Ron Paul to Run For President! [UPDATE: He Will Not]

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by sos37

 

I think it would make a lot of difference. Certainly enough to have Mcain and Obama worry and make this election a nail-biter, for the two sleezoids.

I like it, I'd like to watch the two sides of the same coin sweat it out a bit, maybe it would force them to change, and realize that they need to heed what other people in their party want. Rather than taking US for granted and making this a "business as usual", ho-hum type of election.

And to be honest, I think that's the point.
[edit on 9-9-2008 by Gateway]

You're not hearing what I'm saying -

From: www.lewrockwell.com...

"Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning, Houston-area congressman who waged a feisty Republican primary campaign for president, is expected on Wednesday to urge supporters to reject the two major-party candidates and vote for any of the four minor-party contenders on the November ballot."

Ron Paul himself doesn't appear to be running, yet he is endorsing his supporters to vote for ONE OF FOUR minor party contenders.

Only ONE party gets chosen in the end, agreed?

So how does it help your cause if you take your number of supporters and divide that number by four? How can the votes of one of the four minor parties possibly stand up to those of one of the two major parties?

What he's asking for is political suicide.

reply to post by SectionEight


Ron Paul represents broad new ideas and sweeping change... Ron Paul doesn't have one of the most amazing resume's in Washington because of college students.... WOW!

www.sourcewatch.org...

Committees
House Committee on Financial Services

Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology -Ranking

Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations

House Committee on Foreign Affairs

Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights, and Oversight

Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere

Committee assignments in the 109th Congress (2005-2006)

House Committee on Financial Services
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit
Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy Trade and Technology
Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
House Committee on International Relations
Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific
Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere
Joint Economic Committee

Coalitions and Caucuses
Congressional Fire Services Caucus
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Founder, Foundation for Rational Economics and Education (FREE)
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Founder/Honorary Chairman, The Liberty Committee (Note: Ron Paul is no longer affiliated with The Liberty Committee.)
Distinguished Counselor, Ludwig von Mises Institute
Former Trustee, Foundation for Economic Education.

Unlike many political candidates, Paul receives the overwhelming majority of his campaign contributions (92.5% in 2004), from individuals.[20]

-ChriS

[edit on 10-9-2008 by BlasteR]

reply to post by sos37

So how does it help your cause if you take your number of supporters and divide that number by four? How can the votes of one of the four minor parties possibly stand up to those of one of the two major parties? What he's asking for is political suicide.

Well, Ron Paul is a republican. His campaign and his words brought people together from all different parties to hear his words. His speech tomorrow will basically tell the rest of his followers to not "Vote for the lesser of two evils", but instead go vote for the some other 3rd party, i.e. whoever they want. So for example instead, of "Taft Conservatives", or the libertarian wing of the Republican party that yearn for Dr. Paul will be given the go-ahead from him to not VOTE for Mcsame, regardless of the rhetoric coming from the GOP, no more of that ridiculous argument of voting for the lesser of two evils.

Instead, he's encouraging people to hold on to their views and vote who they feel more closely reflect those views, to the dismay of McBama.

Like I said, it helps our cause in the sense that if Mcain is not elected, then perhaps next time the GOP will re-think about running another Neocon welfare warfare politician, and instead think about putting a real conservative to represent our views. THIS IS GOING TO BE A CLOSE RACE!!! It's about sending a message to both parties, that a large section of their base is being ignored, that they must change their ways or face continued decline in party participants and growth of 3rd party candidates.

If the republican party loses this election, because of lack of support from Ron Paul "voters" then it has no one else to blame, but itself for ignoring the "conservative" base in the party. The same goes for the Democrats, if Mcain wins, because people flocked to Nader.

This will be the lesson learned by the losing party this November.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by Gateway]

CERN better not mess up this morning!

THE MAN is BACK!

Ron Paul... President Ron Paul...

Wow.

That spells H.O.P.E to me!

Now I'll be going to vote in November! *Happy Dance*


And just think! I'm not a colledge student living in my mothers basement.




