Jessie Ventura attempts to debate a Firefighter at a Memorial on 911

Originally posted by bsbray11


Yes, for christ's sake, because it was an inside job!

Thanks Alex Jon.....oops... Bsbray. Because you and all your truther buddies have offered how much proof? ZERO! But keep up with your 7 year chant that has done what? NOTHING. That is why truth numbers that show up at these memorials have dwindled down to small numbers. In my city alone, do you know how many truthers showed up to their rally?

a whopping .... 7 yeah...7

Edit to clarify: Nobody who thinks this was an inside job gives a DAMN about "remembrance" of a bunch of total BS. Do you understand that or does it go right over your head?

Hey hero... what don't you get? PEOPLE DIED!

You're right though. Truthers don't give a damn about that. All they care about is getting their rants posted on Youtube.

If you want a "Patriot Day" jerk fest I'm sure there are more appropriate places for that kind of jingoism (like a Nazi convention) than what equates to a public forum, where you come across things like free speech. Yes, you SHOULD find free speech disturbing, just as cancer should find its cure hostile.

What a pathetic rant. As I have stated in previous posts:

There is nothing wrong with the goon asking questions.

There is a time and a place for everything.

Jerk fest? Sounds like a typical Saturday night in a truther tree-fort meeting.

And I agree with the 2nd poster -- the firefighter is the only one who looks like an "a**." The man may be a hero but that doesn't mean he's being victimized when he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and gets called out on it.

The firefighter showed what the goon lacks. CLASS.

You would agree with anyone that agrees with your fantasy. ... go have fun at YOUR fantasy jerk-fest Bsbray.

Originally posted by badmedia
I exposed you for what you are. I have no reason to continue debating it with you. People like you are the reason I generally avoid the 9/11 forums.

In other words: "I have no ideal what I am talking about."

thanks your your input, BM. (or lack there of)

Wow Jessie is a GENIUS!!

“The government’s theory is that 19 Islamic terrorists armed with box cutters defeated our multibillion-dollar air defense system, all while conspiring with a bearded guy in a cave in Afghanistan,” Ventura said. “I find that far-fetched.”

OH yeah... Looks like Jessie got his information from Dylan Avery.

It's utterly sad that whenever you bring something up upon questioning 9/11 you get an instant hostility and chain wrapped around your mouth.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt
So what does it matter about class,what is the matter with you,we are talking about thousands of lives that were lost, why cant you see that,why is it so hard for you to open up your eyes to whats happening around you, pleses wake up before its to late.

I don't think there's any doubt that important questions have to be asked about the events of 9/11 but this was niether the time or the place. . .

reply to post by DwaynetheSpecious


7 years of regurgitation. When was anyone shut up? We have all heard the same garbage over and over. The only reason someone shuts up is when they finally accept the fact that 911 was not an inside job.

This thread is to show the levels which some will stoop to grand stand.

Jessie is a disgrace.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Originally posted by badmedia
I exposed you for what you are. I have no reason to continue debating it with you. People like you are the reason I generally avoid the 9/11 forums.

In other words: "I have no ideal what I am talking about."

thanks your your input, BM. (or lack there of)

Whats the point? All you've done in this thread is ignore the rules of the forums and made personal attacks on people for their opinion. I exposed you for what you were doing, and so my job is done. If we were going to discuss 9/11 more, then that would go in a thread that actually had subject matter in it.

I've made my points, and I have better things to do than repeat myself.

So, I don't know what there is left to continue. Unless you think I'm trying to convince you of what you are doing, or expecting you to just say - yeah I did, I'm sorry.

So again I ask, whats the point?

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


Yes seven years since then, but when did you become a truther? 7years ago? Most didn't start looking, really looking into 911 until maybe 3 years ago. Back then there were more sources for review. I've seen where for what ever reason some videos and other links to articles discussing alternative 911 theories, be deleted of become lost.

I think your wining this discussion on the disgust angle, maybe not the right time or place.

Originally posted by sir_chancealot

In case anyone doesn't know, way before he was a professional wrestler, Jessie Ventura was a bona fide U.S. Navy Seal. You don't get to be a Navy Seal by being incompetent, a coward, nor by being unpatriotic.

No, he wasn't a SEAL.

He did pass UDT training. But to become a SEAL,you also need specialized weapons/combat training.

He never did.

