'Please kill me,' pleads man accused in beheading murder

I know what you're saying, and as someone who has battled suicidal thoughts, I can assure you I have considered all aspects of the 'life of misery' vs death argument.

But ultimately, it boils down to a 'What's in the box' question. Maybe death is just blackness, nothing, an end. Or maybe it's a place much worse than this. But we don't know, so it's like asking to choose between a clearly identified prize or 'What's in the box'.

That said, there is a big difference between deciding it is time for your own life to end, and deciding it is time for someone else's life to end.

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i commend you for what you've written evan though i dont entirely agree. you show great compassion and hope more where like you including myself.

it is a totally unbeleivable thing to happen though there are millions more atrocities happening on this earth that dont make the papers so maybe we should all take a step back and really start examaning why such violence takes place. have only been on ats for one day though think some people on here may hold the answers.

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Well thankfully you havn't been curios enough to find out what is in the box and sincerely hope yu never have to make the decision t find out in due course like the rest of us.

That said, there are still some like my friend and apparently Vincent who are troubled enough to not care what is on the other side because the pain this side is too much.

Thank you for helping people to try and see reason on this. Now that I have had a bit of a break away from the emotion this has brought out in people, I can see he is already in pain, but I still stand by my original comments to let him have what he is asking for. Like somebody said earlier, he may want death but it is not easy to take your own life. If his actions were for the end goal of getting shot, his only hope now that he has been caught is to ask for somebody to do it for him.

Well the judge saw enough to decide Li get his head examined, so clearly the judge thinks he is not right in the head. As to the fact that the fact passengers were taking ecstasy was never brought up puzzles me. I will wait to see what they decide after Li's mental evaluation.

Originally posted by Sonya610
This whole thing is just so sad. The guy was sick, he was suffering, paranoid and he lost it. Now he can't live with what he has done.

I can't help but feel sorry for him.

Please remember, long after killing the man, removing his head, taunting the passengers, as well as allowing time for the police to arrive to this stretch of Canadian road God-knows-how-far from the nearest police station, he also cut off individual pieces and ate them, that is to say .. chew them up, in front of the police, meaning in a window like "look at me im eating a penis", for example. Then, as if this isn't enough .. the man jumps from a window and is obviously caught by police, but maybe he thought he'd get away, I don't know. So what do they find on him? A plastic bag, full of various body parts, an ear, a nose, a piece of a mouth, etc. For him to snack on later, you know?

That is not "losing it" and "suffering". If what you say is true, he should have immediately committed suicide, a quick slice of the wrists, no one would've known or seen, and by the time theyd storm the bus, he'd be dead. But he didn't do that, he wasn't ashamed enough. He had to be sane at that point, because if insane, why not kill yourself too? But we'll never know. And more importantly, why grab a snack bag for later?! Unless you had plans on partaking of that flesh @ a later point in time? A person doesn't stay in a psychotic episode forever, and there's nothing in the books about being a shizophrenic that makes you a murderer/cannibal .. planning in advance for your meal of human flesh.

I'm sorry, but having the bag of body parts took it one step too far into the pre-meditated stage, I'm sorry really .. but the guy is not as innocent by insanity as you make him sound.

I recall lyrics from a song.. "Canada .. has no death penalty". No wonder he's asking for death, he knows Canada doesn't kill criminals, surely it just makes him look crazy. You people are so easily swayed and convinced of things. It should be the other way around until PROVEN otherwise.. so wait until there is clinical proof of insanity.

Originally posted by DYepes
Well thats clear and cut enough for me. Take him out back and use a single bullet. Will cost us less than fifty cents compared to the tens of thoousands of dollars for keeping him in a prison until he has had enough time to rot and then pay a few extra dollars of electricity or chemical solution.

I dont believe Canada has a death sentence though does it? LOL. This guy is practically making a mockery of the judicial system. Demanding to die for a gruesome crime when the law forbids it. Thats a waste of money if I ever heard of it.

Tell that to the 12 innocently executed here.

