'Please kill me,' pleads man accused in beheading murder

Originally posted by TheStev

Originally posted by Solarskye
You know what I hate about the system? The fact that he will be found not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm so sick of them doing that. He needs to be found "GUILTY" by reason of insanity and still put to death.

Are you serious? If to be guilty is to have committed a wrong, and he is guilty by reason of insanity, then you're saying he's committed the act of being insane. You think he chose to be insane? You think for this reason he should be killed? Damn.

Yes I'm serious. There are other insane people out there that don't kill people. That's what makes him the same as a sane person killing someone for no reason. He deserves the same punishment and nothing less. " GUILTY BY INSANITY" yes he is. And guilty of murder.

[edit on 8/6/2008 by Solarskye]

Originally posted by Solarskye
You know what I hate about the system? The fact that he will be found not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm so sick of them doing that. He needs to be found "GUILTY" by reason of insanity and still put to death.

This doesn't happen nearly as much as conservatives like to whine about it. You cannot base judicial policy based upon the worst of crimes -- but on rational deterrence and justice.

People this crazy are NOT deterred by punishments. Punishments don't make people live again. If this guy is liable to do it again -- then I'd say put him out of everyone's misery.

However, if he was insane, and it isn't likely to happen again -- it wasn't something he chose to do. We need to find out why. It is really self-satisfying to say; "let him fry" every time something this terrible happens.

I'm more concerned with the damage that White Collar criminals do to society than the odd rabid dog.

Normally, I'd say let him fry -- but this case seems to be one of those rare ones where someone was totally out of their mind and probably not aware of their actions. I think others have pointed out their concerns with how odd this story is.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


It's always insanity or the devil made me do it, or GOD, etc... No matter what went on in this mans head he took a life and that's that. I say kill him and then open him up and study the animal. Take his brain and do all you can to figure him out, but to pay tax payers money to study him, feed him and care for him is crazy. There's better ways to spend that money. Even he demands to be killed, that sounds sane to me.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
[You are basing this on a TV understanding of insanity. We also don't know if it wasn't something he took or was given to him while on the bus that made him crazy.

no I'm not, don't be so presumptious as to how or why I base my "understanding"

Quite simply, the guy has done something so heinous as to forfeit his right to life, regardless of permanent or "temporary" insanity

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst


I'm more concerned with the damage that White Collar criminals do to society than the odd rabid dog.

this is a nonsense, punish the white collar criminals appropriately (clearly they do not deserve the same sentence as someone who beheads and eats a fellow human)- just because I support the execution of this dude (I really do not see how "studying" will prevent anything in the future- in 100 years some evil/crazy *delete as you feel appropriate* fella will do something unspeakably evil, and all the studies in the world will never stop it) does not mean I somehow do not agree with punishing corporate/financial crime

Ultimately i would always fear getting decapitated more than getting financially scammed....

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst


I'm more concerned with the damage that White Collar criminals do to society than the odd rabid dog.

this is a nonsense, punish the white collar criminals appropriately (clearly they do not deserve the same sentence as someone who beheads and eats a fellow human)- just because I support the execution of this dude (I really do not see how "studying" will prevent anything in the future- in 100 years some evil/crazy *delete as you feel appropriate* fella will do something unspeakably evil, and all the studies in the world will never stop it) does not mean I somehow do not agree with punishing corporate/financial crime

Ultimately i would always fear getting decapitated more than getting financially scammed....

Thank you. I was gonna wait to see if anyone else pointed out the insanity in this comment.

Hmmmm...... guy hacks at, decapitates, cuts up, eats kid AND flaunts it, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt and go after the ppl that work and make something for themselves. Grab your pitchforks and torches folks............ we have some REAL sickos to go after, damn white collared bastards

Originally posted by Solarskye
You know what I hate about the system? The fact that he will be found not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm so sick of them doing that. He needs to be found "GUILTY" by reason of insanity and still put to death.

He is in CANADA. There is NO DEATH PENALTY IN CANADA.

They are going to lock him up somewhere and that is the end of the story.

Here is the problem with this rehashing of a thread: those who knew him personally have claimed that he was mentally ill and refused treatment. The word "Schizophrenic" is used often. In another thread on this subject i linked to an article discussing his mental illness, and gave every reason why i believe him to be mentally ill based on my experience working in a mental hospital for a number of years.

However, that info is not in any thread but one. The rehashing of it in other threads has spread out any information that we may gather on this man into countless different directions, making a gathering of the "whole story" almost impossible.