[edit on 10-9-2008 by silo13] *lag*

[edit on 10-9-2008 by silo13]

No doubt CERN better not mess up.... This world should get sucked into a black hole....Ill be voting for ole RP this fall as well... less spending =good things

I saw that coming from thousands of miles away. Anyway Nader's just a crippled old corpse and THey wanted somebody more radical now, so that he could steal votes from the liberal enemy of the Great Old Fascist Party....

How ironic that Ron Paul will indirectly support the oes who brought the very same Police State he's up against in his speeches. Poitics is full of surprises, and usually bad surprises.

But frankly, anyone voting for Paul is just throwing his/her vote away, since that guy will never be elected into office (unless some major global catastrophy happens which makes the actual political elite disappear for some reason)... better just cancel your vote, that's gonna send an even clearer message, and you won't be indirectly supporting another GOP fascist pig this way.

[edit on 10/9/08 by Echtelion]

reply to post by SectionEight


Way off. A Paul run wouldn't take but a handful of votes from Obama. It would annihilate the scheme for which McCain put up a patsy (Palin) to scam conservatives (if he ever got into office it would be Lieberman as SecState and co-architect of policy, not Palin).

As a supporter of Paul who has participated in many events, my observation is that nearly all of his support comes from people with strong constitutionalist leanings and mainly conservatives (Republicans and Independents). ALL age groups, but with an overwhelming % of them college educated men (able to put a lot of money to work).

Originally posted by Echtelion

But frankly, anyone voting for Paul is just throwing his/her vote away, since that guy will never be elected into office (unless some major global catastrophy happens which makes the actual political elite disappear for some reason)... better just cancel your vote, that's gonna send an even clearer message, and you won't be indirectly supporting another GOP fascist pig this way.

[edit on 10/9/08 by Echtelion]

Really? By voting for Ron Paul I'm throwing my vote away? That's the problem with this country, because that's what too many people believe. Lose that mentality and maybe third parties will stand a chance.

Originally posted by Unit541
The number of people here with "wasted vote" syndrome is truly sickening. No vote, as long as it's cast by ones conscience, is a wasted vote. Voting for someone purely because they have a "better chance" of winning, is much more of a waste than voting for who you truly feel should be running this country. The election is not intended to be a "contest" to see who can get the most votes, it's a decision.

What really gets me, is none of the Ron Paul detractors, who so fervently admonish his supporters, can give a reasonable explanation of their views of Ron Paul. None of them can express what it is that they detest so thoroughly about him. Most of them don't have the slightest clue about his stances on the issues. If you're going to take the time and energy to sling mud at people for supporting a particular candidate, the least you could do is actually be able to make a point, as to why you think the candidate is a poor choice.

wwjv4.com...

blog.marinmodus.com...

But personally, I hate his whiny pansy way of talking.

Just like here in this video.




Wow talking about a whiny old fart. I can't stand 5 seconds listening to this guy.

Originally posted by SectionEight
Well there goes the 10% hate Bush young fanatics that Obama would have got. McCain is in for sure now.

Worryingly enough, this could well be true.
I hope Ron Paul has taken this into consideration.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Unit541

 

While I am an Obama supporter, I do like Ron Paul an awful lot. But I am an Obama supporter because of Pauls stance on the Education Department...Which is to dissolve it. You think American schools are suffering now? Get rid of all that federal funding and see what happens. Then there's his rhetoric about keeping government out off your shoulders but not out of a womans uterus. That spells social unrest for me, and I have about enough of politicians trying to legislate morality as though they had a monopoly on it or something.

You wanted legitimate reason's for not wanting RP as president, there they are. Those are mine. That said, if he did make it to POTUS, I wouldn't worry too much about him executing those policies, as he would have several years of fixing a broken military, a broken economy, broken borders, and broken international relations. He would probably do the ONE THING neither of the two frontrunners would do, prosecute GW Bush like the criminal he is.

Where do you think the government gets it's funding? Do you realize that in most cases property taxes and local taxes pay for schools? That the only thing you are doing by wanting a federal program is to have that money go to DC, and then back to your community after being washed through all the bureaucracy?

Federal funding is not some magical money supply, it is taken from the people. While they may just print up new money, it still takes value from the citizens.

