'Please kill me,' pleads man accused in beheading murder

He could have been brainwashed or programmed to do it (wouldn't surprize me these days) test gone wrong....or right,lol, sounds pretty messed non the less.

To those defending the killer


Anyone taking the man's side or trying to defend him for being sick- Should also take into account that he rushed the bus driver, which was why the driver and a trucker held the door shut- He taunted police when they arrived on scene with the head of the victim, he then further mangled the corpse, and consumed parts of it.

Not only that, but when he was taken into custody, he was found to have the nose, part of a lip, and an ear in a plastic bag, in his pocket.

So yes, he is sick.
But remorseful?

I love my country, but, the thought of anyone defending this man in our judicial system shames me to be Canadian.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Dewm0nster]

It is a requirement for remorse that you be fully aware of your actions and their consequences. Mental illness directly affects your awareness. So if you want to blame the person for not feeling remorse, then you're basically blaming the person for being sick.

Take that path if you want, but it's not like mental illness and remorse are completely unrelated. One affects the other.

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sorry,but i would want someone like him to suffer for years,he does not deserve death

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

I agree with you, partially. He is not a monster. He is a human being who is sick. Anyone of us can be pushed to the point of insanity and do horrible and gruesome things. It just depends on stimulus. So, if, one day, you become sick and act out horrible acts and then writhe in pain, are you a monster too?

So, if this was your mom, your brother, your sister, your child, your aunt, uncle, dad, cousin, best friend, or anyone else you were close to that was killed in such a HORRIFIC way you are honestly saying you would feel the same?

Are you kidding me?? Quit smoking the crack ppl

I wouldn't. If it were somebody close to me that was killed I would be the worse person to consult about the right thing to be done. I would probably be in a blind rage and want to kill him with my bare hands... Luckily, people so affected are not in a position to decide such things.
In such a situation it takes a very objective view to work out the best course of action.
Just because you do not care about a person that does not mean that they are not a person. If we are to evolve, in this situation we have to understand the man and try to choose the wisest course of action. That's not the job for the family and friends of the murdered. How could they reliably bear such a burden after their lose.

Originally posted by n0tsan3

This coming from a man with a picture of Ghandi in his tag. You should do the man a favor and take that picture off while saying things like this. An eye for an eye right? Who's blind then? Oh Everyone....

in terms of executing murderers? No we arent "all blind", only those who choose to murder, which, thankfully, is not most of us

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

I agree with you, partially. He is not a monster. He is a human being who is sick. Anyone of us can be pushed to the point of insanity and do horrible and gruesome things. It just depends on stimulus. So, if, one day, you become sick and act out horrible acts and then writhe in pain, are you a monster too?

YES. 100% Yes. If you commit horrible acts of murder and mutilation, then you have become a monster, regardless of the reasons or cause.

Apart from looking shaken up, he appears quite normal looking

I have no problem with capital punishment, provided that the accused has confessed in open court. I am always disturbed by the imaginative ways people come up with to execute a criminal though, it reminds me of just how thin our civilized veneer is, and just how savage the lonely hunter beneath can be.

The more I hear about this guy, the more convinced I become that he’s a mind control victim. If so, what a horrible existence he’s led. Such programming almost always begins in childhood, and is accomplished through horrible mental trauma. The people who do such things are in for a judgment that even the most twisted of the vengeful could not conceive of.

Or he could be just another coincidental mental.

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Most extreme nut jobs do appear 'normal' looking. Aren't most of them described by neighbours as "quiet, friendly and mostly kept to himself. I can't belive he could do something like this"

Originally posted by resistor
I have no problem with capital punishment, provided that the accused has confessed in open court. I am always disturbed by the imaginative ways people come up with to execute a criminal though, it reminds me of just how thin our civilized veneer is, and just how savage the lonely hunter beneath can be.

The more I hear about this guy, the more convinced I become that he’s a mind control victim. If so, what a horrible existence he’s led. Such programming almost always begins in childhood, and is accomplished through horrible mental trauma. The people who do such things are in for a judgment that even the most twisted of the vengeful could not conceive of.

Or he could be just another coincidental mental.

A mind-control victim? Based on what, exactly?

Originally posted by VIKINGANT Most extreme nut jobs do appear 'normal' looking. Aren't most of them described by neighbours as "quiet, friendly and mostly kept to himself. I can't belive he could do something like this"

Well the serial killer or spree killer types often are described that way. Schizophrenics usually do NOT appear normal to those that know them, sure if they are very quiet it may not be obvious to casual observers, but schizophrenics have serious issues with reality and perception.

