Aiken County deputy fired, arrested *Video*

Originally posted by wytworm
With all due respect Steve, the cop's attitude and conduct shouted 'I AM A FAT WHITE RACIST COP' throughout he video in all caps.

What respect? You imply there is something wrong with being white? You wouldn't be the first on this ugly thread. :shk:

Originally posted by Nola213
Never ever would I leap up in a cops face and not expect to get smacked down.

Nor I. If I was the cop, I would smack that guy down too. 100% warranted. Bang, lights out homeslice!

Originally posted by Nola213
This kid is prolly gonna get paid, and this servant of the people, who obviously had a bad day gets fired? Just don't seem right.

What is right in this cotton candy PC world? Society sold the cop out. It makes me sick. It is mentally ill.

Originally posted by Nola213
lets try and make some money here, by trying to entice the officer to assault him.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You lost all credibility after this conjecture. Stop designing the situation to fit into your explanation.

And your rich white boy naivety decimates YOUR credibility. Get real!

The black kid found the entire episode funny. From the beginning, right to the end. Where did the sudden aggression come from? You would have to be seriously biased to buy it. This was one big joke. Finnin' to get paid, nothing more nothing less. Because of people like you AnAbsoluteCreation and wytworm, the public servant lost his job over this gangster. It is true, it's damn true. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Do you think that guy gives a crap about you? He is laughing his ass off right now with the big fat check out of your law-abiding taxpayer pockets. He even exhibits premeditation. What more proof do you need?

[edit on 2008/9/20 by SteveR]

Originally posted by SteveR

What respect? You imply there is something wrong with being white?

He did not imply that.

You wouldn't be the first on this ugly thread. :shk:

Nice attitude. I believe you have contributed to the negative turn to this thread.

If I was the cop, I would smack that guy down too. 100% warranted. Bang, lights out homeslice!

Perhaps you'll have to sign up when the martial law police start recruiting.

What is right in this cotton candy PC world? Society sold the cop out. It makes me sick. It is mentally ill.

To overlook this officer complete lack of respect and common good, reveals a deeper bias towards the kind of "thugs" in this video. To justify the reasons he is angry, rather than advocating self-control in a pressured moment is a bit fishy. Again, this cop had a history of excessive force. Would you have defended the Gestapo as well?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You lost all credibility after this conjecture. Stop designing the situation to fit into your explanation.

And your rich white boy naivety decimates YOUR credibility. Get real!

Rich? Um. Spent first 18 years of my life in a crime rich trailer park. That's as real as it gets. It is authority and respect that these cops desire, and they are offended when they don't get it.

The black kid found the entire episode funny. From the beginning, right to the end.

It was funny. He was doing NOTHING. Had ZERO criminal record. Walking in an area where he LIVES. Is that his fault he is forced to live in slums? To him, the cop was arbitrarily harassing him, which only further galvanized the stereotype that Blacks should be afraid of cops. So he was laughing, so what?

Because of people like you AnAbsoluteCreation and wytworm, the public servant lost his job over this gangster. It is true, it's damn true. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

You're lost in bitterness right now, imo.

Do you think that guy gives a crap about you?

Who cares? i base my judgement on love and respect. The cop was in the position to offer respect and he refused. You are the mistaken one here, unfortunately.

He is laughing his ass off right now with the big fat check out of your law-abiding taxpayer pockets. He even exhibits premeditation. What more proof do you need?

[edit on 2008/9/20 by SteveR]

Bitter.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
He did not imply that.

He can speak for himself.

It is very telling that the words "white", "fat", "racist" have been cropping up on this thread alot. Your tolerance of it is troubling.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Nice attitude.

I believe you have contributed to the negative turn to this thread.

The thread stinks. I stand for what is right. So are others. If the perspective is unwelcome all you have to do is say.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Perhaps you'll have to sign up when the martial law police start recruiting.

Irrelevant. As are the Nazi comments.

Originally posted by SteveR
What is right in this cotton candy PC world? Society sold the cop out. It makes me sick. It is mentally ill.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
To justify the reasons he is angry, rather than advocating self-control in a pressured moment is a bit fishy.

