Russia: US gave nod to Georgia

Originally posted by marg6043
A small nation like Georgia will not be pulling one on a bigger nation like Russia if they are not pretty sure that they will have some backup for their brazenness.

Well, they weren't taking on Russia, per se. They were taking on South Ossetia.

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Just as well my friend, just as well, they knew that Russia will come back against Georgia.

So more to the conspiracy that Georgia was expecting at least somebody like the US to backthem up.

Still it sure smells rotten.



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You're probably right. They might have thought Russia wouldn't send in troops or the EU would back them up.

Tho I wouldn't trust the EU to back up a car, let alone anything as big as this.

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Very interesting. I find it hard not to believe.

Reminds me of the Midnight Oil song, "US Forces"...

They've got it all wrong. In the movie, this action by georgia to attack ossetia causes russian's to react, then nato comes in on the georgian side.
Then russia attacks nato, then the united states attacks russia and every one in the world dies. Now get it right!

Originally posted by jerico65
Well, they weren't taking on Russia, per se. They were taking on South Ossetia.

True. But I'm sure that the Georgian Government knew full well Russia would retaliate.

This falls in line with the report that the Georgian president did make a public statement directing his military not to engage in hostilities prior to the outbreak of war. Of course, what is said publicly is not necessarily the end of the story.

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If you'd bothered to read the OP or the whole thread, you'd see exactly where the news came from.

Presstv merely reported it.

Originally posted by budski
If you'd bothered to read the OP or the whole thread, you'd see exactly where the news came from.

Presstv merely reported it.

Shucks, you're right. It came from Vitaly Churkin, the Russian ambassador to the UN. That makes all the difference in the world.

I see presstv is also hosting this article, too:

www.presstv.ir...

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It is insane to even remotely consider that such a "nod" (a go-ahead for the aggression) could have been given in a news conference by Dr. Rice. Are you kidding yourself? Surely there was plenty of "plausible deniability" actuated in this case.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
It is insane to even remotely consider that such a "nod" (a go-ahead for the aggression) could have been given in a news conference by Dr. Rice. Are you kidding yourself? Surely there was plenty of "plausible deniability" actuated in this case.

And do you have proof she didn't tell him this in private?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Anything the US says, especially on ATS, is automatically taken as a lie anyways.

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It would not surprise me a bit to learn that Bush was involved in the attack. It's all a plot to keep his presidency and hold off the next election. Think about it people! He is a power monger and he doesn't want to let it go. Maybe he is the antichrist and not Obama?????

Originally posted by jerico65
And do you have proof she didn't tell him this in private?

What we are discussing here, almost by definition is speculation and estimating the probability of such fact taking place. According to analysts many people find trustworthy, Georgia wouldn't act without a US approval because so much rides on the US support for them, in every shape and form. That's it, in a nutshell.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
What we are discussing here, almost by definition is speculation and estimating the probability of such fact taking place. According to analysts many people find trustworthy, Georgia wouldn't act without a US approval because so much rides on the US support for them, in every shape and form. That's it, in a nutshell.

Vitaly Churkin, the Russian ambassador to the UN, made a statement that Georgia wouldn't have attacked without US approval.

Rice said that she told them not to attack.

He said, she said. There isn't any proof she said that. He doesn't have any proof to back up his comment.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by buddhasystem
What we are discussing here, almost by definition is speculation and estimating the probability of such fact taking place. According to analysts many people find trustworthy, Georgia wouldn't act without a US approval because so much rides on the US support for them, in every shape and form. That's it, in a nutshell.

Vitaly Churkin, the Russian ambassador to the UN, made a statement that Georgia wouldn't have attacked without US approval.

Rice said that she told them not to attack.

He said, she said. There isn't any proof she said that. He doesn't have any proof to back up his comment.

Who cares what Rice says or who says Rice said whatever..

You guys are leaving one important ingredient out of the mix: The CIA.

You can bet your bottom dollar 'it' had everything to do with Georgia attacking the South Osettians, for what end I have no idea and still trying to figure it out. You can rest assured it had NOTHING to do with 'democracy' and probably more to do with oil hegemony. Can't have those Russians controlling all that Caspian oil....

What an irony, our evil little proxy fighter (err, provocateur), the CIA... It works for supergovernmental international corporate interests... NOT the good ol' USA.




Just stumbled across this article:

www.guardian.co.uk...

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Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
You can bet your bottom dollar 'it' had everything to do with Georgia attacking the South Osettians, for what end I have no idea and still trying to figure it out. You can rest assured it had NOTHING to do with 'democracy' and probably more to do with oil hegemony. Can't have those Russians controlling all that Caspian oil....

So this is all the fault of the CIA?

Not saying if Georgia was right or wrong, but you don't think the Russians weren't seeing this as a chance to overrun the pipeline?

Russia is simply trying to restore the old empire. They want to be treated as an equal to the US. They are somewhat successfully go about this plan by buying up natural resources to further make the world more dependent on the Russians.

As for trying to distract the Russians from a possible strike on Iran. I do not believe this to be the case. I think if anything, the Russians were the ones to initiate this conflict. The Georgians are blaming Ossetia for small arms fires on near by villages within Georgia. This seems quite likely, especially given the Russiab response, which was rather quick, and with rumors that Russian troops, along with armored personnel carriers, which were seen to be near the Georgian Russian border before this escalated into an attack on Georgia.

Follow the money trail, what is the economic importance of this conflict. Who has the most to gain, Russia or America.

Almost every head of the CIA has come from an economic background.

In the main thread about Georgia i said last night that this was probably what happend.


My theory on it was ..... That the US brokered a deal with Russia

Let me explain it again..

Action 1.. USA talks nicely with Russia (At or before olimpics) and makes deal with putin.. Deal is Russia can take over Georgia for the price of Russia staying out of the USA's way on the IRAN issue. Bush Tells Putin they will Cause a big stink internationally but it will only be political posturing etc

Action 2. Preparation .. USA Starts moving massive fleet towords Iran.
USA tells Leader of Georgia that they will Support Georgia's taking back of the breakaway areas.

Action 3. Hostilities take place.. Georgia under promises of support from USA move against the breakaway provences. Russia moves in and smashes them. Mainstream media on both sides creates massive confusion ..

Action 4.. US lead fleet starts embargo or attacks on iran.. (


Edit...

Another possibility is Russia is not involved in this and Bush got georgia involved in this to keep russia out of the way while our Fleet gets into position to do something to iran.

Whatever the case of reality in this situation is.. Georgia is a Pawn in this game.

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