Martian soil may contain detrimental substance

reply to post by zorgon


LOL... but I wanna Go!



You know...back in the day when they built the Brookly Bridge and poured the concrete... a few guys fell in lol, and I'm sorry to be un pc, but they didn't stop pouring the concrete there was a bridge to be built...

and

Come on the only answers we will get will be via Human, it's a risky assignment...

and it's a long trip... and if they spend the money to take something to mars that's 99.7% human and don't go all the dang way...

I'll be pretty steemed and I seriously hope those chimps get stir crazy and tear the ship apart

or

lol even better would be if they reproduce and bust out of the ship and find a way to colonize Mars... they would be pretty smart monkies, probably know sign language...

I'd laugh hard as hell if Chimps settle into the caves of Mars prior to us blowing ourselves to bits... start drawing on walls and waiting for the ice age to end

and I could die knowing my theory of backwards evolution had been proven valid before the world ends...

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Do I win a Cupie doll or what?

I was going to give you one but those things are NAKED

I just wish they would send one craft to a more interesting area of Mars... I see enough desert and rocks looking out my window ...

This is the salt that Spirit stirred up... just like the dry lake beds out here..



Spirit is a micro mining machine...

What I want is a list of the minerals they found in that pile

The yellowish tint is sulphur.... It LOOKS like sulphur to me... [the only yellow powdered mineral I know on Earth

So I looked for Sulphur on Mars... and because sulphur is the Canadian spelling I hit 'pay dirt' right out the gate..

Sulphur-rich soil on Mars puzzles scientists

[seems these NASA 'scientists' are puzzled a lot... maybe I should take them on a rock field trip out here ]

The discovery of Martian soil containing high quantities of sulphur and traces of water has sparked new questions about activity beneath the planet's surface.

Scientists are puzzling over the contents of the bright white and yellow soil, first discovered after Mars rover Spirit churned it up while struggling to cross a soft patch of soil in the Columbia Hills region nearly a year ago. The material consists of sulphate salts associated with iron and likely calcium, substances not expected to be found on the planet's surface.

Some scientists have speculated the materials might have been deposited in ancient times by liquid water on what is now thought to be a dry planet. However, Ray Arvidson, the deputy principal investigator for NASA's twin Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, said that is only one possible explanation.

"This material could have been left behind by water that dissolved these minerals underground, then came to the surface and evaporated, or it could be a volcanic deposit formed around ancient gas vents," Arvidson said in a statement.

www.cbc.ca...

Okay so there you have it

"high quantities of sulphur and traces of water" already documented by Spirit posted by the CBC News March 15, 2007

Now the guy who says "could have been a volcanic vent" when it is clearly a flat 'lake bed' with NO signs of volcanoes or vents needs to get a new job

I can show him what gas vents look like they are all over northern Nevada

AH!! Okay I get it now... I just saw the NASA scientists...



Caption: " The photo below is a group of NASA scientists wondering why the
Mars Rover failed to operate properly. The problem is obvious to me: "







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LOL ty, Perchlorates are not bad news here... a myriad of ways and very likely it seems to me imho at the moment this is actually a sign of life...

and...

In my research I also found out the Perchlorates are in my Milk and drinking water in small amounts... so they aren't that deadly to life



But yeah:

So many places to land, the site at the south pole where the trees were noticed, the ice tubes/worms whatever they are, Olympus Mons, Valles Marinis...

Why not get a shot of the Canyon or better do a 2 stage that dropes a camera down into it...

Or a good rover for the side of the mountain, must be tons of lava tubes to search out for caves (where I believe most life is)

But hey... if you never read my take on it...

We spend enough money in Iraq each week to launch 16 probes...

Guess or Government has decided that Iraq is worth more than a whole planet... LOL maybe there is a stargate hidden there

reply to post by zorgon


Great shot!

I want that list too! all they ever do is drop hints and hold back data forever...

There is something that is missing here in either the calculations being made about Mars or the information being given...

