'Please kill me,' pleads man accused in beheading murder

reply to post by whiteraven


I believe you have misquoted the scripture. 1 Timothy 6:10

"For the LOVE of money is a root of all kinds of evil". When you omit the word love you change the meaning of the verse. It means when we put money before
our faith we can easily fall into sin that leads to destruction. In other words,
I'll do anything to have more money. I'll put my love for money before my love for Christ. So having money, or saving money is not evil, It becomes evil
when you make it your idol.

As far as the death penalty, I am not for it in this case. I do believe and pray that he get on the right medication and get back into a normal state of mind, so he can live with and process what he has done. To kill him is the easy way out. Christ said this:

Probverbs 28:17 " A man tormented by the guilt of murder is a fugative till
death; let no one support him." This may seem harsh coming from a loving
Father, but think of this: " A sinners conscience will drive him either into
guilt resulting in repentance or to death itself because of a refusal to repent. It is no act of kindness to try and make him feel better; the more guilt he feels the more likely he is to turn to God and ask forgiveness. If we interfere with the natural consequences of his act. we may make it easier
for him to continue in sin."

Source: NIV Life Application Bible

Originally posted by sir_chancealot

Originally posted by Sonya610
...I am sure you are right. Oh and the ones that claim to have encountered lots of demons in various capacities...I wonder about those folks too.

Maybe "those folks" are talking about and describing things that they are ACTUALLY SEEING. My vote on this one goes to demonic possession.

In the Book of Enoch, it talks about how the children of fallen angels (who had mated with humans) were cursed to roam the earth, until judgment, as spirits. It also talks about how these creatures were cannabilistic, and truly and utterly evil. Sounds suspiciously close to what we are dealing with here.

Unfortunately, our medical sciences have not researched enough to determine the difference between a mental problem, a physical problem, and a spiritual problem.

ugh, don't give me this "spiritual" crap, please. Give me one shred of proof of a spirit in any way at all, and you can. As there as been absolutely no evidence of the soul or "life force" or anything other fruity notion, don't start claiming demonic possession.

Honestly, it's just insulting to my intelligence to think you are that stupid.

reply to post by runetang


You should go back and re-read your post and then ponder it for a few minutes.
"stored body parts in his pocket etc." If you can draw any conclusion other than complete insanity, maybe you should go and study psychology 101.

Either you are kidding, or you have no basic understanding of how the human
mind works. I'll apologize ahead time for offending you. That is not my intent.
My intent is to get you to think before you write.

Originally posted by Chiiru
I'd rather see him in a mental hospital. There's something really... off... about this, I think. Maybe once he's medicated proper, we can figure out what the hell really happened and what was going through his head.

What really happened is he hacked, sliced, and ate some kid who was on the brink of beginning his adulthood. He robbed him of the chance to experience all the things that you and these other fools are getting to experience. He took away this kid's opportunity to have a family and future of his own and he did it in the most disgusting and gruesome way.........

All you sickos who want to get in his head and "see" what is up there scare the *snip* out of me as much as the animal who stole the precious life of this kid.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

Originally posted by sir_chancealot

Originally posted by Sonya610
...I am sure you are right. Oh and the ones that claim to have encountered lots of demons in various capacities...I wonder about those folks too.

Maybe "those folks" are talking about and describing things that they are ACTUALLY SEEING. My vote on this one goes to demonic possession.

In the Book of Enoch, it talks about how the children of fallen angels (who had mated with humans) were cursed to roam the earth, until judgment, as spirits. It also talks about how these creatures were cannabilistic, and truly and utterly evil. Sounds suspiciously close to what we are dealing with here.

Unfortunately, our medical sciences have not researched enough to determine the difference between a mental problem, a physical problem, and a spiritual problem.

ugh, don't give me this "spiritual" crap, please. Give me one shred of proof of a spirit in any way at all, and you can. As there as been absolutely no evidence of the soul or "life force" or anything other fruity notion, don't start claiming demonic possession.

Honestly, it's just insulting to my intelligence to think you are that stupid.

