Aiken County deputy fired, arrested *Video*

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I beg you to repost these...

You're an honourable creature.

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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
If you had amnesia for one day, and on that day you read back through this thread, I'd bet the house that you wouldn't agree with you.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. -Sir Winston Churchill

That one's for you! As for me, I over rule my first instincts with better sense.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You didn't respond to the list I wrote.

Thy will be done.

reply to post by SteveR


Now those weren't anything but erroneous conjectures. You want me to spread the fair game love to the thug too? Okay, he should get a job and contribute to the society he is living in. However, those would just be me assuming he doesn't contribute based on my assumptions. Where's the solid proof? The debate was about who was more in wrong. It was polarized from beginning. If you want me to break down the wrongs and rights of the entire scene, okay I can do that. But in the interim, I was holding the cop more accountable become he has the power to control the situation. And I disagree with you that he is excused if he has been beaten down by thug activity and he in no longer civil and patient with his subjects.

It's as the cop said. Why do you think I'm working? etc. Because I'm white? . The cop delivered an important point and it set the guy off like a firework.

The cop delivered an important point? Are you aware that your examinations are only real inside your own mind. You speak as if all parties considered what you've discerned at the time of incident.

Are you affected by your disgust of what you see on a regular basis, and are contaminated from seeing this situation in it's purity? Just asking.

Because, other than that, I am surprised to read your words.

AAC

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
If you had amnesia for one day, and on that day you read back through this thread, I'd bet the house that you wouldn't agree with you.

A nice but insidious quote from an insidious leader.

AAC

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The ironic part is that I meant to quote the churchill hill quote.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Now those weren't anything but erroneous conjectures.

You saw it and ran.

Nice easy dismissal. Nothing to be proud of here...

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
The debate was about who was more in wrong. It was polarized from beginning. If you want me to break down the wrongs and rights of the entire scene, okay I can do that.

Ohh move beyond wrongs and rights! You are dumbing yourself down with such precepts. There is a bigger picture worth considering, and liberals like you predictably demonstrate aversion to it.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
And I disagree with you that he is excused if he has been beaten down by thug activity and he in no longer civil and patient with his subjects.

It can be a consideration, can it not.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
The cop delivered an important point?

The cop knows these people better than anyone. His questions and advices hit it out of the park. Lorenzo should be thankful for this encounter.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Are you aware that your examinations are only real inside your own mind.

As are your dismissals. They carry even less weight as the rebuttal is nonexistant. I hope my vision never narrows likes this.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You speak as if all parties considered what you've discerned at the time of incident.

I speak of the things that are ostensibly on the cop's mind and anyone's who lives and endures similar scenarios. LoneGunMan knew straight away what this whole thing was about. I generally trust their judgements over detached ivory tower dwellers.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Are you affected by your disgust of what you see on a regular basis, and are contaminated from seeing this situation in it's purity?

Everyone is affected my friend. It is strictly YOUR opinion on whether this affection is contamination or truthful insight.

Your lines are screaming detached liberal, btw. Do you enjoy playing the PC role?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Because, other than that, I am surprised to read your words.

Such suprise is a liberal characteristic when confronted with hard truths.

Please come down from the tower and spend some time in the 'hood. Or literally anywhere that may educate you on some law and order social issues. And no, not white trailer parks.

Acclimatize yourself so you know better of which you speak.

To everyone refercing that this man punched an officer, he did not. The man in the black shirt is Lorenzo. When the cop walked off to the left to question one of his peers, who turned out to be Leon Patterson, someone who engaged in a forceful confrontation with another deputy. The officer asked him what came of it, and the Leon stated he got off, to which the officer expresses his doubt.

People need to listen to the audio more. Lorenzo did not approach anywhere near shouting in the officers face. His voice was mildly elevated compared to the officers continous shouting. Again he did have his hands on the vehicle at the time. The female deputy appeared quite anxious the whole time to me, leading me to believe that she was holding her dissaproval of the officers behavior, but did not want to call it out like many other sensible officers because the bad guys pounce on the good ones like wolves when they dont walk the same dirty path.