He was crazy. He isn't an a-hole. He isn't satan. He wasn't under the control of HAARP. He was mentally ill.

I posted this in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is the primary article:

www.winnipegfreepress.com...

Excerpt:

They say Li was clearly battling mental illness, but refused repeated offers to see a doctor and get help.

"I think, in their culture, (the issue of mental illness) is kind of frowned upon," the woman said. She works in the mental health field and said it was obvious Li was struggling.

"He was definitely schizophrenic, probably paranoid schizophrenic," she said. "He needed help but he just wouldn't get it."

There was the constant paranoia, a feeling that he was always being watched and that others might be out to get him.

There were his bizarre, rambling stories that seemed to come out of nowhere.

And there were the unannounced bus trips that would catch his wife by surprise -- such as the time he hopped on a Greyhound headed to The Pas, later explaining that he wanted to look at some land he was thinking about buying.

"I don't think he actually had any money. This was probably just a symptom of his disease," the woman said.

He was crazy, and was prone to taking off on busses without much notice to his loved ones. The violence is part of schizoprenia. I have seen it time and time again, working admissions in a mental hospital with the largest catchment area in the state of Texas.

The "Please kill me" was likley not a lucid statement, either. It likely is another manifestation of his psychosis. Most often when someone has such a severe psychotic break, they have no recollection of their actions. What they remember is a warped, "Alice in Wonderland" version of events that they are hardly attached to on a psychological level.

Originally posted by DYepes
See now, we should not be defending this person. "Its ok you cut off an innocent persons head, you are misunderstood, we will try to help you... We will make sure those monsters dont hurt you!!"

Please, tell that to the family of the innocent by stander that was minding his own business!!!!! Or the terrified passengers who may now develop their own emotional problems from witnessing such horrors.

again I must re-iterate, there is nothing to be gained by killing him in such a gruesome and probably very painfukl manner as a wood chipper. Thats about as sick as his own line of thinking.

Just a single bullet, thats all we need. One bullet turn of the brain permanently, and its all done. quick and easy.

This coming from a man with a picture of Ghandi in his tag. You should do the man a favor and take that picture off while saying things like this. An eye for an eye right? Who's blind then? Oh Everyone....

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You did a fine job attacking the poster. Now what about his post?

Thanks to Li and his families ignorance of not getting him help a 22 year old man was mutilated and chewed on. To put all this blame on Schizophrenia and not on his family and him is an injustice to the victim and his family. This man is beyond help at this point and people cannot take a chance and say " they don't know if he'll do it again". I wouldn't want him living anywhere near me, on or off medication. It's a waste of money to study this man. There's plenty of other Schizophrenic patients we can study. He doesn't need help, the victims family needs the help.

[edit on 8/6/2008 by Solarskye]

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
In another thread on this subject i linked to an article discussing his mental illness, and gave every reason why i believe him to be mentally ill based on my experience working in a mental hospital for a number of years.

He was crazy. He isn't an a-hole. He isn't satan. He wasn't under the control of HAARP. He was mentally ill.

Yeah, I said he was crazy right off too in the "eating flesh" thread but that for some reason was NOT a good enough explanation.

Every other theory seemed more interesting; he took ecstacy, he was slipped PCP, he was a serial killer, his mind was controlled by the government, he was possessed by demons, he was possessed by a wendigo, he wanted to join Asian gang, etc...

The best comments were along the lines of "he had a knife and knew how to use it so that shows he can't be crazy, he knew what he was doing".

Sigh.

Originally posted by Solarskye
Thanks to Li and his families ignorance of not getting him help a 22 year old man was mutilated and chewed on. To put all this blame on Schizophrenia and not on his family and him is an injustice to the victim and his family. This man is beyond help at this point and people cannot take a chance and say " they don't know if he'll do it again". I wouldn't want him living anywhere near me, on or off medication. It's a waste of money to study this man. There's plenty of other Schizophrenic patients we can study. He doesn't need help, the victims family needs the help.

[edit on 8/6/2008 by Solarskye]

Thats disgusting, you're blaming the killer's family for this?

A family friend did try to help him

A judge is expected to rule Tuesday on the Crown's request to order him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
A family friend said this weekend that she felt Li was troubled, but had refused repeated offers to seek help.

www.canada.com...
The qoute I took is on the second page.

So, let's say you have a brother. One night your brother decided to rape someone. After he rapes her he decides to murder her to lessen his chances of getting caught. To punish the killer, the cops arrest you and your family for not getting your brother help and therefore not stopping the rape.

