The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by beachnut
Most! Prove it!

I will prove my post right after you show any real evidnece that supports the official story. Oh thats right you cannot since most of the information has not been released.

I have posted tons of information that questions the official story. You should go back and read some instead of ignoring it.

Sorry NSA guy, you must provide evidence to refute the aircraft parts were not 77.

You must provide evidence to refute the DNA evidence.

You must provide evidence to prove the FDR is not correct and the data is wrong.

You must provide evidence to refute each witness who saw 77 hit the Pentagon.

You must provide evidence to refute each witness who saw 77 hit the lampposts.

You must provide evidence to refute or show the RADES data is false or made up.

You must also provide real evidence not talk to prove your implications. You have not, you say you have but the most you have presented is talk and hearsay.

You can talk and make all the other conspiracy minded folk happy with your fantasy, but you have not provide a stitch of evidence to support your ideas or refute the official story.

You will not post proof that most the NSA believe 9/11 truth. You can't do it.
Please post it, no one wants you lame excuses, just post all the NSA guys who agree with 9/11 truth. YOU CAN'T!

You will find some excuse.

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Next ultima1 will call you immature, tell you to act like an adult, or will tell you to grow up. He must have an IQ of 70 if he thinks anything he has posted has any merit, or if he thinks anyone on this board or the hundreds of other forums take him seriously. Don't forget who you guys are debating. Ultima1 is the ultimate x-files fans (I am not kidding) who believes in every UFO, Ghost, Goblins, and Ghoul story out there. I cant find one post where here actually questions anything. It is automatically a conspiracy or the video of a ghost or ufo is authentic. And every conspiracy is true, unless you can prove it isnt. Take UFO's for example (which btw I believe in, to some extent). His argument is you cannot prove they dont exist, so they do. That is his argument for everything. Prove AA77 didnt fly north of citgo. Prove flight 93 wasnt shot down. Prove building 7 wasnt demoed. Who thinks that way. It is completely illogical, and so are his arguments. It is almost like dealing with a 5 year old.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by fleabit
I'll ask once again, I have no idea why you are ignoring this question.
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I have answered the question many times you are either too immature to understand it or accept it.

Funny how you keep forgetting that the FDR supposidly from AA77 questions the media's officail flight path.



[edit on 22-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

What are you talking about? The link to a list of questioned witnesses? The list was incomplete, and of that list, not even HALF of those listed were even talked to! That isn't proof of any kind. Try again.

Originally posted by beachnut
You must provide evidence to refute the DNA evidence.

You do know there is no DNA evidence to show the passengers were in the building?

You do know there is no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead?

You must provide evidence to prove the FDR is not correct and the data is wrong.

Why would i provide evidence to prove it wrong when it questions the official story?

You must provide evidence to refute each witness who saw 77 hit the Pentagon.

There is no eyewitness reports of anyone seeing AA77 hit the Pentagon, they could not agree on what type of plane it was let alone if it was AA77.

You must provide evidence to refute each witness who saw 77 hit the lampposts.

The FDR from the plane refutes the eyewitnesses as far as the plane hitting the light poles.

Please post it, no one wants you lame excuses.

Please post an official report or physical evidnce that supports the official story. We are all tired of the way you beleivers keep demanding evidence but can never psot any when asked.

NO MORE EXCUSES WILL BE ACCEPTED.

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Beachnut just explained the FDR data you keep on using as your so called evidence. You just completely ignored what he said, which doesnt suprise me in the least bit. Talk about someone living in a fantasy world

Originally posted by tide88
You just completely ignored what he said, which doesnt suprise me in the least bit.

Well maybe i ignored his statment becasue i had heard from a several other pilots who do agree with what i have stated. Sorry but i have to go with the number and more experiencded pilots.

Doesn't surprise me that you do not know much about anything since you live in a fantasy world and are afraid of the truth.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
You do know there is no DNA evidence to show the passengers were in the building?

No, the passengers were on the plane. The employees were in the building.

You do know there is no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead?

There is no DNA evidence (or photos, interviews, bank transactions, etc) that any hijackers are live.

There is no eyewitness reports of anyone seeing AA77 hit the Pentagon....

Nah, the whole freeway of witnesses just ignored that plane hitting the building. It happens so frequently in that area, you know.

Please post an official report or physical evidnce that supports the official story.

You mean the official reports that have not been released yet? How many times you going to go down that road, ULTIMA1?


[edit on 23-8-2008 by gavron]

Ultima, conveniently trying to ignore the facts won't make your case stronger mate, sorry. Saying that not everyone who saw the plane hit can even agree what they saw, while accurate, means nothing. There were some that saw it out of the corner of their eye, or at the last second. BUT.. there were quite a few who saw a silver 757 hit the Pentagon. Your logic is baffling. You seem to assume if several witnesses are not sure what they saw, that automatically means that NO ONE is sure of what they saw.

If you have a group of witnesses that are sure, and a second group that is kind of sure, and a third that is really unsure, groups B and C do not automatically negate group A.

Example: My wife and I were coming out of a store one day, and she was looking to the right, me, to the left. A guy had just opened his truck door, and a passing car hit it, blowing it off and it raced away. My wife just caught this out of the corner of her eye. I was directly watching it as it happened however. She was unsure what sort of car it was, I knew exactly what it was. Does her testimony make the incident moot? No, of course not. But that is what you act like with the plane hitting the Pentagon. As if everyone must have the exact same, agreed upon story, for it to be true. It doesn't work like that.

There are quite a few witnesses (and I won't link all the sites, just google it, you'll find many references), that saw a 757, and some said an AA passenger jet, actually HIT the side of the Pentagon. Which makes sense to me. If a 757 is flying as low as it was, people ARE going to see it, and no, they are NOT going to magically lose sight of it, as you suggest in your theory. It's a large jet plane for crying out loud. It's big, it's silver, it's loud. I would be very surprised indeed if no one at all saw where it ended up, that makes NO sense, whatsoever.

