyuan, that the Chinese had discovered a new crater which did not appear on the US imagery. Lakdawalla worked out the crater had been there but had moved from one part of the picture to another. She said that the Chinese mixed together the seams in the pictures and failed to spot the crater. Maybe in the next series of moon images the Chinese retouchers will show us a lunar landscape etched with the images of Mau Se Tung scoring the winning goal in the 1962 World Cup.

Chinese Moon photos real bad retouching?

Oh crap, that's even worse.

OK What about the Clementine stuff?

Clemintine Image Browser

Oh, that's right. They retouched all that too.

OK, who's got a spare billion so we can go there ourselves? I'm tired of these creeps homogenizing and pasteurizing everything for some control agenda.

I wasn't planning this, but when the BIG UFO comes on the 15th, I'm hitching a ride with every camera I can get my hands on and commandeering a shuttle to lunar orbit.

Now where did I put my towel and my Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy???

In a world surrounded by idiots, you just need to do it yourself.

See you all at the orbital news conference.

ZG

reply to post by zorgon


So,is this guy Wingo scanning through these lunar images in the hope of finding a suitable site for a lunar base?

Is that the direction you are pointing us in Zorgon?

Or am i totally misunderstanding the importance of the document?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by ziggystar60
I am also curious, where excactly is this abandoned McDonalds located? And do you have any idea how the missing tapes ended up there?

Jack has been tracking it down... he thinks he knows where it is...

The fellow that sent me the scoop (the photographer) has not yet replied back... I will keep you posted... That is a LOT of footage... it is currently my understanding that he does not intend to just hand them over to NASA... but it sucks that they are already there

holy crap zorgon, this is absolutely mind bottleling! yes, i said it.
truly amzing, i only have to ask, do u want fries with your cover-up?

reply to post by zorgon


awesome! i couldn't help but to view the very center of the spiral vid and i discovered that if u stare at it for over a minute, and look away from your screen, it looks like u are tripping! whoa...sorry to be off topic, but i was wondering if anyone else saw that.

reply to post by scobro


If I may interject to assist answering for Master Z here, the the significance is as both a historical and scientific document.

As such, not only is it in the interest of national heritage, but dubious claims such as the Chinese have made of late can be put to the test.

It is my understanding that originally they were used to find a suitable landing spot for the Apollo missions, but the watered down grainy and fuzzy sets were released to avoid revealing the capability of our spy satellites.

Future missions to put a base on the Moon are alive and well, and it has been agreed that it is to be located at the Lunar south pole.

The importance of this undertaking, to preserve the information on the tapes, cannot be underscored enough. And having its origin in space, like such a project should be conducted, is deep and silent. Steady as she goes, Mr. Sulu.

Originally posted by Enigma Publius
reply to post by zorgon

 

awesome! i couldn't help but to view the very center of the spiral vid and i discovered that if u stare at it for over a minute, and look away from your screen, it looks like u are tripping! whoa...sorry to be off topic, but i was wondering if anyone else saw that.

Congratulations, It is confirmation of a single digit IQ.

Have you ever held a large sea-shell up to your ear? That's freaky too........

regards.....kk

reply to post by kinda kurious

i don't get it.


i guess my sarcasm was lost in the online world, i'll do better next time ma i promise!

reply to post by Enigma Publius


Sarcasm, here on ATS? Wow, that's a new one. Impossible, can't be.

Irony perhaps, but certainly not sarcasm.

If I told you once, I told you a million times, stop exaggerating.


regards.........kk




[edit on 4-10-2008 by kinda kurious]

reply to post by ZeroGhost


I was reading your post and was thinking about imaging sources from past moon missions. I don't know all of them, but I do know a few.. Just thought I would point out a few interesting links.

1) people can download a program called "World Wind" directly (for free) from THIS website. It is basically like a crummy NASA version of google earth but the images of the moon available on this thing are surprisingly detailed. Pretty insane.

2) People can see the amazing imagery from the Japanese "Selene" moon mission HERE at the "Kaguya image gallery".

3) You can access the apollo image atlas (all missions I believe) on THIS website categorized by imaging device and mission number.

4) Some of the very first moon photos can be seen HERE on the NASA website.

5) The official NASA apollo image library can be found HERE

I've been searching for ANY image library for the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter but haven't found anything. It's interesting how the NASA main website layout keeps archived images from being easily accessible too. From what I've seen alot of the image archives from the apollo missions are on external websites (which is odd). If you browse around on the LRO Main website on NASA.com ( HERE ) you will see that there is no image library/archive to be seen anywhere.

I'm not sure how future moon missions will do their imaging, but for all "Planetary Data System" (PDS) computer programs can be found HERE on NASA's JPL website. From what I remember, in order to view all of Clementine imagery NASA provides, you need to get the "Clementine Image Display Version 1.1" on the link I provided. Probably the most important thing I see on that site is "NASAVIEW" which is a shareware computer program developed by JPL. It was developed so that people could view and examine planetary data without needing some kind of license for the software. For more info on "NASAVIEW" go HERE .