Lorenzo did not shout in the mans face. The topic of race was brought up by the officer, and Lorenzo was not in fact takign the bait. He was simply responding he don't know. They were walking from a house. Nothing to imply it was anything but someones home.

I want to see the Liberals thoughts on this. Do tell how they were forced and goaded into it by an oppressive society.

A wolf pack of at least 30 thugs viciously attacked two hero ex-Marines in Brooklyn after they rescued a teenage girl who was being assaulted, police and witnesses said yesterday.

And when the brother of one of the former servicemen tried to come to his rescue during the July 25 melee in Coney Island, he was beaten into a coma.

Those in the crowd were yelling, 'Hey, white boys, you're in the 'hood now!'

sweetness-light.com...

What is your position? Could you please define it? You are merely redefining people's words with your own comprehension, and then fire it back as an absolute.

I see everything you're saying, but you have no proof but the video that shows a nano-fraction of the entire story. The victim of assault had no record. You continue to omit this from your consideration. Also, the cop was fired for repeated abuse. Another fact you ignore. However, you effortlessly disassemble people's sympathy for a defenseless citizen (no matter if you hate the culture), and quickly side with the only person that could have eased the entire scene, while still conducting his business.

You are defending the same scum in which you chastise from another angle. This guy was masterbating his ego the entire time in front of the girl, which he probably had a crush on (here is me assuming).

How can you belittle our points of view when all we are saying is simply this, "THE COP HAD THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE SCENE." But he didn't, he abused the situation and in the end he got stung. This is not injustice. If it is to you, it is because you are filling in the blanks to make it that.

Don't you think the department had the whole story and acted accordingly? It's like you built the entire story on this video and you refuse to allow more of the truth in. Hey, that sounds like christianity.

That's all I'm saying...

AAC

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You want us to generalize on a case to case basis's? I could get whiplash. Don't get lost in the examples and forget about the real deal.

AAC

That crowd of ignorant fools had nothing to do with this innocent young man , a worlds apart for that matter. Off topic post IMO, irrelevant to the situation.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
What is your position? Could you please define it?

Let's use one of your own examples. The two Americas argue all the time. The third is increasingly vocal but too gives up with despair. Did definitions resolve this? On the contrary, definitions fuel it.

Some friends don't discuss politics. There is a good reason. But I expected you to lift yourself that little bit higher and examine this with neutrality. However, it was a done deal when you saw the throat strike. Now you feel as if you're supporting the right and just side... and your thought stops there.

I suspect your missing something in the ingredients of a wiser, more conservative mind. I will continue the hunch to say this is self-inflicted on your part. You are a fair man, but you rarely allow yourself to consider the seemingly darker aspects of a wrong position. Perhaps if you did, you'd see more light.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I see everything you're saying, but you have no proof but the video that shows a nano-fraction of the entire story.

The video is a second in the day of PC America. I identify the same problem across the western world. The 'entire story' you speak of is a patchwork quilt, not a bare thread.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
The victim of assault had no record. You continue to omit this from your consideration.

Many criminals and, to use your words, bad guys, have no record. At least to start with. I omitted the irrelevant, and now I have explained for you one of these irrelevancies.

You will chase anything that appeals to the feel sorry for victim impulses, yes? Nothing but false compassion to distract you from truths.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Also, the cop was fired for repeated abuse. Another fact you ignore.

Let's dispell some dangerous assumptions before they take root. The cop was not an abuser of black gangsters, not a violent hater. It's obvious if you spend a moment to listen to part 2 & 3 of the video. Whatever incidents occured before were therefore not in a pattern of prejudice, so are of less concern.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
However, you effortlessly disassemble people's sympathy for a defenseless citizen (no matter if you hate the culture)

I don't hate the culture, I think it's dangerous for both sides of that cultural divide. It is obvious to me that Lorenzo's defenses were his mouth and demeanour. Both of which he used in an aggressive derisive fashion. Cops are taught to control and subdue, not act passively in the face of a potentially life-threatening situation.