I'm sorry but when they refer to that as clay like, they aren't kidding

We hear alot about the Martain atmosphere being hardly there, but this has to be nonsense because that clay is damp and i'm sorry but if the atmosphere was either as thin or the effects of the sun as deadly as they say there would be no way that close to and literally on the surface that liquid would hold in that damp manner...


It's NOT frozen hard as ice... it's mush, it can be scraped by a glorifed Roboraptor... there's enough atmosphere for this to happen, enough for those whirlwinds...

close to the ground there is atmosphere, amybe only very low to it compared to Earth... but there is at the least enough comng up from inside the planet and in the Martian soil to hold a layer close to the ground... at least most of the time...

without an atmosphere to speak of... this area should be frozen like rock or dust blown... thanks to the sun.


This planet is extremely close to what we would call extreme conditions on earth... thwere is life here, i'm certain of it.

The ground is damp and has water in it, things on earth feed on perchlorates...

Just announce it lol, stop teasing me over years of my %$#^& Life Rofl...

reply to post by mopusvindictus

Well sorry I posted the NASA red version...

Here is the yellow white stuff mentioned in the article... I notice even the news boys have a lousy copy



And to ArMaP about the COLOR issue....

I am VERY sure my colors on Mars are correct

Here is some Vesicular Basalt from my collection picked up in Nevada...



And here is a piece from Spirit on Mars

This is enhanced color...

Look closely at the soil... its darker where stirred up... go to any beach and dig in the dry sand... no color change... dig deeper and hit moisture the sand is darker

Look at the clumps left by the wheel... look at the skid marks where it slid...

And as the article says the scientists were puzzled and found traces of water in that hole...






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Originally posted by LiquidMirage


I have a funny feeling that this is contamination due to the use of rocket engines to slow the craft during its descent phase. I was surprised to know that NASA would use this type of landing rather than a hard landing with use of air bags. It will be interesting to see what additional soil analysis reveals.



apnews.myway.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

-They also stated the same results with the Viking Landers... Are they this stupid? How do they build a craft that can travel to Mars then confuse soil samples with their own contaminants...

-Next time bring the Lander and a Rover with the Same instrumentation and experiment capabilities so it can SAMPLE SOIL AWAY FROM THE LANDING SITE!!! NASA!

Originally posted by Brainiac Are they this stupid?

(see photo above)

Thanks for the Viking data link

Here is the image from the Canadian article... a little better quality...



And here is the image showing the 'wet sand'



There is no sign of any piles of sand falling back down its staying compacted and we already know there are strong winds that clean the Rovers

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I think they found something BIG, but incase someone else is watching waht is coming in form the rovers, they said it's from the lander, or the whole planet is laoded with it, just so they don't have to say they ere looking around and found a structure, weapon, or other object that would show proof of life is or was on Mars.

NASA: Too soon to say if chemical would inhibit life on Mars

Scientists take on rampant rumors about toxin found at Martian north pole

August 5, 2008 (Computerworld) NASA scientists, hoping to quell a growing number of rumors, say it's way to early to say exactly what they've found in the Martian soil.

In June, researchers at NASA and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory announced that they were finding more familiar than alien elements in the soil on Mars from initial test results sent back by the analysis equipment onboard the Mars Lander. Then this past weekend, rumors and posts started to appear on the Internet claiming that scientists had found a toxic chemical that would make the Red Planet uninhabitable.

Noting that they were stepping outside their normal scientific process, NASA assembled a team of Mars mission scientists Tuesday afternoon for a press conference aimed at tackling the rumors. Duane Brown, a NASA spokesman, said they wanted to address rumors that NASA had been withholding information from the public about a major finding.