Not to mention a federal program isn't even the best system. We get 1 program for the entire country. We get changes to that program every 4-8 years(8 the majority of time). Where as if you were in a system where states handle the education, then you have 50 programs, each working to be the best and each trying different things. You are able to try new things more often, and if a state screws up it only affects that 1 state. You then also have 49 other programs to choose from for suggestions on what works and what doesn't. When a state tries something new that works well, the other states can pick up those things. This allows for the biggest amount of improvements to be made.

Furthermore, you get to vote on state elections every 2 years instead of 4. And your 1 vote has more power over that election so it is easier for the people to fix the problems.

Where as it seems to be near impossible to fix the problems on a federal level. Votes have very little power and elections don't happen often enough.

I am in favor of even more localized programs so that we have 1000's of individual programs all working to be the best. Because I realize that is the best system for the entire country.

And this goes for many issues, healthcare etc. But they don't teach this kind of stuff in schools, they only teach that money is the only way to fix the problems. And we keep throwing more and more money into them, but they keep getting worse.

There was a time when we were #1 in healthcare, education and all of that in the world. And in that time we had the system above, and the rest of the world have the systems we have now and are moving more towards. That is not a coincidence.

The real reason we have these departments is so that the lessons being taught can be regulated. It's easier to manipulate people who believe a certain version of history, events and lessons.

Personally I like his voice and his laugh at least they are real. I also like it when he "whines" in his speaches like this...


Note the year.

Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
July 16, 2002

Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. This is because the special privileges of Fannie, Freddie, and HLBB have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.

Mr. Speaker, it is time for Congress to act to remove taxpayer support from the housing GSEs before the bubble bursts and taxpayers are once again forced to bail out investors misled by foolish government interference in the market. I therefore hope my colleagues will stand up for American taxpayers and investors by cosponsoring the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act.



yeah that was so anoying way back in 2002

reply to post by SectionEight


Note to SectionEight: Have you looked at Bush and his administration's rating approval. I fear that it will be just a little bit more than 10% my friend.

my guess is that he and any other fringe partys will be talking about the 7th anniversary of 9-11-01, on this 9-11 eve.


a consolidation of the various party issues & platforms is only wishful thinking

I haven't read every post in this thread, but according to the OP, RP was supposed to announce his candidacy today.

Does anyone know if he has done so, or if he has a press conference scheduled?

He's got my vote, if this is indeed is the "October surprise".

There's got to be a quake going through the McCain campaign at this rumor. About half of Registered Republicans, me being one of those, were upset that the party didn't have an actual conservative to vote for. All you have to do is look at McCain and Palin's records to understand why.

I'll take a conservative Libertarian over a pseudo-Republican any day! At least the core fundamentals for which the Republican party was founded remain unchanged. None of this crap about when life begins. Let's drop the rhetoric and get down to politics!

I remember a letter Senator Mitch McConnell sent me, asking for support for the "New Republican Agenda". I laughed out loud. I won't quote what I wrote back to him (on the pledge form and mailed back in the self-addressed, posted envelope), but it was a severe tongue lashing and a reminder of what G.O.P. stands for. Needless to say, I don't think he'll expect my vote again.

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic


No offense intended AntisepticSkeptic, but I hope that you choose who to vote for based on more than what they sound like when they speak. Yeah, Ron Paul isn't the smooth, polished public speaker that Obama is, but at least Ron Paul has a track record, experience, and some goals that are not just the same old #### we've been seeing regurgitated by the Republicans and Democrats for decades.

Well.. really sucks for everyone that he ISN'T reentering. They talked about it on the news about an hour ago and Ron Paul is urging his supporters to vote for ANY of the other 4 Independent candidates running, and that he supports any of them.

Sad news. I was actually excited when I first read this thread. Even despite the fact that I already knew what they news had said previously.

Any vote other than McCain or Obama is better than giving them support to further destroy this nation.

Sorry people.. like the rest of you, I truly did hope this was true.

reply to post by no one special


Gah, I have nothing but bad news today huh. I'm sure you've heard this but the CERN event won't actually launch them in the opposite direction towards collision for possibly "several" months.

(not to off track the thread)