The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by tide88
Iq test, or are you just going to ignore me.

Gee that such an immature post for someone who was supposed to do ok on a IQ test.

I have proven to several people on here that my docuemnts are the real thing. If you were intelligent you should be able to figure that out too.



[edit on 26-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Lol, another one of your famous words, immature. The reason I am bringing it up is because you said you would take it. I guess you lied or took it and and did terrible. My guess is you didnt do so well. The reason I wanted you to take it is because an IQ test can determine ones ability to comprehend and reason. If you scored low, it would show why your arguments are so rediculous and why you have such difficulty understanding why CIT theory doesnt add up.

He isn't failing to comprehend because he is dense, he is doing so because he has no argument or counterpoint. He can't admit to any truth out there, because it would descredit what he has already clung to with a death-grip. He is dedicated to his belief, and no matter what you put in front of his eyes, he will utterly ignore it if it does not help prove his point.

People usually don't want to be wrong. They usually will argue their side, even if it is lacking substance. Then you have another tier of folk, who desperately believe (or want to believe) something, and they will do or say anything to preserve their belief. You can say "the sky is blue," and they will either call you a liar, or ignore it, if it does not fit their preconceived notion of what actually occurred.

I'd not worry about getting in tussles with Ultima. He has made his mind up. He is in a word, fanatical, about this belief that a 757 did not crash into the Pentagon. You can provide 100 witnesses standing at 100 feet watching it clear as day, and he will ignore or dismiss it out of hand.

I don't think everyone who believes this is quite as blind, but I am starting to wonder. I've asked if indeed, people didn't see what they thought they saw, when they said they saw a 757 crashing into the Pentagon, then what DID they think they saw? And why? No response. i.e. crickets

Originally posted by tide88
The reason I am bringing it up is because you said you would take it. I guess you lied or took it and and did terrible.

Why shoud i bother to take it if by your previous posts you will just ignore it like you ignore the facts and evidence i post.

Also if you are not intelligent enough to figure out the documents i posted are real then you are not as intelligent as you think you are.



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I don't think that test is very accurate anyway. I blew through it in a minute and scored 122. I don't consider myself very smart, I am just a mechanic after all.

Originally posted by PplVSNWO
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I don't think that test is very accurate anyway. I blew through it in a minute and scored 122. I don't consider myself very smart, I am just a mechanic after all.

Well I took this one and scored 136 iq test. BTW I know a lot of mechanics that are intelligent. You would have to be smart with all the diagnostics and repair involved in being a mechanic. Of course I took this one with no distractions, unlike the last one I took.

I got 133 on the second one. That is a difference of over 10 points. So what does that say for the accuracy of either test?

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It says that you are intelligent. You are not scoring 100 or in the 80's or 90's. Also the second one you took, you should score higher. The questions are similar. I didnt know what kind of questions an IQ test was going to ask the first time. I knew what to expect on the second test.
That is why 120-140 is considered very superior intelligence.

120 - 140 - Very superior intelligence

[edit on 27-8-2008 by tide88]

Hey everyone....don't forget about these guys!



That's what this thread is about.

The witnesses.

I find it real telling how our "detractors" have avoided talking about the witnesses like the plague in the past 69 pages & 1366 replies of this thread.

I also find it telling how our most fervent detractor, Caustic Logic, who publicly "quit" ATS out of disgust, yet continued to obsessively blog and post about us, admitted yesterday that he hasn't even viewed this new evidence!

"I haven't watched that video still"
source

Think about that.

This guy has been stalking our every move, parsing our every word, and splitting our every hair for well over a year yet while he continues to obsessively post about our research (still trying to make the point that that north side witnesses are deep-cover disinfo operatives) he somehow hasn't been able to find the time to bother viewing all of this new evidence that more than doubles the corroboration we previously had.

There is a reason these guys (and sham journalist Nick Schou) are avoiding this evidence and refusing to utter the names of these critical new working class Arlington Cemetery witnesses.

Darrell Stafford, Darius Prather, Donald Carter, William Middleton, & George Aman don't fit into CL's disinfo conspiracy theory very well and make arguing against he north side approach verrry difficult for the pseudoskeptics.


Pay close attention to what they avoid talking about.

Originally posted by PplVSNWOI am just a mechanic after all.

Hey i was a crew chief in the Air Force, it takes above average intelligence to be a good mechanic.