You can't even explain away a SINGLE facet of this story with any semblence of logic. And you think you are on to something? I'm not trying to be a jerk (and I won't stoop to your level and start the name-calling), but you are not a very good investigator. You are in fact, the worst kind. You have a bias, and because of that bias, you are willing to twist, stretch, or ignore the truth as needed, so that the event matches your perception of what happened.

Originally posted by gavron
No, the passengers were on the plane. The employees were in the building.

So you agree that their is no evidence of the bodies from the plane being found in the building?

There is no DNA evidence (or photos, interviews, bank transactions, etc) that any hijackers are live.

So you agree that their is no evidence of all the hijackers being dead?

Nah, the whole freeway of witnesses just ignored that plane hitting the building.

Please show me 1 witness that stated it was AA77 that hit the Pentagon or it will show you are wrong.

You mean the official reports that have not been released yet?

So you agree that the officil reports have not been released, so you and the other believers have no reports to support the official story?

Thanks for admitting you guys have no evidence to support the story.




[edit on 23-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Ultima, what are you suggesting? That the story isn't true unless, as the plane was flying by, someone looked for and saw the flight # on the plane? Could you possibly grasp any further at straws? People saw a silver AA flight. Some saw the AA. Some said it was a 757. And several said they saw it hit the Pentagon. Read my previous post, if you'd like to know how ludicrous your idea is. The one that goes "if everyone didn't see the same thing, it didn't happen."

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Some people just cant put two and two together, no matter how obvious it is. It is really quite sad. Ultima please take an online IQ test. I am dying to know what your IQ is. Your sense of reasoning baffles me. I am guess you are around 70-80.

Originally posted by fleabit
Ultima, what are you suggesting? That the story isn't true unless, as the plane was flying by, someone looked for and saw the flight # on the plane?

If beleivers are going to post statements that witnesses saw AA77 they better post the witness statements that verify this claim. I mean they keep asking for evidnece so they better be prepared to post evidence also.

Just shows how little beleivers really know and that they do live in a fantasy world.

I will state this 1 more time only.

THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN RELEASED THE AA77 HIT THE PENTAGON.

Originally posted by tide88
Some people just cant put two and two together, no matter how obvious it is.

If your next post does not contain any official reports or physical evidence with infomration to verify it then it will show everyone on here how has the low IQ.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN RELEASED THE AA77 HIT THE PENTAGON.

Ignoring the facts, so you can feel safe in your fantasy world?

It only takes like 30 seconds on Google to find your quotes from witnesses. Try it.

Or is the Internet one of the media sources that is lying to the public?

Originally posted by gavron? It only takes like 30 seconds on Google to find your quotes from witnesses. Try it.

Please show me 1 witness statement that states they saw AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

If you cannot show any of these it will show everyone on here how immature you really are, and that you cannot post and will not post facts because you are in a fantasy world.


[edit on 23-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Please show me 1 witness statement that states they saw AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

Oh brother.

How can a witness on the ground know the flight number of a plane that they just witnessed crash into the Pentagon, ULTIMA1? Can you go outside, look at a plane flying overhead, and say "Look, there is Delta flight 1402". Of course not. Your question is childish and immature.

If you believing missiles hit the pentagon makes you sleep better at night, good for you. The rest of the world knows what happened. The witnesses know what happened, and saw it happen.

Originally posted by gavron How can a witness on the ground know the flight number of a plane that they just witnessed crash into the Pentagon,

BINGO, now you got it. So thanks for agreeing with me again that no one cold have seen it was AA77.

So next time someone post witnesses saw AA77 hit the Pentagon we know they are wrong.

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Hahahaha! Oh man! Are you serious???

You honestly will dismiss the fact that all those people witnessed the plane hitting the Pentagon, but because they didnt know what flight number it was, their testimony is thrown out?

Haha!! That is pure internet gold right there. Thank you! I may have to add that to my sig.

Originally posted by gavron
You honestly will dismiss the fact that all those people witnessed the plane hitting the Pentagon,

Well you state the witnesses saw a plane hit the Pentagon. So what plane was it?

Where is the evidnece that it was AA77, Oh thats right it has not been released.

C-130 RADES Data flight path 15 miles to the southwest apparently headed for Arkansas
instead of Minnesota (shown with blue stick pins)


Another huge discrepancy in the faked 84th RADES data, which I have just noticed. I want you Reheat and beachnut to have the pleasure to see it first, so you can get your denial act fully in gear. Go for the gold guys.

At the 9:38 blue stickpin (C-130) which is next to the 9:36:48 red stickpin, (Flt 77) the alleged 757 has 12 seconds to reach the Pentagon wall at the official 9:37 time. By measuring, I have determined the distance from that position to the Pentagon to be 5+ miles. Dividing 5 miles by 12 seconds gives a result of .417 miles per second. Multiplying .417 by 60 gives a result of 25.02 miles per minute. Multiplying 25.02 by 60 gives a result of 1501.2 mph. That is one fast little 757.

Did you do that Reheat?

1501.2 mph for an ordinary 757 without rocket assists?

Is that your Amazing Randi Forum Of Illusionists mathematics in action?

Do you guys need more proof that the RADES was faked?

On another note, checking the C-130 speed from the same spot at 9:38, the C-130 arrives next to the Pentagon at 9:39:35. Dividing 5 miles by 95 seconds gives a result of .05 mps. Multiplying .05 by 60 gives a result of 3 mpm. Multiplying by 60 gives a result of 180 mph for the C-130. Hmmmm. Seems kinda slow. But I guess it can fly that slow.