Conspiracy to Split up the U.S.

Originally posted by ppskylight
90% of the civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are attritubted to sectarian violence/suicide bombers/roadside bombs.

Any stats to back that up with. I beg to differ. Especially since those would not be civillian casualties. Those are mass murders.

Originally posted by Dan5647

What do you guys think?

Well as an anarchist who loves living in the US, I think you should learn to understand and promote everyones freedom here. Otherwise, are you not victim to the "splitting us up" that you said needs to stop?

Originally posted by Dan5647
My name is Daniel Harris. I am a 19 year old Republican. I believe in God and Creationism. I know there are many Democrats and Independents that use this forum who probably hate me for what political party I'm with. Bad change will happen in this country if we don't stop fighting each other. I am P.O.ed

because there are people who live in this great country who have no agenda but to split us up and no one wants to stop them.

Ok so lets go through this, you believe in creationism and then you call others crazy? There is no proof for creationism, there are bad studies, that aren't peer reviewed, but no real evidence.

Originally posted by Dan5647They are fear mongers, anarchists, and crazies with no purpose but to hate this country and to consume up our resources in return.

Very shameful. I believe the United States is the best darn country that ever existed on this planet and without democracy, we wouldn't have any freedom or rights. What do you guys think?

See now that is just worrying, blind patriotism, the idea that your country is the best. Its arrogance like that that makes half the world hate you. Personally i don't hate the USA, i greatly dislike your foreign policy but that's a leadership thing and not a reason to hate the populous.

However you aren't a democracy, you are a republic. Those systems, whilst looking similar are different.

Originally posted by Dan5647
The U.S. don't kill innocent civilians.

Oh yeah?

I wonder if Japan agrees with that statement.

Originally posted by Dan5647
reply to post by billyjoinedat2k8

 

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are against terrorism. What proof do you have to claim that WE are killing innocent people?

You are the definition of brainwashed. I know you love your country and all that but open your eyes.
In a few years you are probably going to be embarrassed to call yourself an American - see Germans after WW2.

At the age of 19 I didn't think that the U.S. military killed civilians. I know that the 9th Marines on the DMZ didn't because there weren't any civillans there. What I've seen demonstrated by the OP and the following post demonstrates, how issues that have no bearing on anything relevant, are being used to divide and conquer this country from within itself.

Originally posted by justamomma
reply to post by Dan5647

 

I am not against republicans. I am neither republican or democrat. But I think you have already proven my point that you won't consider something that makes logical sense.

But, there are black and white issues here as there always seem to be in the cases of war. Yes, Iraq violated the provisions of the cease fire between the united states and Iraq. This does not mean, however, that what was fed to us wasn't overdramatized and done without a corrupt agenda by the bush administration.

This also does not negate the fact that innocent ppl are dying. Granted, innocent ppl die in any war, but to dogmatically turn a blind eye to it just because it doesn't fit into your neat and perfect view of reality is biased and makes it hard to discuss anything logically with you.

The reasons we are there has little to do with terrorism, although that most certainly was a valid reason that was able to be exploited to justify our "moving in."

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here. Lets see where it goes.

EDIT: Life is the conspiracy darling. We are all part of it regardless of our beliefs and/or status. Don't fool yourself... it is bad enough that others want to fool you.



[edit on 14-9-2008 by justamomma]

Hey JustaMomma, I agree with you, there are many reasons that we are there, but I don't think any of them truly point to terrorism, I'd say we are there to protect our investments and that's all, well, and to try to control collateral damage.. Personally, I think this country(The U.S.A.) is great but it's not over and above any place else, yes we have more freedoms than many other countries, but not as much as we use to. and Dan, if you are not open to others' views, that means you are closed minded, personally, I don';t care what party, what affiliation or even what color you are, we are all humans and that's what matters most, what we believe is of our own choice and making sure that choice is part of our principles and is truth based is our responsibility....... This thread will only do you justice Dan, if you allow other views besides your own, if you refuse tyo, then why start a thread at all?????

The biggest thing is you post about how there is a conspiracy to split up the US, but in the very beginning of your post you identify which side you are on...
There is always someone giving us reasons to fight each other(distracting us) to keep us from seeing what is going on.

