Georgian, Russian war spreading - UN

t is said that China spens about 600% more than what they state when it comes to military budgets. I think the pie would look a little different if that was taken into a ccount. And thats only China...i wonder what other countries "misreport" US included?

Originally posted by LwSiX
reply to post by Gun Slinger

 

The problem with that chart is that some of those countries probably aren't going to be truthful about their spending, take China for example. Besides its not in anyone's interest to go to war with Russia.

reply to post by princeofpeace

Tell ya what bud, as soon as WW3 breaks out i'll come on here and post about how wrong i was

*Realizes that a post WW3 response is Silly and moves on*


See how easy it is?

Originally posted by LwSiX
reply to post by Gun Slinger

 

The problem with that chart is that some of those countries probably aren't going to be truthful about their spending, take China for example. Besides its not in anyone's interest to go to war with Russia.

I do believe those estimates are CIA estimates, which are usually takes into account a higher budget than is normally reported by the country of origin.

And I have no clue if that budget accounts for US black budget spending.

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Originally posted by princeofpeace
t is said that China spens about 600% more than what they state when it comes to military budgets. I think the pie would look a little different if that was taken into a ccount. And thats only China...i wonder what other countries "misreport" US included?

Ive heard 190% for china, but not 600, I would be interested in seeing where you got that claim from. I think china already spends 20% of its GDP on military, I cant imagine them wasting 70-80 % of their GDP on military spending. Im calling BS on that.

The problem with that chart is that some of those countries probably aren't going to be truthful about their spending, take China for example. Besides its not in anyone's interest to go to war with Russia.

I believe those are CIA figures, which are normally higher then the country of origins claims.

Originally posted by othehitmans
Interview From an American in Georgia telling Reporters on what is going on there....

www.youtube.com...

Does that guys hat say "BUSH"?

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[edit on 11-8-2008 by Frankenchrist]

Originally posted by Gun Slinger

Originally posted by princeofpeace
t is said that China spens about 600% more than what they state when it comes to military budgets. I think the pie would look a little different if that was taken into a ccount. And thats only China...i wonder what other countries "misreport" US included?

Ive heard 190% for china, but not 600, I would be interested in seeing where you got that claim from. I think china already spends 20% of its GDP on military, I cant imagine them wasting 70-80 % of their GDP on military spending. Im calling BS on that.

The problem with that chart is that some of those countries probably aren't going to be truthful about their spending, take China for example. Besides its not in anyone's interest to go to war with Russia.

I believe those are CIA figures, which are normally higher then the country of origins claims.

America would not stand a chance against Russia - not Russia against the US - it is jsut a pitifully ridiculous claim. No country has ever defeated Russia in Russia nor ever will - it is the oldest adage in military history - never invade Russia.

further the United states is engaged in two HOT wars one of which is estimated to cost three trillion dollars - with 50,000 new troops headed for Afghanistan and calls for reinstatement of the draft it looks like you are about to spend another galactic fortune on another war.

Now waht you don't get is that this does nothing for your military - there is no expansion in production, stock piles, fleets, craft etc rather a depletion of existing stock, wearing of replacement stock and a general reduction in potential across new and future conflicts. Pretty obvious stuff really.

Hence these stats are profoundly skewed by the reality of Iraq war expenditures which must be placed within this category - further - this actually weakens the remaining non - engaged military.

Originally posted by Gun Slinger

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons
reply to post by yellowcard

 

This Conflict, well now War, is 2 days old. Just wait, you will get your news.

I think that the US pushed Russia's hand. You know there is alot of 'talk' going around on just how they were able to shoot two planes down. There is also 'talk' on how the US soldiers, that are already there, shot them down. Hm


I do not blame Russia for kickin the door in. In fact if anything, it is a good lesson on how to do a job right. America sends Marines for security. Any devil dog will tell you, we come in kick ass and go home, thats what our training is for. Russia came in hard, commited, had a (kind) good reason, and laid down the law.

I thinks almost honorable, they kept their word.
Something America Has Never Done.

Well, look, Georgia has a population of 4.5 million. They have no airforce to speak of, old tanks, along with a very small army. It is expected, and is in no way comparable to the ass whooping give to the Iraqi military.

Im not trying to get into a dick measuring contest here. Its not about that. America did go in, cleaned house in both Iraq and Afghanistan, medium sized countrys. The difficult part has been occupying these countrys. Fighting the most difficult type of warfare.

You better believe if we go in (and I hope we don't) the US will clean russias clock, cause conventional warfare is Americas domain.

Afghanistan and Iraq were amongst the most impoverished countries on earth - Iraq had ten years of sanctions which had been preceded by the first gulf war which itself was preceded by the conflict with Iran - it had no military, it had no defences - half a million children had died as a direct consequences of the sanctions through preventable disease and malnutrition - further the action in Afghanistan is getting further out of control as fighters are coming from the bad lands faster than they can be killed - Iraq has ONLY calmed due to the control which Iran is asserting over he area -

The reality of Afghanistan is that it is now known as the Afghan - Pakistan war - the reality of Iraq is that the US is fighting to wrestle control of the are from Iran - something it has already lost.