-ChriS

Originally posted by BlasteR

I've been searching for ANY image library for the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter but haven't found anything. It's interesting how the NASA main website layout keeps archived images from being easily accessible too. From what I've seen alot of the image archives from the apollo missions are on external websites (which is odd). If you browse around on the LRO Main website on NASA.com ( HERE ) you will see that there is no image library/archive to be seen anywhere.

I'm not really sure but I think that might be because the mission is not set to launch until March.

i have some images you can see, from various missions, of varying size, here:
www.thestargates.com...

reply to post by BlasteR


Images from the 5 Lunar Orbiter missions are available

www.lpi.usra.edu...
(Can't get the link to work. Copy and paste)

and

Here

[edit on 5-10-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage
I'm not really sure but I think that might be because the mission is not set to launch until March.

Your getting cynical in your old age...

Try this gallery

eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

Takes a bit of getting around to find the mission you want and call up the image... but they have ftp access too

You can also browse around in my NASA links database

NASA AND SPACE RELATED SOURCES AND ARTICLE
www.thelivingmoon.com...

[edit on 5-10-2008 by zorgon]

As a somewhat reasonably talented self-taught CNC machinist
and a formally-educated computer science/Video production specialist,
I have an interesting idea that I'll float in ATS for your opinion.....

Since I have a pretty good design for a gyroscopically stabilized
2000 mm optical telecope with 12 megapixel 60fps progressive
scan video camera, could I not point it AT the moon and see what I get
using a very high-flying aircraft?

I do know about the atmospheric distortion and aerosol effects such as
clouds, mists, differeing densities of air that would affect the final image....
so my question for you climatologists out there is how many
feet (or metres) UP do I need to be in order to be free from
atmospheric distortion effects on a 2000 mm scope.

100,000 feet! 200,000 feet! higher?

How far can I scale up in diameter a hemispherical/paraboloid
optical lens before the glass/quartz itself becomes a limiting factor
in resolving power at heights between sea level to 300,000 feet
for the telescope?

At what size/diameter point does a refractor scope assembly
become a necessity for taking pictures of the surface of the moon
equivalent to the lunar orbiter tapes?

And what size refractor/mirror would I need to see resolutions
equivalent to a 1 meter per pixel resolution and 30 cm per pixel Resolution?

Please note my CNC machine has the capability to grind a
72 inch (6 foot) diameter mirror so what's my optimal mirror size
for a telescope to resolve a hi-res photo of the moon's surface?

I have the design and manufacturing capability BUT my optics expertise
quite sucks so any help would be appreciated? Equations
and other optical lens material expertise would be helpful.

reply to post by Phage


That would make sense. No need for arrogant remarks. I don't keep up with everything NASA has on the table and I am not an expert. But thanks.

And thanks Zorgon for pointing out the links. I appreciate it.

-ChriS

[edit on 5-10-2008 by BlasteR]

Originally posted by StargateSG7
The above Black and White photos of reel-to-reel tape of ths Apollo
landing missions look like 14 inch diameter 1 inch wide mag tapes which
are MUCH different than the ones displayed in the McDonald's photos.

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Again what does steve mean by 70mm -- is he talking about FILM
canisters....or actual Magnetic tape. Anyways my estimated weight
calculations still means that we're not seeing the other 1300+ 2" tapes
that SHOULD BE THERE!

This is getting to be interesting.....

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If it's FILM that needs to be transferred - I can DEFINITELY do that!
Since I've done MILLIONS OF FEET of the stuff!!!!

My optical scanning system ALSO works with 8mm to 16mm to
22mm to 35mm to 70mm to large-scale astrographic films...
POSITIVE PRINT ONLY CURRENTLY but I will be expanding into
NEGATIVES into the near future as I tweak my imaging algorithms.

I guess people are just skipping over these questions because they take all the fun out of this theory.

Several of the members whom certain members have made allegations against are actually researchers and consultants within the fields that you have questions about.

As such, you surely cannot expect them to work for free - or do your work for you. Research takes time, Time costs money. Use your own time, do your own research.

I bet you will attempt to further insult their claims when you get the answers you have demanded, saying they fail to meet whatever criteria you have set in your mind and therefore everything they have said is 'bunk'.

You appear to be competent enough to find the answers to the inquires you have been making perhaps you should do the work, google searches and all.... Unless you are just asking ridiculous questions so you can then say they weren't answered or were ignored so that you can then use those instances to detract from the credibility of the main contributors to this thread - probably by pointing out how they refuse to answer your questions and then stating a slanderous opinion of why they didn't answer your ridiculous list of questions. We've seen this before.

*Notice the post immediately after yours & abocwe mine; it is a prime example of what I am talking about. You have started a chain reaction.

Edit: We should consider ourselves lucky to have people such as Zorgon informing us of new discoveries and keeping us updated in regards to their own research.

Those members don't have to include us in their research, but they do. And they do it because they know that others who have an appreciation for the knowledge will eventually find it, yet they do not have to do this. It is best we do not drive them away, it is very rare to have such researchers actively including anonymous persons in their own research.

This sort of opportunity does not come about often. We best enjoy it while we can

[edit on 5-10-2008 by TruthTellist]