Originally posted by Dan5647
I would never trust any media source who uses propaganda to further their own agenda.

And yet, you no doubt believe in The Bible. Is it not a media source using propaganda to further the agenda of Christendom?

by the way, this is in no means an attack on you, or me trying to change your mind, but since you threw in the fact that you believe in creationism you may wanna give these a read, you may be surprised.
Evolution and the Pope
Charles Darwin to receive apology from the Church of England for rejecting evolution

i dont belive how this kid can say usa didnt kill inocents. to the us we are test subjects things to be used and brushed aside. tho there may be good in the few these good dont have any power (sad).

but to the rest of you bashing him on being a creationist. your just as ingorant as him. i am not saying you need to belive it i am saying you need to be open minded and not bash people for there religion.

i am a creastionist but i do not say evolutionism is false in fact i dont even think that creastionism could exist with out evolutionism. and like i said i also dont think usa is the saint he thinks

its sad that the lot of you read creationism and think dumba#$(dont know if i can cus here). i am one through faith i feel that its true, though i have educated my self on the other opetions i still follow "God". But i dont go around bashing you no if i do anything i ofer information. because no mater what its your choice and i will not infringe on that freedom.

Originally posted by darkmdbeener
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i am a creastionist but i do not say evolutionism is false in fact i dont even think that creastionism could exist with out evolutionism. and like i said i also dont think usa is the saint he thinks

its sad that the lot of you read creationism and think dumba#$(dont know if i can cus here). i am one through faith i feel that its true, though i have educated my self on the other opetions i still follow "God". But i dont go around bashing you no if i do anything i ofer information. because no mater what its your choice and i will not infringe on that freedom.

at the risk of going off topic too much...
Simple answer as to why creationism and evolution can go hand in hand,(note, i'm not at all religious, and even i can believe this) who says a day to god is 24 hrs to us? seven days could be the 4.5 billion years that is the age of the planet according to scientists.

Dan5647;

At 19 I was serving my country. I also voted Republican. Over the years I have learned the hard way that everything is not black or white, but tends to be gray.

Civilians get killed in every war regardless of precision weapons. Bad intel, technology that malfunctions, etc. To say that civilians are not being killed is irresponsible and naive. Civilians are not specifically targeted but they die nonetheless.

I also have to point out that this country was founded on the premise that it is our responsibility to question our government. If we blindly follow the government then that is treason. Was it not your "party" that literally crucified the Senator from Ga. back in 02 for questioning the reasons for war. This man lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam and he was called a traitor by your parties leadership who incidently never served at all.

I do not blame you for your stance, you will hopefully grow to realize that there is more than one way to think. Good Luck.

reply to post by Dan5647


You are correct Dan. A conspiracy did exist to break up the United States. 6 years ago I said the exact same thing to a relative and she didn't really have much of a reply, only that "I heard something like that."

You are right to believe in God, it is because of our strength that eminates from our faith in God that allowed us to meet these murderers in the field.

As far as these accusations that you or I or any other American is responsible for some "innocent" person's death, know only that a gunshot can be a CAUSE of death, but that is not WHY a person dies. Each person is responsible for their own life and soul and they died because of something they did that you know nothing about.

When you believe a LIE, it has the ability to become true.

As far as the conspiracy to break up America and to enslave its inhabitants, those people are being dealt with appropriately. Count on that.


[edit on 15-9-2008 by bruxfain]

Bruxfain:

Am I understanding you correctly? Do you really believe that someone who gets themselves killed deserved it for some other reason than another person wanting their money, car, shoes.

What about some woman who was raped? Or an infant that was killed in a driveby. I hope I misunderstood you. I really do.

Originally posted by capgrup
Bruxfain:

Am I understanding you correctly? Do you really believe that someone who gets themselves killed deserved it for some other reason than another person wanting their money, car, shoes.

What about some woman who was raped? Or an infant that was killed in a driveby. I hope I misunderstood you. I really do.

No, I don't think they deserved it, however, I am trying to separate out the causes of death and the reason someone dies; by "reason" I am saying that you don't die for nothing. Contrary to what some may tell you.