Originally posted by badmediaWhats the point? All you've done in this thread is ignore the rules of the forums and made personal attacks on people for their opinion. I exposed you for what you were doing, and so my job is done. If we were going to discuss 9/11 more, then that would go in a thread that actually had subject matter in it.

I've made my points, and I have better things to do than repeat myself.

So, I don't know what there is left to continue. Unless you think I'm trying to convince you of what you are doing, or expecting you to just say - yeah I did, I'm sorry.

So again I ask, whats the point?

Actually you started and continued the personal attacks.. the proof is in the thread.

How can anyone take you serious?

Here you specifically twisted his words around and per the herd mentality for supporting distortions, you were starred immensely. Shows that stupidity really is contageous....

Go ahead and try to assassinate my character. I don't mind at all. Why am I not surprised that threats are a part of what you do?

Another personal attack that I happen to disagree with. I don't get the following impression of TY at all and in fact, quite the opposite...

You remind me of the kind of person who waves the flag on memorial day, thinking you are paying tribute to the men and women who died for this country, all the while supporting the dismantling of the things they actually died for.

Scary how quickly assumptions start becoming the norm for those who believe in unsupported theories, no? (focus in on the part where it is said *it seems to me* followed by an accusation that many ppl who dislike TY then star to show support of this personal assumption)

I know what the ignore button is. It seems you want me to ignore you because you just don't want me to post in response. Rather than just ignoring me, you would rather I just didn't post in response to you at all. Sorry, but no go.

Anyway, point is, at the very least you are being hypocritical. TY was posting a thread that contained an opinion he had. Whether or not I agree with his opinion, it is obvious that you are upset NOT BECAUSE of his opinion, but bc his opinion doesn't agree with yours. Dude, this much is obvious. It shows when you make such statements as "made personal attacks on ppl's opinions" when you clearly have done the same thing to him throughout this thread.

I wouldn't say you exposed him for what HE is doing so much as you exposed yourself for what YOU are doing... so, at the least, we CAN agree that your job in doing such is most definately done.

ON TOPIC: I wish we could have heard the conversation from its beginning.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape

why did you quote me out of context ?? the full sentence was perfectly clear

Does this surprise you?

It's a common troofer practice. It's the only way that they can ever make ANY point in a conversation.

Honesty is NOT the troofer's friend.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Nobody who thinks this was an inside job gives a DAMN about "remembrance" of a bunch of total BS.

Positive proof that one shouldn't post after an evening out at the bar.

Absolutely disgusting.

Originally posted by justamomma
Actually you started and continued the personal attacks.. the proof is in the thread.

He started this thread as an attack on Jesse.

Here you specifically twisted his words around and per the herd mentality for supporting distortions, you were starred immensely. Shows that stupidity really is contageous....

So, people who might agree with me are stupid?

Another personal attack that I happen to disagree with. I don't get the following impression of TY at all and in fact, quite the opposite...

If you had read further, you would have seen I said I misread what he said and apologized for it.

Scary how quickly assumptions start becoming the norm for those who believe in unsupported theories, no? (focus in on the part where it is said *it seems to me* followed by an accusation that many ppl who dislike TY then star to show support of this personal assumption)

What assumption? I said he reminded me of such people. Because the way he acts is exactly like those who I've dealt with for years who did that. As I said, his responses remind me of exactly how they would respond.

And what the heck does stars matter anyway? Is there some kind of popularity contest going on here? Do stars now determine who is right or who is wrong? Silly.

Anyway, point is, at the very least you are being hypocritical. TY was posting a thread that contained an opinion he had. Whether or not I agree with his opinion, it is obvious that you are upset NOT BECAUSE of his opinion, but bc his opinion doesn't agree with yours. Dude, this much is obvious. It shows when you make such statements as "made personal attacks on ppl's opinions" when you clearly have done the same thing to him throughout this thread.

How else do you point out someone is making personal attacks without also doing the same thing in the process? I'd really like to know. The tempo for this thread was set on the very first post. It doesn't contain anything really related to the events and was nothing more than a personal attack from the get go. If he had been posting somekind of evidence which was debatable, then you might actually have a point. As he didn't, there was nothing left but opinions.

I wouldn't say you exposed him for what HE is doing so much as you exposed yourself for what YOU are doing... so, at the least, we CAN agree that your job in doing such is most definately done.