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Are you suggesting a person of sound mind would be capable of things like this? This man is clearly deranged. Even with pre planning he is exhibiting signs of mental issues. Dont think because I understand where Stev is coming from that I am sympathising with this guy. He is a sick and twisted individual that society is better off without. Even with understanding, he will never be rehabilitated and will only ever be a drain on society.

Szticks,
sure there are plenty of cases of wrongly executed criminals, but I don't care who you are, this clearly is not one of these cases

Originally posted by DYepesThank God something like this has not happened in public in Tampa for many years. But rest assured. sonia and stev, I wont allow any other man hurt yall if we are all on the same bus together. Of course you would be calling me the criminal then I am sure.

What are you talking about? I am not against the death penalty. I have a carry permit, always carry a S&W .38 and fortunately a new law passed so in Georgia we can even carry on trains and buses.

What I don't like is that some people are hating and reveling in the idea of torturing this obviously sick man. If a rabid dog attacked me or my family, I would shoot the dog too, but I would not "hate" on the dog. I would not want to make the "evil dog suffer" and torture him for a bit before I shot him. I would feel honestly feel sorry for the dog.

Originally posted by runetang
Please remember, long after killing the man, removing his head, taunting the passengers, as well as allowing time for the police to arrive to this stretch of Canadian road God-knows-how-far from the nearest police station, he also cut off individual pieces and ate them, that is to say .. chew them up, in front of the police, meaning in a window like "look at me im eating a penis", for example.

The guy was absolutely nuts! You think the fact that he stored human body parts in his POCKET while a crowd of people were surrounding the bus and the police were coming shows he was NOT CRAZY???

Or maybe you think he was planning on having that as a snack at the police station during the interrogation? And that plan proves he was sane and aware of his actions and planning for later on in case there weren't any snickers bars available?



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I do think that this guy most likely will never be rehabilitated, and I agree that the people who receive the death penalty are most likely guilty. I just think that 'most likely' is not good enough to decide between life or death.

But when you do consider the majority, it's easier to see how putting them to death rather than letting taxpayers spend money on them makes more sense. I'm certainly not rock solid on this issue, but when I really consider it, I always come up erring on the side of caution, whatever the monetary cost to society.

Originally posted by TheStev
I do think that this guy most likely will never be rehabilitated,

He is a paranoid schizophrenic, it is NOT ABOUT rehabilitation. It is about medication! Rehabilitation has nothing to do with it.

I would use two bullets just to be sure.

Our household was in utter shock after hearing what happened there.

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Oh yea you are so quick to eliminate unknown,just go back to Vietnam where your countryman killed thousands of inosent men ,women and children for no other reason than just to be proud american.
Yes I know I was there. The only reason you want to eliminate poor bastard because he is Chinaman.
Remember the ignorance,how many Iraquis did Bush kill. For what?

You know what I hate about the system? The fact that he will be found not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm so sick of them doing that. He needs to be found "GUILTY" by reason of insanity and still put to death.

Originally posted by Sonya610
This whole thing is just so sad. The guy was sick, he was suffering, paranoid and he lost it. Now he can't live with what he has done.

I can't help but feel sorry for him. He is crazy he is not sadistic. People like to say "yeah just shoot him" or "get rid of the monster" and that really shows a lack of empathy. In a kinder society he would be offered a discreet suicide option. He doesn't want to live, he shoudn't have to live, but people should not be so vicious as to revel in his suffering.

It was a tragedy for everyone concerned.

So its cruel to execute someone who decapitates a stranger and then eats part of the body, but enlightened to facilitate him choosing his own suicide,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Execute this maniac/filth/nutcase *insert appropriate label you prefer*

Originally posted by Solarskye
You know what I hate about the system? The fact that he will be found not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm so sick of them doing that. He needs to be found "GUILTY" by reason of insanity and still put to death.

Are you serious? If to be guilty is to have committed a wrong, and he is guilty by reason of insanity, then you're saying he's committed the act of being insane. You think he chose to be insane? You think for this reason he should be killed? Damn.

