Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MorningStar8741

 

This thread? Now I'm curious. I'm really not sure what doubters you're talking about. I thought I've been pretty innocuous in this thread. Maybe I was a little grumpy with Blaster but he's certainly not a doubter.

I answered you in a straight forward way twice. If you saw arrogance there it sounds like you've got a pretty big chip on your shoulder. But yeah, after that I got pretty annoyed.

Hey, so sorry that it bothers you that I wanted a straight answer. It seemed to me that people had questioned the validity of the story several times througout the thread, ie..the abandoned mcdonalds exsisting, being a place to store these, being the tapes in question, etc....

So in reading, it seemed that what you were saying was that you were 100% sure it was true but that was all based on hearsay. I just wanted to clarify that what you were saying in reality is that you are not 100% sure, you just believe this story. There is a difference and if it was 100% then it was worth following. If it is just a story with some pics, as has been suggested, then I can move on. Sorry that it took so many times to get to the bottom of whether or not you really do know.

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Whoa. Back up the truck.
Wasn't it explained early on that the "Original" film was scanned aboard the Lunar Orbiters?
And that the Lunar Orbiters were sacrificed and crashed into the moon?

Yup that about covers it. To get the originals would require a trip to the moon and sift through forty years of Moon Dust for the scrap



Thanks for paying attention

Will be out of town till the 15th ... so will update this when I get back...

And with any luck the Oct 14th scam will be over and we can get back to 'normal' around here

Originally posted by StargateSG7
If somebody has ANY IDEA of where the ORIGINAL FILM is
I'll take care of the rest...

Weell, lessee here *cracks knuckles*

I have a small group that possess the capability of putting a modest form of conveyance to the Moon on the drawing board...

And if anyone wishes to ante up 30-40M, we could have ourselves an interesting field trip in about two years time!

It used to be 30M, but I am factoring in overruns with the economic meltdown.

So Zorgon, why do you think it will be over on the 14th? Or are we talking about the same thing here? I think mine was Sept 23rd to Oct 14th, according to the prophet I ran into at a Jack In The Box. He got it all wrong though, but that is a different story.

reply to post by zorgon


All data has been removed from YouTube and Flickr.

Is there any update to the story? You post on September 22, 2008 is the last one...

Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found

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reply to post by kinda kurious


I did NOT know that the 70mm films are now kaput and probably
crashed into a billion pieces somewhere on the moon....BUT...who's to
say the films (although bulky) weren't put back into the command module
and came back home with the astronauts....for all we know the 70mm films
are somewhere in an underground vault at Wright Patterson AFB where
lots of secret stuff gets stored mostly underground!

I personally don't know one way or another BUT it would be
an interesting intellectual exercise to see if we can find them
IF they exist....!!!

Otherwise we'll have to wait & see regarding the old videotapes
which are to be transferred ***slowly*** --- Hate to say this or
to disparage someone who really IS trying hard to bring our history
to life and to the forefront......BUT....my equipment is much better
than his and I have much more powerful video-centric computing
systems that would be far faster and get us a far higher video
transfer quality than the FR-900 machines that are being used now!

I am open to using my equipment Gratis (i.e. Free!) if he's willing
to ship me some tapes for transfer to uncompressed SDTV/HDTV
resolution in Quicktime or AVI format.

email me at

[email protected]

for any video transfer help needed!

Originally posted by StargateSG7
reply to post by kinda kurious

 

I did NOT know that the 70mm films are now kaput and probably
crashed into a billion pieces somewhere on the moon....BUT...who's to
say the films (although bulky) weren't put back into the command module
and came back home with the astronauts....for all we know the 70mm films
are somewhere in an underground vault at Wright Patterson AFB where
lots of secret stuff gets stored mostly underground!

These tapes are not from the Apollo missions, they are from the 5 Lunar Orbiter missions whose purpose was mapping landing sites for the Apollo missions. The Orbiter missions were unmanned and there never was any intention of retrieving the original film. That is why the onboard scanning and transmission to Earth was done. The the spaceraft and original film was destroyed on impact at several thousand mph.

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

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reply to post by zorgon

ive been skipping over this thread.. because from the title I knew it was b.s. but I finally clicked on it today.. and sure enough.. what a load of garbage.. nasas sophisticated laboratories include an abandoned mcee dees oh yeah.. thats believable.. oh.. guys.. you wanna take all that film that we shot during the apollo mission over to 3rd street and stack it in the empty mcdonalds building .. we got no room for it here.. and its cluttering up the joint.... oh .. after you dump it off.... stop at wendys and get me a burger will ya.. .. thanks..

Originally posted by philjwolf
reply to post by zorgon

 

ive been skipping over this thread.. because from the title I knew it was b.s. but I finally clicked on it today.. and sure enough.. what a load of garbage.. nasas sophisticated laboratories include an abandoned mcee dees oh yeah.. thats believable.. oh.. guys.. you wanna take all that film that we shot during the apollo mission over to 3rd street and stack it in the empty mcdonalds building .. we got no room for it here.. and its cluttering up the joint.... oh .. after you dump it off.... stop at wendys and get me a burger will ya.. .. thanks..