Which part of this is a "clean house" - these are the most impoverished destitute regions outside of Africa and both have resisted US occupation and are no looking like forcing a withdrawal.

Please get some perspective - finally
the massive budget you are putting up for as all to wonder at does not factor in the the U.S. dollars collapse - it has almost halved relative tot he Euro and Pound - der. Further the expenditure which you have made has been funded by external sovereign funds SPECIFICALLY CHINA - the Chinese are paying for your slice of this wedge ??!!

Georgia Started this war - Russia is obligated to protect it's citizens in South Ossetia. Georgia is conducting ethnic cleansing.

The US media is attempting to show the Russians as the bad guys - when they are actually the good guys this time around.

Israelia and US advisers have been instigating and preparing this conflict quite heavily in the past few months. They got ahold of Russia's playbook and now the are using it to start a war which will cut Russia off from it's Ally, Iran.

A massive Armada is headed towards Iran in order to Blockade - Chinese and Russian ships are preparing to escort and protect their own commercial interests in the region.


"Chimes of Freedom | While the Ossetians claimed over 1000 dead the BBC neither reported this or any newsreel coming out of Ossetia showing the destruction caused by the Georgian shelling of the breakaway republic."

" Russia Prepares for Naval Blockade of Georgia
Kommersant | Ships are grouping in the Black Sea near the Georgian aquatic border."

So this is how it starts...

Things aren't looking good if a load of countries are turning their backs on/turning against Russia. especially if Israel and the US are giving support to Georgia, even through 'advisors' and military transport.

Plus if the rumours of US forces mobilizing around the world are true, Russia is going to start getting very defensive and paranoid.

This is where the UN should be doing it's job for once and stopping this from escalating any further.

Originally posted by DYepes
What are you talking about? Georgia is the one that initiated the attack. They launched a surprise shelling on the capital, and indiscriminetly just started shelling civilian areas. Russia had no choice but to do the right thing IMO.

I'd like to see were you got that fact from please.

Speculation and opinion is not news.

From my understanding, Georgian attacked what Russia was calling a humanitarian convoy that entered the breakaway province, unannounced and unwanted by the Georgians.. why it escalated to Georgians bombing the capital is unclear.. unless some of the convoy made its way there..

reply to post by Gun Slinger


Comparing "pennies spent" on military is quite pointless. In the US, you will happily shell out $1 Billion for a single aircraft, regardless whether it actually cost anywhere near that too make.

A good illustration would be the cost of an assault rifle in the US, Russia and China. In countries like China and Russia, things are decidedly cheaper to manufacture for a start, so their military will inherently be cheaper to maintain, whereas in the US, your big contractors are out to make as much money as possible so the mark-ups are huge.

I do not believe Russia and China have anywhere near the same corporate cronyism as the West, in fact many of their defence contractors and other industries are state owned. So that brings down the cost of maintaining a military significantly.

Anyhoo, on topic. Georgia deserves getting it's arse wooped. They started it after all and the regions that want to break away have the right, under international law, to self determination. They have held referenda and have voted to succeed, so they should be allowed to leave Georgia and do as they please. Reports indicate that Georgian forces have attempted the ethnically cleanse South Ossetia in the invasion, so I have no pity for them at all.

I would be mighty pissed off if the EU/NATO got sucked in over all this.

Originally posted by TruthTellist
Georgia Started this war - Russia is obligated to protect it's citizens in South Ossetia. Georgia is conducting ethnic cleansing.

Those Russian Citizens have dual membership. They obtained them after 1992 when a cease fire was implemented. Also those citizens had to apply for it.

Again.. speculation on "Georgia Started this war".

War is over. Cease-fire deal reached and documents signed. Russia is withdrawing.

www.jpost.com...

This War started when Georgia shot down two Russian planes and then shelled a Russian base killing ten and wounding thirty. That was the scratch that woke the Russian Bear.

There are currently 1200 Marines in Georgia along with Israeli and US advisors - one has already been captured by the Russians. And they already found the body of an American Black with US insignias and Devildog tattoos.

Read any Russian Newspaper - They all know America caused this. The Russian people are angry at America. They know the truth.

Georgia is Russia's Route to Iran. Russia is cut off from Iran and an American/EU Armada is sailing towards Iran. Russia can't help their Ally in Iran, until they deal with Georgia.

The time is ripe for an American Attack on Iran.

I can't believe the people in America actually think Russia Started this... I guess the propaganda is being doled out in mass Quantity in the US. But then again, Americans are stupid and only believe it if it's on TV; well guess who the TV is blaming for starting this WAR.... Russia.

Americans don't realize how much the rest of the world hates them. They are just so ignorant of their reputation.


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Ummmm....being that this is now over i guess all of the above isnt really true? And what about those folks who said WW3 is starting?