This type of post is a PRIME EXAMPLE of how I have been saying in various threads about how disinfo agents, paid shills, and PR guys will go immediately to name calling, etc., to derail and side-track a post.

I left in the entire post, so that you could ask yourself this question: Is the person responding to my post reacting in a "normal" way, or is he seeking to distract me, and other readers, from points that I have made?

In my original post, I made 3 claims: 1) my opinion is that the guy is demon possessed. 2) A very short synopsis of the Book of Enoch, and how the actions of certain beings in that book seem to correlate with the actions of this guy, and 3) That science has not made a real effort at differentiating what is mental (i.e., psychological) problem, what is a physical (i.e., brain tumor, disease, injury), and what is a spiritual problem.

Which one of these 3 do you think the responder wants you to ignore? Are there OTHER points right before my post that the responder wants you to ignore, and not think about?

Notice the signs. You may have to look up where I posted them. If I can find it again, I will post them again.

Watch for repeated attempts to draw this thread off-topic.

reply to post by Sonya610


I completely agree with this post and this is exactly what I was thinking. There are true physical/mental illnesses that cause people to lose their ability to think and act rationally. I have seen this myself.

I'm torn of whether Vince Li should live or die, be punished like a criminal or an insane person, that is for the doctors and courts who are close to the details of this case to decide. But I strongly believe that there is a reason he didn't kill himself on the bus that morning, whether that be for the general public to learn from this or some other act of God. His brain and behavior should be studied so we can further learn about what causes human beings to act like this whether premidated or random.

This just keeps getting better.
Fringe US church justifies Canadian’s beheading as ‘God’s gift’

Now Li had the backing of a church as having done the work of God.

Calling the killing and later beheading of a young Canadian by a fellow bus passenger last week as ‘god’s gift’, an American church group says it will protest at the victim’s funeral to highlight his ‘filthy way of life’.

Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of the founder of the church, told a Canadian TV network that the Canadian deserved death by beheading as his life was ‘emblematic of Canada’s moral decay’.

‘I haven’t met him personally, but he has nothing going on. (His life) was all about him. Blah, blah, blah. He was a rebel. I don’t need to know anything else. I don’t need to know the minutae. Everything you need to know is right there.’

reply to post by paxnatus
I was quoting King James..based on Textus Receptus...Latin Vulgate

Read it

10 For the loue of money is the root of all euill, which while some coueted after

1611....King James OH you want to argue translations...I have read most of them......the Bible is NOT the book that most think it is

And to get back on topic Sonya had this figured so far as the info we have so far.

LOL

The guy is simply crazy.

This thread is good...imo...it allows persons to exchange and vent.

thx viking G.

Check this out !.

www.thesun.co.uk...

The sad thing is, here in Canada, this sick little fella might walk free in just a few years.

reply to post by Monger

That is why it is important to keep this in the public eye.

Whoever is in control of Canada at the time of his release to a half way house is going to get a # storm if he allows Li any sort of freedom.

That Church that attempts to justify this man is utterly sick. A horrible exploitation of the First Amendmant.

May both these Poor Souls RIP.

reply to post by mastermind77


Were you a creative director for A Clockwork Orange? If that happened, everyone that suggests torture should be condemned to watching him suffer until he has paid his due, which hopefully will be never.

reply to post by DYepes


Shoot him because you don't want to pay tax dollars to keep him in prison?

Well, OK. But then, let's get rid of all those old and sick folks who also take up tax dollars. Just put a bullet through their heads and put them out of our misery.

The cost of doing the right thing should not justify doing the wrong thing.

reply to post by VIKINGANT

The docs need to scan Li for a bio-chip. The NSA/CIA could be playing with Li, broadcasting horrific thoughts into Li's mind. This kind of 24-7 torture, that is being done to Americans, could drive any unsuspecting victim to committing horrific acts. After the murders in the Olympics I am suspecting a possible pattern of random acts of violence to foment hatred of the Chinese by the NSA/CIA.

reply to post by Monger


If they've managed to tighten whichever screw was loose in this guy's head, why keep him locked up longer? It's not going to bring the deceased guy back from the grave, is it? Or are prisons revenge instead of rehabilitation?

reply to post by dave420


The problem is though. If they manage to rectify the initial illness, he will then think clearly about what he did which in reflection would turn any sane person nuts. This is a situation that will be almost impossible to fix even with countless shrinks on staff and who is going to pay for that?