Sounds pretty freakin' stupid, doesn't it.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by ben420]

Originally posted by ben420

So, let's say you have a brother. One night your brother decided to rape someone. After he rapes her he decides to murder her to lessen his chances of getting caught. To punish the killer, the cops arrest you and your family for not getting your brother help and therefore not stopping the rape.

Sounds pretty freakin' stupid, doesn't it.

Nope. Sounds premeditated to me. If I knew he was this way I would of gotten him help long before he did the crime. Li's family knew about his illness. If I didn't know then no problem, but if I did then my problem too.

He refused help. You CANNOT help someone if they don't want to help themselves. They can't force him to take meds, they can't force him to go to a mental asylum, and they can't force him to not have psychotic thoughts.

Originally posted by Sonya610
The best comments were along the lines of "he had a knife and knew how to use it so that shows he can't be crazy, he knew what he was doing".

Sigh.

if you only knew how many times, upon admission and the inventory we did, i found very large knives on some of our craziest. One lady who was hispanic told me she kept a straight razor to cut out the "tripas" of "la migra".

he didn't know how to use the knife insomuch as he was fighting for his life against unseen stimuli.

To the previous poster: not every bad act can allow for the placement of blame. There is no reason to believe that the family knew he was physically dangerous. What you refer to is something along the lines of "Deranged Indifference". That does not appear to be the case.

The world is cold and cruel. Justice is not to be served in every case. It was unfortunate for the young man who died, but there is no one to blame in cases like this. The man who did the killing will be locked away for good, getting 3 hots and a cot in a mental hospital.

Originally posted by Solarskye


Nope. Sounds premeditated to me. If I knew he was this way I would of gotten him help long before he did the crime. Li's family knew about his illness. If I didn't know then no problem, but if I did then my problem too.

you would likely end up either being put in prison for false imprisonment or you would get the crap beat out of you by a crazy family member.

What you propose is illogical if you analyze more than the surface. In our country, as well as Canada, people have rights. You can't just throw someone in a mental hospital without a court order. period.

do that to one of your family, and that will be the last time they let you help them. they will never speak to you again. I have seen that happen countless times, too.

There is no one to blame in this case. No matter how hard you try. if you believe there is, please point me to the law that supports your claim.

It amazes me that some here are so offended by this mans horrible actions they want to seek revenge by perpetuating horrible actions against him. More than slightly hypocritical IMHO.

If you are so offended by what this man did why is it you would promote any such action yourself?

The thing I'm worried about, is not this man and his fate, but the future for others: copy-cats, people who get the wrong idea from this, possible outlet for deperession/rage. There are alot of sick minded people out there... "normal" everyday folk who go home and plan out weird stuff, or even conjure in the mind some strange strange stuff.

For myself, it comes down to the notion that no one is soley a "good person" or a "bad person". Anyone of us could be swayed this way or that. For most, chaos is kept under control by either fear or laziness.

Off topic?

The concern, for me, is that this is just another major blow to the trust we have for one another. We all know now that politicians are untrustworthy as soon as they put on their suit in the morning. No surprise when the president or prime minister pulls another over our eyes. But now, it is another issue of not being able to trust the guy sitting next to you on the bus. Or wondering if the person behind you at the cross walk has had a bad day and whether they are guided by fear or laziness, or if they have the will power and the lack of common concern for fellow man, and might just find some kind of pleasure in slitting the nearest persons throat.

I am not here to propose any solution or even give suggestions. I feel that a deeper question needs to be asked, and therefor, a deeper answer sought. What is this doing to us? What are we doing to ourselves? What are we doing/thinking/saying to/about our neighbors? Does this kind of news make us shutter, yet do we somehow find it strangely entertaining?

Do we all need to look beyond this and examine our own damn lives? Do we as human beings, not feel that perhaps it's time for an effort on our part to advance beyond this kind of thing, and grow mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually?

Maybe I'm wrong. Who knows?

It's murder, MURDER plain and simple. Maybe blaming his family was over kill but he is a murderer. The deed is done and a man is dead. There's no treatment that can help him or bring back Tim McLean.

Someone rapes and murders a girl and go to prison or gets the death penalty. " Oh nothing wrong with him he's not Schizophrenic or anything like that" so justice is served. The problem with this is there is something wrong with anyone who kills innocent people. The only label I have for a killer is " Murder " and justice should prevail. How can anyone say because he's schizophrenic and kills he should be helped, but anyone who isn't schizophrenic and kills should be punished? Murder was committed either way and I'm tired of people forcing treatment on someone who doesn't want it. He wants to die so he should.