What am I refering to? Perhaps being in the middle of the hood surrounded by numerous gangsters getting out of cars and gathering nearby, with a known police assaulter standing behind him right next to the car with a female officer. The cop needed to be a beacon of authority in such a situation.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
and quickly side with the only person that could have eased the entire scene

Eased it how? By displaying weakness in the face of aggression? Naive.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You are defending the same scum

This is uncalled for... how can you expect to reason with me when you display such sentiment for the very same human being I'm talking about?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
How can you belittle our points of view when all we are saying is simply this, "THE COP HAD THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE SCENE."

And control it he did!

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Don't you think the department had the whole story and acted accordingly?

It's painfully obvious that the PC crowd, represented by organizations like the ACLU and others, interfere in these situations incessantly and bully their victims into submission. If for some stunning reason you are unaware of these influences, I suggest you read about them.

The Sheriff did what was necessary to keep his own job. It is that simple. Police from the same department have voiced their opinions that the Deputy did nothing to warrant losing his livelihood for.

And those officers are the same ones who contribute to this kind of unlawful activity. If the Officer did nothing wrong, he woudl not have been fired.

If the officer had seen you jaywalking (an actual offense), and you decide to look him in the eyes as he asks to state your objections, and then you were subsequently assualted in the throat, quite forcefully for that matter I am sure you would be singing a different tune.

The irony is this young man in fact did not break any law. I beg to wonder what kind of opression you yourself have comitted in the past. Only an opressor supports another opressor.

Originally posted by DYepes
I beg to wonder what kind of opression you yourself have comitted in the past. Only an opressor supports another opressor.

Refuse to compromise. Refuse to listen and understand. Refuse to acknowledge a controversial issue. That's right, just go straight for personal defamation. Give it a break.

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
From what I can gather...

It's easy to look good when you make lists.

especially when the list is full of reasonable facts, right? Sure beats the list from your angle, full of prejudice undertones. This thread has been enlightening, in that it has provided some light into the darkness of your ignorance. I found it to be fascinating, as you clutch to your ad hominem fallacies and straw men arguments to debate an actual event that has already been brought to justice. Keep it up, I'm wondering how long you could possibly draw this out, lol.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by scientist]

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Im sorry but if you think this is bad you must live in the burbs lol
and as far as the black white thing...I did less then him and was treated far worse and im white as could be

reply to post by scientist


Steve is a great friend of mine, so I can vouch for his intelligence. However, his position goes to show that some perspectives get lost in the position we're trying to defend. I truly believe that we would all agree on most of the humanity-based points, but it is the sub-surface semantics, imo, that keep us from reach our common ground. We do have common ground, but we are refusing to reach it for some reason.

We all know the cop was a jerk.
I agree that he is working a war of attrition job, but I don't agree it should affect him.
The kid was not respecting him, but the cop gave him no reason
We do not live in a perfect world, and can't expect each situation to work perfectly, but we must always aspire for such. We should never get to the point where we justify our shortcomings into perspectives, especially when your a police officer.

Each of our arguments are polarizing the scene, when the scene is obviously permanently in the gray area. Let's meet in the middle, not otherwise.



AAC

reply to post by bugs_n_recovery


So? This is not a end all be all event. Just because this happened doesn't mean it always happens, or only happens to certain people. It means it happened and we're analyzing this event specifically. There is no need to bring outside generalizations in.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
We all know the cop was a jerk.

If your reducing scum to jerk, I guess I can reduce gangster to young fool. Is better?

reply to post by SteveR


Deal!

AAC

Wow. This thread turned wierd........ones debate is another ones "hugging, because were friends".

You know, the main point is there is a difference between a Good Cop and a Bad Cop. It all comes down to which is more prevalent. I would say it depends on the TREND. Most cops become a FAMILY. When the family turns a certain way, if the rest don't follow, those who don't follow are chastized.

There is a serious issue in regards to cops becoming so powerful in there powers that it can turn a Good Cop bad. When the time comes that a Presidential order comes down the lines to implement Martial Law, will you be so complacent then??? As soon as you are forced to pull into a check point to "show your papers" I hope you become a little more sceptical. I can't imagine you will have the same viewpoint when this actually happens.

You may say, "it hasn't happened yet, so how can you possibly say it will happen". Well, there is the "Presidential Order" which spells out the reason it will happen.