Irrelevant evasion. Did you also advocate self-control to these pretend gangsters with the same vigor as you called for "extreme punishment" for the cop? I haven't seen it yet.

Bad show AAC.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Rich? Um. Spent first 18 years of my life in a crime rich trailer park.

And where are you now? I know. I also know your perceptions fit your situation. Lose the naivety. We aren't talking about trailer parks. You are doing more harm than good here.

You severely condemned the cop straight away, and you think your coming across with well balanced insights??

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
It is authority and respect that these cops desire, and they are offended when they don't get it.

Correction. They have authority invested in them by the state. Anyone not looking for trouble would show them a basic level of respect, not meeting their presence with laughter and provocation. K?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
It was funny. He was doing NOTHING. Had ZERO criminal record. Walking in an area where he LIVES. Is that his fault he is forced to live in slums?

You should pick your words more carefully, you are revealing yourself here. He is forced to live in slums?? Whoa. You are to the left of Barack Obama.

He is forced to swagger around dressed like a cookie cutter hiphop gangster? He is forced to laugh at the police? Forced to associate with known cop assaulters? Answer this!

It's as the cop said. Why do you think I'm working? etc. Because I'm white? . The cop delivered an important point and it set the guy off like a firework.

Not that I find the anger particularly convincing. As he said later, he is gettin' paid!

Originally posted by SteveR
Because of people like you AnAbsoluteCreation and wytworm, the public servant lost his job over this gangster. It is true, it's damn true. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You're lost in bitterness right now, imo.

Irrelevant. I spoke facts that you refuse to face. Bad show AAC!

Individuals like you cost the guy his job. That is not something to be proud of at all, neither is posting gloat threads. The situation was already resolved to your satisfaction.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
The cop was in the position to offer respect and he refused.

The cop offered to drive away if he pulled his pants up - and then started to drive away - but was jeered at. Who do you think you're kidding?

Originally posted by SteveR
He is laughing his ass off right now with the big fat check out of your law-abiding taxpayer pockets. He even exhibits premeditation.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Bitter.

Irrelevant. Again, I post facts that you refuse to face. Bad show AAC!

Real bad show.

[edit on 2008/9/20 by SteveR]

reply to post by EvilBat


Thank you so much for posting these. It really vindicates the position of the cop. "I wanted to set up a drug bust and I got thug patrol!" he's funny.

He treated the black guy with some respect. "I'll be glad to help you out if you talk to me. I'll be glad to work with you. I don't think you're a dummy I think you're making some wrong choices. It's hard to erase it, it's hard to change it later."

Black guy (regarding the drugs): "I'm not an informant."

Attitude!

and everyone wonders why black people still think this is a racist society. this video won't be shown on bill o'reilly's show on the fox channel, that's for sure. and these type of retards are the ones that voted for bush. this must make the republicans with half a brain cringe.

[edit on 20-9-2008 by jimmyx]

reply to post by truthed


It has nothing to do with color! It has everything to do with the way you carry yourself in public. What would you say If I told you I am black? I am not defending this cops actions. I am just pointing out where the problems and perceptions start and it causes stereotypes in every race. I just don't understand i guess.

That cop was acting like a jerk and created tensions by talking down to the man. Looked very unprofessional, like he was purposly looking to create trouble.

And then to push and arrest the man for acting like anyone would after beeing treated like that. Its the cops fault, and he needs to change.

Hope he gets some punishment, and the sivilian gets an apology etc.

reply to post by GAOTU789

To judge every cop by this clown isn't fair... There are(and I know) bad ones but they are the minority, regardless of your opinion.

I do not believe that they are in the minority any longer. And it's beyond "bad cops" now anyway. Take for example the Utah patrolman who tased the kid in front of his young family. I have shown this video many times before, but once again, the real revelation seeing this whole thing un-fold is the fact that the cop doesn't really seem like a bad guy at all. In fact, he seemed pretty "cool" when he first walked up to the car. But what he wound up doing was very wrong, and he should have lost his shield for it.