They are different than the typical sociopathic killer, sociopaths are lucid, they know what they are doing and usually they can relate to their environment and to others in a "normal" way. They are not hearing voices, seeing monsters, or thinking the world is out to get them. On that note, some of the folks on ATS come off as schizophrenic to me, especially the ones that start rambling about mind control and how people are watching/following them becasue they posted here.


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I'd rather see him in a mental hospital. There's something really... off... about this, I think. Maybe once he's medicated proper, we can figure out what the hell really happened and what was going through his head.

My .02 cents.

(Almost reminds me of Fahrenheit, or Indigo Prophecy in the US)

Originally posted by Sonya610
Well the serial killer or spree killer types often are described that way. Schizophrenics usually do NOT appear normal to those that know them, sure if they are very quiet it may not be obvious to casual observers, but schizophrenics have serious issues with reality and perception.

Actually, the people who know them would probably know they were schizophrenic, and so they would appear normal. I know what you mean, but when we say how someone appears, we're talking about how they appear to the casual observer. It's also worth mentioning that there are many different 'stages' of schizophrenia, and some of them are more apparent to the casual observer than others.

On that note, some of the folks on ATS come off as schizophrenic to me, especially the ones that start rambling about mind control and how people are watching/following them becasue they posted here.

I think you're confusing paranoia & paranoid delusions with schizophrenia. Sure, paranoid delusions are common with schizophrenia, but not all paranoia is schizophrenia, and not all schizophrenia is paranoia.

ok well then how about this one get a parachute with 2 rip cords one that actually deployes the chute and another that will rip the bag pack off so hell plummet to earth and then stick him on a plane and drop him, if he survives this test it means he deservesd life and should get help from the goverment if he dies problem solved

Im usually not one for cruelty, but i recommend keeping him alive, hooking him up to an awake machine and make him watch all the slasher movies out there, and feed him foods that make him feel mildly ill for 6 months straight. 2 hours of sleep a night.

Otherwise i was going to say maybe he had been the victim of some new suggestion wave technology, where someone whispers into a microphone and it transmits the words into someones unwitting brain?

Or this guy is nuts and hes just bi-polar or multiple-personality?

There's been some serious computer-desk diagnosing going on in this thread (and I'm not really one to judge, but at least I know enough not to guess a diagnosis at this stage) but that just takes the cake.

MPD and bi-polar? How could you possibly come to that conclusion? Bi-polar maybe because he seemed calm in the photos, and obviously was out of it when he committed the act, but even that's a stretch. But MPD? What could possibly give you that idea?

Originally posted by TheStev
There's been some serious computer-desk diagnosing going on in this thread (and I'm not really one to judge, but at least I know enough not to guess a diagnosis at this stage) but that just takes the cake.

MPD and bi-polar? How could you possibly come to that conclusion? Bi-polar maybe because he seemed calm in the photos, and obviously was out of it when he committed the act, but even that's a stretch. But MPD? What could possibly give you that idea?

HAHAHHA thats great desk diagnosis make that your mini message, but its so true all these people who wana be liberal dont take into account that sometimes the cure is worse than the dissease and in this case the guy should be fed to hungry pigs a la hannibal to get a taste of his own medicine. yeah i know cruel and unsual but if he really want to experience such acts why not experience them directly.

i'm all for this loco getting his neck wacked cuz if someone dont doit, hes just gona be doing this again and maybe next time it will be on you or someone you know.

You cant let people who are obviously twisted roam free kill the psychos i say kill them all i'm tired of hearing all of these gruesome horror stories.

this is why guns should be carried by everyone, i bet you that the world would be a safer place if everyone had a gun cuz you know that if you try to start # your ass might end up getting shot.

on a side note this would make great drama for life insurance drama on TV

[edit on 8/7/2008 by razor1000]

Originally posted by TheStev I think you're confusing paranoia & paranoid delusions with schizophrenia. Sure, paranoid delusions are common with schizophrenia, but not all paranoia is schizophrenia, and not all schizophrenia is paranoia.

I am sure you are right. Oh and the ones that claim to have encountered lots of demons in various capacities...I wonder about those folks too.

Originally posted by Sonya610
...I am sure you are right. Oh and the ones that claim to have encountered lots of demons in various capacities...I wonder about those folks too.

Maybe "those folks" are talking about and describing things that they are ACTUALLY SEEING. My vote on this one goes to demonic possession.

In the Book of Enoch, it talks about how the children of fallen angels (who had mated with humans) were cursed to roam the earth, until judgment, as spirits. It also talks about how these creatures were cannabilistic, and truly and utterly evil. Sounds suspiciously close to what we are dealing with here.

Unfortunately, our medical sciences have not researched enough to determine the difference between a mental problem, a physical problem, and a spiritual problem.