[edit on 27-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


How about what you avoid talking about. Like the other witnesses you interviewed but left out of the video. Those witnesses that claim to have seen the plane hit the pentagon. The ones that you have the words contacted/confirmed written by their names, yet exclude them from your NoC theory. ALso how about your refusal to show us the flight path beyond the pentagon, or lack of ability to find any other witnesses that agree the plane flew over the pentagon. How about the fact that your same witnesses claim to see the plane hit the pentagon, yet you disregard those statements, but claim their statements about the NOC as fact. Also I was watching a video posted by LEO STRAUSS on another thread on this board. It was this thread Weird occurrence(s) in 9/11 video Here is the video. Amature close up video of Twin Towers The thing about this video that is very interesting is the what the individual does when the second plane hits the second tower. It happens around 6:35 min mark. In your theory you claim that people were distracted when the plane hit the pentagon, that is why they would not see the plane fly over the pentagon. They would be looking at the explosion. Well on this video, guess what happens when the plane hit the towers. He looks up in the air in all directions to see if there is another plane that may be in the area. I find it comical that you believe that everyone around the pentagon would be so in enthralled in the impact that they would not scan the skies to see if any other planes may be crashing down near them. After all, it was already know we were under attack and the weapons being used were airliners. The first thing I would have done if I was near the pentagon would be to scan the skies to make sure another planes wasn't about to come crashing down near me. After all, two planes crashed at near identical places just about an hour before. Or how about Eric Barts investigation(Although he believes a plane bomb theory, in which he uses a lot of speculation) However, he does do quite of bit of research and interviews and the flight path he draws is very close to the official flight path.

"I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us
andI just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief
Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could
actually hear the metal going through the building."

How about all these witnesses witnesses
You story has more holes than swiss chesse. And in my opinion is complete BS and proves absolutly nothing.


[edit on 27-8-2008 by tide88]

[edit on 27-8-2008 by tide88]

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Good then take the test and show me your score.

Originally posted by tide88
Good then take the test and show me your score.

Maybe after i get the documents posted to debunk the official story.

Double Post

[edit on 27-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by tide88


How about what you avoid talking about. Like the other witnesses you interviewed but left out of the video. Those witnesses that claim to have seen the plane hit the pentagon. The ones that you have the words contacted/confirmed written by their names, yet exclude them from your NoC theory.

Not sure who you could possibly be talking about here.

Nobody is excluded.

If we had an interview to publish we would publish it.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

Originally posted by tide88


How about what you avoid talking about. Like the other witnesses you interviewed but left out of the video. Those witnesses that claim to have seen the plane hit the pentagon. The ones that you have the words contacted/confirmed written by their names, yet exclude them from your NoC theory.

Not sure who you could possibly be talking about here.

Nobody is excluded.

If we had an interview to publish we would publish it.

I am talking about THESE WITNESSES You know the ones you call liars, or their account are very dubious.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by tide88
Good then take the test and show me your score.

Maybe after i get the documents posted to debunk the official story.

Thats what I figured. Guessing you already took the test and scored between a 70-80. Guess you lied when you said you would take it after I took it. Then said it again after I posted my certification. Air Force crew chief. I doubt it. After all, you lied once, and a liar has zero crediablilty.

Originally posted by tide88
You know the ones you call liars, or their account are very dubious.

Well how about this one that his admission questions witness accounts.

www.geocities.com...

Scott P. Cook
"We didn’t know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon. I cannot fathom why neither myself nor Ray, a former Air Force officer, missed a big 757, going 400 miles an hour, as it crossed in front of our window in its last 10 seconds of flight.

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Hey craig. BTW, although I dont buy your story, I do commend you on doing the work you have done. At least you are actually doing something about it. Which is more than I can say for 95% on either side. Also you might want to get that Ultima guy to stop posting in your favor. Getting slow adults to believe in your theory just cheapens the work you have actually done. Again, I commened you for the work you have done, although I dont believe it really proves a North Side Flyover. Maybe you can do another one and put everyone on film and let the people decide who is right and who is wrong.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by tide88
You know the ones you call liars, or their account are very dubious.

Well how about this one that his admission questions witness accounts.

www.geocities.com...

Scott P. Cook
"We didn’t know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon. I cannot fathom why neither myself nor Ray, a former Air Force officer, missed a big 757, going 400 miles an hour, as it crossed in front of our window in its last 10 seconds of flight.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

UH, yea so. They didnt see it. What is your point. Doubt they were staring out their windows waiting for something to happen. Who knows what they were doing.

Originally posted by tide88 Also you might want to get that Ultima guy to stop posting in your favor. Getting slow adults to believe in your theory just cheapens the work you have actually done.

By the way, i am not posting on anyones side. I am doing my own research and investigating thank you.

Please be adult enough to answer the following question,

How many FOIA request and e-mails have you sent to find the truth?