And then there is this video. I especially like it in the end when all of these "good cops" laugh heartily about an innocent woman being shot in the back and face for exercising her constitutional rights and had broken no laws whatsovever.




As far as your examples go, I don't see much more than a dedicated PR campaign, just so people can do what you just did and say "see, cops are good people." You are aware that even the Hell's Angels and John Gotti have done charity campaigns, and have hosted community events? Does that make them "good" people too?

The only one that stands out there in my mind, is the one where the cop stopped to save the kid who was having the seizure. It was a very heroic thing, and he is due credit, but not because he is a cop. That could just as easily have been anyone passing by. I don't wear a shield or a uniform anymore, but I saved a kid who was drowning in a pool this summer. A few years back I assisted by defibrillating a man who had had a heart attack. I have helped plenty of people in and out of uniform. I'm not tooting my own horn here, I am trying to point out that I still see no correlation with the police and righteousness. Coincidentally, most of them time that I have helped people when I was in uniform, was when I was off-duty going in or going home. Go figure. Maybe the few remaining "good cops" should become paramedics and firefighters.


[edit on 9/20/0808 by jackinthebox]

[edit on 9/20/0808 by jackinthebox]

Originally posted by SteveR
The cop offered to drive away if he pulled his pants up - and then started to drive away - but was jeered at. Who do you think you're kidding?

The cop offered FASHION ADVICE!!! Sagging is not against the law in Aiken County...

SO the cop offered what amounts to fashion advice, then says if its not followed he would take them to jail. I would have laughed at the cop to.

Sagging = not illegal
Walking in the neighborhood = not illegal

The cop was out of line as soon as he stopped these guys for make believe crimes.

I'm sorry that you think the cop was justified in this, as you obviously don't care about people's rights. Perhaps one day the constitution will be eliminated and your cops can stop everyone for whatever reasons they feel. Until then, they'll have to wait for people to actually break the law.

Originally posted by SteveR
He treated the black guy with some respect. "I'll be glad to help you out if you talk to me. I'll be glad to work with you. I don't think you're a dummy I think you're making some wrong choices. It's hard to erase it, it's hard to change it later."

Black guy (regarding the drugs): "I'm not an informant."

What he's saying is "Be an informant and I won't continue to harass you" (blackmail??) The guy says "no". I believe the guy has a right to not say anything at all to the cop...


[edit on 21-9-2008 by XTexan]

The cop seemed to be looking for a confrontation after he thought this was the same guy that "punched a sargent".

He goaded the guy to "Look me in the eye and say that.."

The guy looked him in the eye and said that. Just as the cop told him to..

IMO - the cop knew exactly what he was doing and got exactly the reaction he wanted.

Originally posted by XTexan
The cop offered FASHION ADVICE!!!

Uhm. That's the difference in our understanding. Predictably, your position is the same as the ACLU.

The American Civil Liberties Union has associated laws against sagging to be racial profiling. Benetta Standly, statewide organizer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia stated, "In Atlanta, we see this as racial profiling... It's going to target African-American male youths. There's a fear with people associating the way you dress with crimes being committed."

The only problem is, there is a substantiated link between sagging and petty criminality. They don't dress like this because they enjoy looking like morons. They dress this way to fit in with the antisocial gangster 'cultures'. That is not something we should encourage. Law or not, it is a social issue. They are a social problem.

Must I explain to you the common sense obvious? Good grief.

Originally posted by XTexan
Sagging is not against the law in Aiken County...

Deputy understands it. I understand it. His colleagues and some of our experienced posters here understand it. Other jurisdictions understand it. The only people who don't are the fairytale PC sympathizers and the police haters. Life is not all roses and the guys in the video were known criminals anyway. Assaulting police officers and drugs. Hmm, that means the Deputy's bias was correct!

Originally posted by XTexan
I'm sorry that you think the cop was justified in this, as you obviously don't care about people's rights.

Oh yeah? I don't believe in giving a free ride to these people. I'm sorry you don't care about society.

Originally posted by XTexan
I believe the guy has a right to not say anything at all to the cop...

He has the right but is it right?