I am not going down the 'cost effective' track again, but realisticly, who will pay the kind of money needed for that degree of treatment?

Originally posted by Sonya610
This whole thing is just so sad. The guy was sick, he was suffering, paranoid and he lost it. Now he can't live with what he has done.

I can't help but feel sorry for him. He is crazy he is not sadistic. People like to say "yeah just shoot him" or "get rid of the monster" and that really shows a lack of empathy. In a kinder society he would be offered a discreet suicide option. He doesn't want to live, he shoudn't have to live, but people should not be so vicious as to revel in his suffering.

It was a tragedy for everyone concerned.

I find it hard to feel sorry for him. Crazy people can be labeled crazy because they ARE sadistic. Which came first? In all likelihood this individual did the same thing to animals growing up or tortured them at least. This is usually the case with people like this actually. Perhaps it is a genetic abnormality, perhaps a learned behavior but either way he is completely responsible for his actions. If let loose on the streets he would probably do it again. For this reason, he, regardless of how he got to that point, needs to be removed from society. For such a gruesome act, he is easily viewable as too dangerous to live. I believe there is not empathy due him. If you watched him commit the gruesome crime you would have killed him yourself if you had a gun, no doubt. Peace loving people aside, when witnessing acts of barbarism, it is instinctive to react on behalf of the victim. Especially a random victim whose voice is now forever silenced, and a family destroyed, because of one person that you wish to show empathy for.
So... I say he need be destroyed as he destroyed an entire family... Sorry for that harsh opinion...

reply to post by whiteraven


Yes, it is ironic that those who are "pro-life" are almost invariably in favor of the death penalty.

And I think that perhaps one of the greatest offenses against God is to judge others.

A minor point, the scripture says that it is the "love of money" that is the root of all evil.

reply to post by jargon337


I am a targeted individual and within our community of targets are those that are MKULTRA experiments. I know personally a couple of MKULTRA survivors. It is our belief that this man Li showed the classic signs of mind control and he probably experienced voice to skull. MKULTRA victims show all the classic signs of paranoid schizophrenia. MKULTRA victims do NOT respond to the normal medications that are prescribed to stop the voices and treat the symptoms because it is not a chemical imbalance but is induced from outside sources.

We have also examined this horrendous murder and we can see where this man Li was the very least under surveillance before he murdered this man. We came to this conclusion when it was reported that Li had sold his lap top computer only hours before he committed the murder. The police immediately went to the young mans house who bought the computer and seized it. How did the police know that Li sold his computer? we surmise that Li was under surveillance prior to the murder and thus anyone who comes into contact with the target is also under surveillance. The young man who bought the computer was obviously followed to his home. Otherwise how in the world did the police know that Li's computer was bought by this young man and how did the police know where the young man lived who bought the computer.
When the computer was seized by the police there was no media coverage that stated that the man Li had a computer in his possession and now it was missing and could anyone come forward that knows where this computer is? Again I ask, how did the police know that Li had a computer?
It was also reported by the young man who bought the computer that he saw random pics of this and that, but also saw on the computer that belonged to Li pictures of black helicopters. Many targets of this covert crime report helicopters of all colours that appear to hover over them or their homes.

This man Li probably did want the police to kill him but they did not. Most MKULTRA victims are programmed to kill themselves, but for some reason he could not kill himself and I am sure that he thought the police would do that for him.

If you think that this kind of # does not exist in Canada then you just need to go back in history and see what has happened to the Duplessis Orphans in Canada. I know one of the Duplessis Orphans and he has horror stories of what they did to him and other children.

Today the torture exists but not in the control of labs and institutions, but is now performed in the 'privacy' of the targets home or anywhere in the community.