SOURCE

NASA quickly goes into rumor-control overdrive over Mars findings
San Fransico Chronicle

Scientists: Salt in Mars soil not bad for life
By ALICIA CHANG – 4 hours ago
Associated Press

JEEZZZZ It was their reports that started this NASA

Well one day they are telling us theres something BIG on Mars and Bush was informed, NOW they are saying the soils deadly, if it wasnt so serious it would be laughable how stupid they are to belive that we buy it, well there goes the big news, like they say were prob not ready yet for big news.........morons

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
You have no sense of humor...

I have, but apparently is much different from yours.

A: The photoshop I did of the Orangutan on Mars was funny as heck...

No, it was just a photo of an orangutan pasted over a Mars photo, what's funny in that?

B: How do you miss the Sarcasm in those posts???

Different people think in different ways, it is a little difficult, without knowing the person, to distinguish in a post like your between ignorance and sarcasm, that is why most people use emoticons or "sarcasm tags" to show it, there is not other way of giving a different intonation to what is written, unless you are a very good writer.

Can you actually tell me it is not absolutely mentally insane to send Monkies to Mars (and duh I know russians have rockest)

Did you read the article or did you just read the title?

In the article it says that what they are most interested in is the reaction of the body to the combined effects during the prolonged space journey (around 500 days) of the radiation received, weightlessness, special diet and isolation.

And I do not have any way of knowing what you know unless you tell me (or even better, prove it).

What is this blind sentiment to Russia... why the hell would you launch monkies to Mars?

Blind sentiment to Russia? I don't understand it.

If they want to test landing and take off... they do Not need monkies... some hamsters could do just fine, K, it's not the 50's you don't need the Monkey to pull the lever they can do it from Earth...

But they do not want to test the landing, read the article, if you haven't done that already.

Send some people already... this is all ridiculous, they are hiding something... it's completely possible to do it and...it would cost what a few weeks In Iraq costs us...

It will cost nothing to me, so they can send all the people they want.

PS: not being a native English speaker may have had some influence in my interpretation of what you wrote.

reply to post by zorgon


So let me guess this straight.
First NASA deny everything, then say the soil is too toxic to contain life and now it is too earlier to confirm anything

Left hand doesn't know...

there is something big here and they already released the info by naming the chemical...

Mars is alive

reply to post by ArMaP


uh yeah not being native has you totally taking it he wrong way pal...

and seriously... whatever effects they want to determine on Monkies... Just get balls and do it the old fashioned way and see the effects on people...

enough of this Bs already, we loose thousands a day to wars over resources... someone on this planet has the cajones to take the chance...

I'd take my chances going to mars way ahead on my list of fighting over territory any day...

sending monkies is sh17 poor bs excuse for non disclosure... a stall tactic just like this probe is... a handful of scientists that think they are smart and follow scientific method to the point of insanity on topics we all know what the probability really is... there is almost NO chance earth hasn't successfully seeded in some way a planet this similar to our own...

let alone the raw odds that we are alone in a galaxy of Millions and Millions of planets...

this is a butchery of common sense already...

The russians know...we know... stop the nonsense and fight the real fight

The longer we sit on one world the closer to Dead we all are...

It's soaked Zorgon...

it's not liquid ammonia either, that would come out in a moment in the news...

The Ammonia that created the Perchlorates... has to be organic in one way or another.

We have life... how sad it is that science is the new church in terms of disbelief...

How can people be blind?

reply to post by ArMaP


And it was a damned funny oranguntan! All Orangutans are funny... they bust one out in Hollywood whenever there is a plot failure... come on bro

Originally posted by ArMaP
Too bad those standing bodies of water are just bad interpretation of the photos...

Unless you are talking about something I have never seen.

You have seen them as many, including myself, have shown them to you. This is clearly a question of interpretation and in that regard our opinions and conclusions vary wildly.

Stellar

reply to post by StellarX


In cases where, for example, the "ripples" appear in the same places and with the same shape in different occasions, the interpretation should be more consensual, but usually the people who interpret those as water do not look for other photos or do not make the comparison or, even worse, ignore those other photos.

PS: I am trying to find other, higher definition, images of the "icebergs" to show you on another thread.