Lorenzo demonstrated knowledge of the crack house. Deputy pressed him and offered to help him in return. Lorenzo refused. Not DIDN'T KNOW but simply REFUSED. And you defend these people. Need I say any more.

reply to post by jackinthebox

In your first video the cop had every right to tase the man who would not follow his instructions and obviously thought that he was above following simple traffic laws and law enforcement instructions. I hate speeders who think they are above the law.

The second one I believe was unwarranted and the attitude of the cops in the movie shows they were looking to shoot people.

reply to post by SteveR


So it seems to me you support the idea that police should stop people for things that are not crimes and drill them. It also seems to me that you also support the idea that if a cop thinks the way you look fits a certain stereotype then he can stop and harass you to find out if he's right.

Maybe the guy was a criminal, I don't know that nor have I seen any evidence of it. Even if he was a criminal he is still protected from descrimination. The way he dresses, while it can be associated to a certain lifestyle, is not a crime... at least in this case, in this county. Thats the beauty of laws. You see, despite what your opinion, or the cops opinion, or his co-workers opinion, or any opinions made by anyone on this board the way he dressed was not a crime.

Are you seriously saying that cops have the right to stop people based on appearance? Or am I just being a tard here? He was dressed in the same way his peers in his neighborhood and around the country dress. Does that make them all criminals? Should we go out and stop them all?

My 2 cents:

IF this cop had just stopped these guys without making comments regarding their appearance then I MIGHT give him some slack. The FACT is his entire reason for stopping was the way they are dressed, I find that inexcusable since there is no law against it, he stopped them because of his opinion. Regardless of where he got that opinion, he has no right to enforce it.

I know there are ways that cops can mess with people that are 100% legit, but this guy chose a different route. Instead of saying "these guys are hanging out near a crack house, I'm gonna check them out" he (literally) says "pull up your pants or I'm taking you to jail". That is not his place, not until that law is passed in that area.

Should the cops start stopping everyone in business suits? Some of our worst criminals as of late wore business suits, they hurt society... no, we shouldn't do that because that doesnt make sense...

And as for his right to not speak:

The 5th amendment protects his right to not speak, especially if he was involved in the crack house operations and regardless of what we may think... it is right.

On a side note, I'm cranky today (you know how work goes) so my appologies if I seem rude.

Edited to add:

On the topic of the cop hitting the guy. In some states I cant injure someone even if they break into my house, in fact in some states, I have to run out the back door if they break in. How come this cop can pre-emptively strike in this situation but if it was me I would have to wait to be struck before I can legally strike back? Seems like a double standard to me.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by XTexan]

reply to post by groingrinder

In your first video the cop had every right to tase the man who would not follow his instructions and obviously thought that he was above following simple traffic laws and law enforcement instructions. I hate speeders who think they are above the law.

He did not think he was "above the law." He simply did not know what the law was. If the cop had taken a second to explain how it works there, the whole thing could have been avoided. All he had to do was tell the kid that signing the ticket was not an admission of guilt.

The kid had no idea that he was going to be arrested. As far as his failure to comply after the weapon was drawn, that was pure instinct. Someone points a weapon at you, you turn away. Especially if you don't understand what's going on.

"Good cop" turns out to be lazy pig, who doesn't want to be bothered to do his job correctly. I think he's handed out one too many traffic tickets and is no longer fit to do so.

Not only does that cop deserve to get fired, he should have to pay out of his own pocket.

Nothing is more disgusting to me than power thirsty cops. The guy was just a guy, he can act like an idiot if he wants to, he NEVER did anything illegal. The pig is suppose to be a police officer, he i suppose to protect and serve.

I believe cops should be paid more so a higher caliber of people would be attracted to the job.

Removed double post

[edit on 9/21/2008 by semperfortis]

reply to post by SteveR

Law or not, it is a social issue. They are a social problem.

LAW is the only thing a LAW-MAN should be worried about. Unless of course you want the police smacking that cheeseburger out of your mouth because obesity is a social problem.

Must I explain to you the common sense obvious? Good grief.

Eat hat!

Life is not all roses and the guys in the video were known criminals anyway.