How dare you question this story. That completely shatters Phages defense that I alone am the jerk here because noone else was questioning the story. Tsk Tsk.

reply to post by StargateSG7


Maybe you actually over quoted the lower amount in pounds and what was really meant was 4,800 lbs. A misplaced zero?

Oops sorry! You'r right. I was for some reason thinking of the Apollo missions
instead of Lunar Orbiter satellite-style of craft going to the moon.

Anyways, the resolution of the 70mm film images was only 2 meters
and 20 metres so the quality would have basically sucked compared
to what we have today at 15 cm, 30 cm and 1 metre resolutions.

Even with the lack of atmosphere, the basic glass/quartz optics at the time
would have been problematic since there wuld have been lens distortion,
achromatic aberations, lens breathing (if they're zoom lenses and not
fixed focus) and other issues that are pretty much gone from modern
CNC-machined lenses and accesories with accuracies of 1/100,000th
of an inch.

Oh well there goes my original idea....I guess we'll have to
keep waiting for the video tape transfers to be made public!

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by dreadphil

 

as we speak 500 boxes of tapes from the actual moon landings are missing.the article is called one giant blunder for man kind ,look it up

"But the searchers may be running out of time. The only known equipment on which the original analogue tapes can be decoded is at a Goddard centre set to close in October, raising fears that even if they are found before they deteriorate, copying them may be impossible."

One Giant Blunder
--->They can't burden themselves to move the equipment?
"
Your guess is a good as mine as to where they are."

---> Salt mine? (had to)

Not to change the subject from here of which the technological imputs are very facinating to read. But--what is wrong with us? The place that has the equipment is going to close. The equipment has to die with the building? This is the professionalism of our space/science departments? OMG. How'ever did we ever get into space???
I hope somebody is 'on' this Goddard centre machine deal.

As a side note. The article says the tapes spent some time at National Archival. Would it not then make sense for National Archival to have the machinery (as in get from Goddard) neccesary to 'view' the product?

Great America-you shame me.

Back on with your bad selves.

reply to post by HugmyRek


This would be a good time to re-post this piece of the "puzzle". It's in this thread a couple of times but buried quite deep.

lunarbase.rutgers.edu...

reply to post by Phage


Totally missed that (not that I don't have it lol), how many of GLEP are still kickin'?

Was this proven to be phony?

I had been following along but lost track, now reading through the posts I am confused.

Thanks.

reply to post by Electro38


No, it wasn't.

Patience, when the OP returns from his sabbatical more Moon dust will get stirred up.

Regarding this quote....

"But the searchers may be running out of time. The only known equipment on which the original analogue tapes can be decoded is at a Goddard centre set to close in October, raising fears that even if they are found before they deteriorate, copying them may be impossible."

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MY ANSWER --- Absolute Rubbish !!!!

Who needs old analogue video tape recorders when an optical-transfer
system using Video waveform detection & reconstruction is here and now!
...and would be of FAR HIGHER quality...!!!

The tapes on an these transfers are PROBABLY NTSC video format
at 29.97 frames per second (or an older Black&White format) which
means the magnetic particle format laid out on the tape is in a specific
configuration that indicates where and when a video line and video frame
starts and stops (i.e. Horizontal Blanking Interval). This would allow
a video camera attached to an optical microscope than can pan & scan
across the tape at say one to 10 millimetres per second could
autostitch the multiple tiny photos of a video frame as represented
by the magnetic particles printed on the tape into a large bitmap
which is then OCR'ed to detect individual video lines and frames
and then reconstructed into an uncompressed
RGB frame containing the original imagery.

It's not that hard and I already have the software to do the OCR
and the scope and bitmap auto-stitcher...YES it's a bit slow at a few
millimetres a second BUT with 10 or 20 of the machines I could do the
job in a few weeks at a MUCH HIGHER quality because I can filter
out tape noise and physically not have to run a damaging video head
at 600 to 1800 RPM across flaky and old oxide tape.

So even IF the centre closes and the older video transfer machine
goes KAPUT we can STILL transfer OLD films and VIDEO no matter
the format becuase we DO NOT need a complex mechanical VTR
when we can use the power of LIGHT and computer DSP to do
the job BETTER and FASTER!

First off I'm new on ATS so been playing catch up on some of these topics that interest me. No I have not read every single post on this thread.

Secondly I used to be a private pilot and know a little about weight and flight. I also drove the big semi trailer rigs (80,000 pounds gross)
48,000 pounds of film? That is 24 tons. How did all of that extra weight come into play for the launch, and even more important, how did that extra weight play into recovery, return, of the capsule with the astronauts and 24 tons of film?
Developing film in space? How? Where did they have room? How is the weight and storage figured into all of this? What about the added weight of the processing equipment?

I don't buy into any of this. That Mcdonalds youtube video is gone now. Hmm...maybe the illuminati raided it?

I DO believe that:
1 Yes, NASA, is releasing low quality images and tampering with those.
2 NASA is keeping the high quality Moon and Mars images and not releasing them to the public domain.
I DO believe that we are not alone. Still looking for more evidence...

Originally posted by StargateSG7
Regarding this quote....

I tend to agree. I think the tapes are there. I think the equipment is there. I think the "missing tapes found", "classified" hype is just that. Sensationalism.