Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Originally posted by Rentor
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Your only representing Russian view, there is info that S.Q started this and Georgia said enough and then attack

[edit on 12-8-2008 by Rentor]

Whatever. If they did provoke them, does that give the Georgians the right to gun-down 1,500 civilian souls in the street? Answer me that.

I don't think anyone in NATO was going to let Georgia join - that'd mean definitely having to come and defend Georgia.

Forgive me for being cynical, but this is bit of a lesson learned for other nations - don't rely entirely on the United States as an ally to come to your aid if you're invaded.

"A few terrorists with some homemade rockets, sure, we'll help!"

"Russians? Uh... Well, you're a democracy beacon, a beacon of democracy, you can do it!"



I really think Russia caught wind of what was being planned for Iran, and they've moved first to get at the Caspian Sea.

This is easily turning into a psyop war for all the rest of us to have bit of a chew on.

MOSCOW, Aug 12 (Reuters) - Georgia's separatist region Abkhazia has launched a military offensive to force Georgian troops out of the upper part of the disputed Kodori gorge, Russia's Interfax news agency reported on Tuesday.

Abkhaz forces launch offensive in Kodori

www.alertnet.org...

And so it continues.

reply to post by Alphard


*Snip* - very nearly the full spectrum of political view points , nationalities and religions in the last 150 odd pages (liberal, nazi and commie - iranian , american , russian and indian, muslim and rhabid christian) i have been name called

brilliant - such name calling is truly facetious

if your own countries media is that unbiased - how about posting some links? all i see on here is sky. reuters , afp, bbc, fox and cnn so accept the challenge - be advised though that the moment they start saying ` georgian offical` its as `unbiased` as the rest.

as for agenda - why are the MSM not agreeing when they to are `on teh ground` - some say Gori is nice and quiet and undamaged whilst others say its a wreck....



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Originally posted by mattguy404
I really think Russia caught wind of what was being planned for Iran, and they've moved first to get at the Caspian Sea.

This is easily turning into a psyop war for all the rest of us to have bit of a chew on.

That doesn't make much sense. Russia is already at the Caspian Sea, Georgia is at the Black Sea.

BBC News Interview with Georgian President

Kind of looks like Sakashvilii giving a show and tell presentation. He is nice and calm for once - not sure when this was filmed, if it was before or after his panic attack outside.

No real new news in it unfortunately, but he does talk about having a perception for months that the Russians were going to attack Georgia.

I think one of the best things any of us who are following the events can do - is apply a filter. Do not listen to what they say 'WHY' they are doing something. Just listen to WHAT they say they are doing. And do not listen to what they tell about each other, as thats probably not on the level either.

What is left is that Georgians tell that they have fallen back to defend their capital. And russians say that they are advancing and new military operations have begun in abhazia...

And after that you yourself figure out the 'why'-s.

Why are people still saying that Gori has been invaded? The latest news is of renewed air strikes agains Gori. Originally Georgia said that Russia had captured Gori, however the secretary of their security council subsequently said that Russia was staying out of Gori (but that they were inside Russian territory.) Witnesses on the ground also reported that Gori was abandoned.

The only confirmed Russian incursions into Georgian cities and villiages were in Zugdidi and Senaki, the latter of which may have been departed from already.

I repeat - there is no definitive confirmation that Russia has occupied Gori or that Gori has fallen. Reports suggesting that it had were citing the Georgian interior ministry as the source, and Georgia later clarified that Russia had not invaded Gori.

This is an important clarification and one that people seem to be overlooking time and time again. Russia has indeed invaded Georgia, however the scope and scale of that invasion remains to be confirmed or verified. So far all we know for sure is Senaki and Zugdidi.

The port of Poti capture is also disputed and unverified.

Almost everything about this conflict comes from Russian or Georgian sources, with little if any independent confirmation. That's one of my major concerns and curiosities.

Another distinction that should be made - Abkhazia is fighting Georgian forces in a disputed gorge in Abkhazia. This is distinct (though probably related) to the Russian offensives.

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

Originally posted by -Rugged Shark-

Originally posted by mattguy404
I really think Russia caught wind of what was being planned for Iran, and they've moved first to get at the Caspian Sea.

This is easily turning into a psyop war for all the rest of us to have bit of a chew on.

That doesn't make much sense. Russia is already at the Caspian Sea, Georgia is at the Black Sea.

The pipeline bypasses Russia completely. You need still need a pipe to get the stuff out.

As a new significant non-OPEC source of oil, Azerbaijan will
become a significant contributor to Europe’s energy security, a desperately needed
asset given Russia’s dominance in the European energy market. The fact that Azerbaijan’s
leadership has preferred this western route over Russian or Iranian routes shows
the limited nature of Baku’s trust in its northern and southern neighbors and its
desire to secure the country’s independence and sovereignty with the help of
Turkey and the West.

www.silkroadstudies.org...


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i must ask - why is no one talking to Eduard Kokoity he is the elected president of South Ossetia after all

Originally posted by pluckynoonez

Originally posted by Rentor
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Your only representing Russian view, there is info that S.Q started this and Georgia said enough and then attack

[edit on 12-8-2008 by Rentor]

Whatever. If they did provoke them, does that give the Georgians the right to gun-down 1,500 civilian souls in the street? Answer me that.

Sure its war same as Russia bombing of the cities the # of dead so far is countless probably far greater then what happen in S.Q
So both are wrong it doesn't matter.

reply to post by Harlequin


That's very good question Maybe he is too busy attending his people or making war plans with Putin

reply to post by AceWombat04

Thanks, it appears you are correct when you say that Gori has not been taken over by russians yet. I wish there were more webcams in that region.. yesterday we got some good shots from thbilisi, but nothing from other regions

reply to post by Rentor


except that the TV cres in georgia arn`t showing the same images of destruction as there is in S.O. , you know like bombed cities and flattened buildings - all we see is the same damaged building in Tbilisi

Originally posted by Harlequin
i must ask - why is no one talking to Eduard Kokoity he is the elected president of South Ossetia after all

I agree, good question. I guess the west is busy making it look like s-ossetia is completely just a part of Georgia. however the fact that russians have not showcased him either tells us that they dont really care about him either - they are only after their own goals

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There's pics of Gori just in wreck and bombing damage in the capital
I should go look for some pics for ya

reply to post by Alphard


There could be a more logical answer. TV crews are in Georgia proper, in order to get to S.O. they'll have to move through the battlezone. Needles to say that under the given situation, where nobody knows what is going on, they're willing to risk that. They probably waiting for a ceasefire of somesorts, so that they can safely cross into S.O.

It appears that another ex-soviet republic, Estonia (who is now hosting a NATO cyber defence center) is sending 2 cyber-experts to Georgia to help keep the Georgian government sites up despite the constant attacks. Source.

www.cnn.com...
This should clear up some questions,Russian troops are outside of Gori and Gori been abandon-read rest click on link
Also click on the pictures as you see Gori looks like it been pounded a lot

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Retired AF Col. Sam Gardiner says the biggest threat is Russian tactical nuclear war, if the US uses precision bombing on Russian forces: THE NUCLEAR THREAT. on Democracy Now

Attack Iran and you attack Russia

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SKY TV - BREAKING - Explosion in Georgian capital Tbilisi.

- AP: Dutch ambassador says TV correspondent killed in Gori.

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