Everyone is a criminal, some of us just don't know it yet.

Assaulting police officers and drugs. Hmm, that means the Deputy's bias was correct!

Well, I've never been convicted of either, and yet I was targeted for wearing a pair of "urban-camo" pants when they first came out, years ago now. So how was that cop correct? Simple, he wasn't, and it all came out in time.

The cop tried to nail me because he had profiled me as a "(deragatory)-lover." His own words. He had just found out that day that his daughter had gotten pregnant by a black guy, and equated my pants with "that culture." The only reason I found out any of this is because the father of my brother's girlfriend was his Lieutenant.

So now we see what boat you sail in.

Oh yeah? I don't believe in giving a free ride to these people.

"These people." Are you kidding me? You mean like taxpaying citizens like me?!

I'm sorry you don't care about society.

I'm sorry that there are fascists like you in this country who think they know what is best for society. Obviously your way isn't working, and hasn't for quite some time now.

reply to post by jackinthebox


I have read and disgaree with your perspectives here. However, my debate is with Texan and AAC.

reply to post by SteveR

I have read and disgaree with your perspectives here. However, my debate is with Texan and AAC.

Very well. Have at it.

I do respect that it can be difficult to engage in a multi-front debate, and it was not my intention to gang up on you. Maybe I'll stop back when this thread starts to run dormant.

Originally posted by XTexan
The way he dresses, while it can be associated to a certain lifestyle, is not a crime...

Bingo! What does this lifestyle inevitably lead to? What does this lifestyle even represent? We should always crack down on antisocial tendencies.

Originally posted by XTexan
The FACT is his entire reason for stopping was the way they are dressed, I find that inexcusable since there is no law against it, he stopped them because of his opinion. Regardless of where he got that opinion, he has no right to enforce it.

It may not be illegal to 'dress' that way in Aiken county, but it sure is in neighboring counties and states. I believe that makes this issue a grey area. It is important to be mindful of it rather than assume the officer is just enforcing his individual opinions.

He may not have the authority to book him but he can certainly speak to him and stop him if suspicious of other offences. The scenario was really that simple.

Some of the officer's talk in the first few seconds was just that - talk. Was it technically right? No. Something to fire him over? Again no.

Originally posted by XTexan
He was dressed in the same way his peers in his neighborhood and around the country dress. Does that make them all criminals? Should we go out and stop them all?

We should not award them MONEY for attitude behaviors, we should not PRETEND social issues in communities such as that do not exist, favoring to back them to the hilt with the ACLU and other PC organizations. People who would like nothing more than to render our police toothless and have them tread carefully when in the 'hood so as not to offend. We do this all while holding police to standards of perfection when they are the ones we send in to deal with the aforementioned social issues everyday. Give the police some breathing room.

Originally posted by XTexan
Should the cops start stopping everyone in business suits?

Different issue calls for a different response.

Originally posted by XTexan
The 5th amendment protects his right to not speak, especially if he was involved in the crack house operations and regardless of what we may think... it is right.

My previous post to you:

He has the right but is it right?
Lorenzo demonstrated knowledge of the crack house. Deputy pressed him and offered to help him in return. Lorenzo refused. Not DIDN'T KNOW but simply REFUSED. And you defend these people. Need I say any more.

I thought I was pretty clear. There is nothing for you to defend here. Lorenzo refuses to help law enforcement on a very serious issue of drugs. That alone clinches his character and morality. Indefensible.

He doesn't HAVE to break the law for there to be legitimate social issues.

Originally posted by XTexan
How come this cop can pre-emptively strike in this situation but if it was me I would have to wait to be struck before I can legally strike back? Seems like a double standard to me.

It IS a double standard. He is a police officer, he has authority invested in him by the state. He can control you, physically and verbally. He can strike you down with open handed techniques in his manuals if he deems it necessary. You don't seem to acknowledge there is a certain arbitrary latitude with cops which allows them to do their job. It is small, but it is there.

I won't ignore the facts. Deputy Nation 'officially' stepped the line (courtesy of PC pressure). Judging by the circumstances though his actions were mild and easily debatable within that arbitrary zone.