The people in Iraq and Afghanistan provided all the comforts of home for the very people that are killing them now. I have no idea all the specifics as to why or how a woman or man gets themselves in a position to be sexually assaulted (perhaps you can explain that:lol or why children in inner city gang banging communities seem to be bullet magnets.

In Chicago, where I lived for about a decade, kids got caught in the crossfire; they still do. And when their parents are crying out loud on the evening news about their innocent baby, the news doesn't do an in depth study of that person's life and the decisions they've made that led to them watching their kids' destruction right before their eyes.

I've been to maximum security prisons and in this War. I've slept 2 feet from ridiculously violent men and been escorted by demons in handcuffs to, seen and spent a night in Hell. I walked away without a scratch. Nothing has ever happened to me. Why, because my soul is pure (at least pure enough) and God is my ally and I cannot be touched!!

I don't think you read me wrong. You obviously propose to know things that you know nothing about. Well, young man who proposes to be of great understanding as to how things work in this world. The wages of Sin is death. If you are not a sinner, death will reject you. You make deals with demons, they will be around to collect according to the agreement.

I think this is the work of a democrat mastermind . A lot of stereotypical checks of a republican right wing type are ticked off right from the start but they are accentuated and made to look even worse. This is a false flag kind of thing, right ?

Bruxfain;

I would not consider myself to be a "young" man. In my 40's. I also never stated that I have all the answers, but I feel compelled to relate some of what should be common fact and common sense.

First off; raping a woman is very rarely about sex, but more about "control" so I will never understand how people can say a woman "deserved" it.

Second; an infant who was shot in the head while in their parents home who have never done anything wrong is different than some punk who is out selling drugs. Drug dealers deserve death, but an innocent should never have to justify why they were at any particular place at any particular time.

Now if you are equating being religous to never having had anything bad happen to you or someone being an athiest and being a victim of crime is justified, then I am just glad I am an atheist. And yes, I have been a victim of crime.

Originally posted by capgrup
Bruxfain;

I would not consider myself to be a "young" man. In my 40's. I also never stated that I have all the answers, but I feel compelled to relate some of what should be common fact and common sense.

First off; raping a woman is very rarely about sex, but more about "control" so I will never understand how people can say a woman "deserved" it.

Second; an infant who was shot in the head while in their parents home who have never done anything wrong is different than some punk who is out selling drugs. Drug dealers deserve death, but an innocent should never have to justify why they were at any particular place at any particular time.

Now if you are equating being religous to never having had anything bad happen to you or someone being an athiest and being a victim of crime is justified, then I am just glad I am an atheist. And yes, I have been a victim of crime.

I didn't once mention religion in my posts, only God. Nevertheless, I don't know why any particular person is a victim of crime, violent or otherwise. But I do know that it didn't happen for no reason, or a matter of Chance.

But I would be really wasting my time if I decided to have a conversation with someone who in more than 40 years on earth has only been able to come up with, "I am an atheist."

As a matter of opinion, you are a part of the people that are trying to split up America. You are the problem! Exactly what the OP mentioned.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by bruxfain]

The reality people don't understand propaganda And has such a distrust for any authority. That there willing to believe any thing as long as it proves the government is involved with some nefarious plot. Reality is government of the united states makes mistakes people make mistakes.

However this doesn't change the fact that wars all ways divide Americans. You'll all ways having people protesting war and will all ways have people that will do whatever they have to to show its wrong. But the problem I have is these people are being used to undermine the United states and they are clueless. Having served in the military vie seen the best and the worst of what the US can accomplish and I assure you the good far out weighs the bad.

Ignore the people that believe were in Iraq killing civilians for kicks or whatever other reasons they can come up with. They have no clue of the realities faced in urban warfare. I can honestly say that most American soldiers believe strongly in helping the Iraqis. People even volunteer for 2nd and 3rd deployments. American soldiers don’t deserve the hatred they get. Here's a video from Metallica might make some people think about things.

Metallica - The Day That Never Comes (OFFICIAL VIDEO 2008 HIGH QUALITY)