And this is why I generally avoid these forums. If not for the frontpage articles, I'd probably never visit this forum. Nobody seems to care about what is actually being done here, it's all about what you believe about 9/11. It's just as bad as politics in this manner. Where anything a democrat does, the democrats will say is great, and anything a republican does the republican will say is great and whatever the democrats says is wrong and vice versa.

If you agree with the 9/11 official story, then Jesse is scum. If you agree with Jesse then he is a hero. And this thread serves no other point than to further that separation. It's dumb and nothing but a bunch of finger pointing.

Personally, I think it sucks this kind of thread is even allowed to be here. And that also goes if the situation is reversed. It serves no useful purpose.

What am I missing?????

Is there a video I have not seen? Why is everyone so polarized? Couldn't they both have acted appropriately? Does one have to be right and one have to be wrong or one appropriate while the other inappropriate. And how can one tell from the audio clip?

Get a grip. This constant bickering between the so called "truthers" and the so called "debunkers" is providing a disservice for anyone who cares about the truth whatever that may be.

For those of you that have labeled yourselves or another as a "truther" or a "debunker" you have lost any ability to be objectionable. Please don't post how you care about the truth because you don't, you only care about opposing your opposite no matter how valid their points may be.



Now that I have finished ranting please can someone explain how anyone has the ability to come to any opinion with this insignificant audio clip. To me it seems to be missing context.


[edit on 14-9-2008 by harvib]

[edit on 14-9-2008 by harvib]

The Personal Bickering ends now!!! Or the Staff will come in and end it....

Jesse Ventura is the topic and so is up for debate..He put himself out there and is subject to criticism.. If you don't like it, tune into another thread.

DISCUSS THE TOPIC

NOT OTHER MEMBERS

No more NAME CALLING

No more BICKERING

PERIOD

Semper

Pursuing the truth is not disrespectful.

Even at a memorial, no especially at a memorial we should honor the dead by demanding the truth and justice.

Do Not edit Mod Edits...





[edit on 9/14/2008 by semperfortis]

Originally posted by badmediaIf you had read further, you would have seen I said I misread what he said and apologized for it.

I actually have read this whole thread and yes, I did see that. I actually had chalked that up in your favor, and respected that you did that.. but then I kept reading.

However, my only point in this (which I can admit may be unclear) is not to attack you, but to say that there are well intentioned ppl on both sides of this issue who are attacking needlessly (myself included). I am not doubting that you care based on other posts of yours that I have read on this board, but based on the overall posting of TY, I believe his intentions to be in the right place as well.

Although my view is more in line with that of TY's, the only ppl that I am angry at and suspicious of on either side of the 9/11 debates are the ones who are exploiting these events for a corrupt agenda, and those ppl quite frankly stick out like a sore thumb, IMO.

And this is why I generally avoid these forums. If not for the frontpage articles, I'd probably never visit this forum. Nobody seems to care about what is actually being done here, it's all about what you believe about 9/11. It's just as bad as politics in this manner.

Although we don't agree in our views of what happened on 9/11, this is a view that we can both agree on. Just as I get caught up in the pointless rhetoric of politics, I easily get caught up in the debates on 9/11.

I allow myself to do so though bc often I learn more from those who oppose my views. It forces me to reevaluate what I am saying and to question if my view of the world is really based in reality or someone else's imagination. So, alas, when I see these threads, I bite the bait.

If you agree with the 9/11 official story, then Jesse is scum.

This is not true. I personally said that I wish I could have heard the origin of this conversation because until I do, there is little to draw on in forming a conclusion as to what Jesse's intent was. He certainly didn't push the issue when the other man expressed his desire to be done with the conversation and that to me is a chalk up in favor of jesse's personal character.

On a personal level, from what I have *seen* of jesse ventura, although I may disagree with his views, I have never concluded that his heart is in the wrong place. He seems like an OK guy who has been misled, nothing more.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by Jezus
Pursuing the truth is not disrespectful.

Even at a memorial, no especially at a memorial we should honor the dead by demanding the truth and justice.

This is the best post in this entire thread. I agree totally. If my family member died in such a event, i would wont to know the truth.

911 may not of been a inside job but the government sure as hell let it happen. I mean i am really scared, a handful of foreigners upset the country this much from a small simple attack.... just think about a foreign country hell bent to attack us. Whats going to stop them? Especially if they have box cutters. lol something slipped threw the cracks of our security, very easily, so easily it seemed on purpose.

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