He is a paranoid schizophrenic, it is NOT ABOUT rehabilitation. It is about medication! Rehabilitation has nothing to do with it.

If he is a paranoid schizophrenic, sure, but as I understand it, his friends and family were worried this was the case. I don't believe he's actually been diagnosed. But that's besides the point, it was a poor choice of words. All the back and forth between this specific case and death penalty policy got me confused. I mean reintegrated rather than rehabilitated.

Originally posted by TheStev
Are you serious? If to be guilty is to have committed a wrong, and he is guilty by reason of insanity, then you're saying he's committed the act of being insane. You think he chose to be insane? You think for this reason he should be killed? Damn.

He was not so insane that he did not figure out how to pay for a bus ticket and get on a bus and clothe himself (presumably he was not so insane as to be able to feed himself either).

This happening reminds me kinda of a Montauk Project issue on mind control. Hope that isn't the case here.

Originally posted by harry1Oh yea you are so quick to eliminate unknown,just go back to Vietnam where your countryman killed thousands of inosent men ,women and children for no other reason than just to be proud american.
Yes I know I was there. The only reason you want to eliminate poor bastard because he is Chinaman.
Remember the ignorance,how many Iraquis did Bush kill. For what

This is beyond ignorance. This is just plain stupidity! This isn't even close to being an incident that is comparable to the Vietnam.

This man, whether he is chinese, african, irish, german, iraqi, american, indian, mexican, retarded, intelligent, christian, jew, muslim, satanist, whatever randomly took out an innocent person in the most gruesome way and flaunted the fact that he was doing so.

Poor bastard?? Fine, he is like a rabid dog (as someone else had mentioned), just like a rabid dog, the guy NEEDS to be taken out. He is a danger to society and to keep him around is a waste of time and an insult to the REAL victim that so many of you seem to be forgetting about.

Originally posted by pluckynoonez

Originally posted by DYepes
This guy is practically making a mockery of the judicial system. Demanding to die for a gruesome crime when the law forbids it. Thats a waste of money if I ever heard of it.

When did he do that? By swaying and grunting and saying "please kill me"? Where is the demand? He sounds sick. He sounds like he has been sick for some time. Maybe dipping him in acid would make you feel better and quell your rage (and your perception of mockery), but he will still die a sick man. I for one think all the mentally insane should be boiled in acid for mocking the system. How's that? Do we make ourselves feel better by killing others? I was just wondering, just a thought....

I agree. Too many people think the judicial system is for Revenge. We need to understand what happened and I think this guys lawyer needs to do a drug test.

If some drug reaction caused this -- we all need to know. This case, and a few others of recent note, sound too bizarre and show a similar MO of people being totally wacked out, and then a day or two later either not knowing that they calmly admitted the crime, or being freaked out with remorse.

If some sort of drug causes people to behave this way - they are victims in a sense as well. I know that people really like the idea of personal responsibility -- and the notion that people aren't always in control of themselves, seems to scare people with this doctrine. But it is only true when people are healthy and don't have some crazy chemicals going through their bodies. And even still, businesses spend Billions to take advantage of our primitive instincts.

>> I'm not saying to NOT punish him if he is guilty. On the other hand, the lack of lucidity, and any attempt to hide the crime, does not indicate that this person is an actual deranged killer -- but was out of his mind, and likely because of drugs. There are chemicals you could slip anyone to turn them into a homicidal maniac and these should be ruled out.

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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by TheStev
Are you serious? If to be guilty is to have committed a wrong, and he is guilty by reason of insanity, then you're saying he's committed the act of being insane. You think he chose to be insane? You think for this reason he should be killed? Damn.

He was not so insane that he did not figure out how to pay for a bus ticket and get on a bus and clothe himself (presumably he was not so insane as to be able to feed himself either).

You are basing this on a TV understanding of insanity. We also don't know if it wasn't something he took or was given to him while on the bus that made him crazy.