Martian soil may contain detrimental substance

Well so maybe there really was an all out war that wiped out Martian life afterall...

Just do a search for "Perchlorate weapons"

All kind of hits ...

Waco and Amarillo are in turn adjacent to known perchlorate sites at the PANTEX nuclear weapons facility and the McGregor Naval Weapons station

Summary of Concerns - Perchlorate Contamination Information ...
www.perchlorate.org...

Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL): Low-level perchlorate ...
EPA currently has one approved method for perchlorate detection, ... developing technologies to reduce threats from weapons of mass destruction, ...
www.lanl.gov...


Particularly near weapons and rocket fuel manufacturing facilities and disposal sites, research. facilities, and military bases. Perchlorate can persist for ...
oehha.ca.gov...

36 States Face Perchlorate Contamination
As one city well after another tested positive for perchlorate - six of the ... The military used the site as a pit stop for weapons bound for the Port of ...
archive.newsmax.com...



Somebody Nuked the Martians

Okay okay maybe a wee tad premature

Originally posted by titorite
I mean certianly we sent up a mouse or something to see how long it could breath martian air right?

Don't know about that but the Russians are planning to send Monkeys




www.universetoday.com...

BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia tests monkeys for Mars trip
Apr 14, 2008 ... Russian monkey in Bion space capsule in Sochi ... Surface of Mars (file pic). Monkeys may touch down on boulder-strewn Mars before humans ...
news.bbc.co.uk...

So, is it common to find perchlorate formed naturally? It seems that all references to it seem to indicate we only have it as a byproduct of weapon systems.

Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by LiquidMirage


PERCHLORATE

Perchlorates are the salts derived from perchloric acid (HClO4). They occur both naturally and through manufacturing. They have been used as a medicine for more than 50 years to treat thyroid gland disorders. They are also used as an oxidizer in rocket fuel and explosives and can be found in airbags, fireworks, and Chilean fertilizers. Both potassium perchlorate (KClO4) and ammonium perchlorate (NH4ClO4) are used extensively within the pyrotechnics industry, whereas ammonium perchlorate is a component of solid rocket fuel. Lithium perchlorate, which decomposes exothermically to give oxygen, is used in oxygen "candles" on spacecraft, submarines and in other esoteric situations where a reliable backup or supplementary oxygen supply is needed. Most perchlorate salts are soluble in water.

WIKI

I have highlighted certain sentences in the above quote. Maybe this is what George W is being briefed on....

Queer eye for the planet guy. We are having so much dissimilated data thrust at us it is impossible to know the truth.

Looks like a red lifeless planet to me. The finding makes sense, does it not? However, the verdict on the contamination seems to still be under review.

Questions I have going through my head are;

1.) Why didn't we send a few plants there to see what happens? Are we really worried about contamination or are we more worried about having another planet to go to incase this one blows up?

2.) Why not send a cock roach with a camera strapped to it?

3.) I can not think of any plants that grow in the salt flats? but that does not mean that there is not suitable locations with different soil compounds?

4.) if life was actually on mars it is probably deep in the ground, is there anything that we can really send up there to dig deep into the ground without human supervision?

Originally posted by Karlhungis
Why is finding perchlorate on Mars an event that requires a presidential briefing, yet finding water wasn't? Maybe they all were, but this was hyped up like it was something special... perhaps I am missing the significance.

Isn't 'perchlorate' a rocket fuel component? thats what I heard on another post, thats why the Pres. was briefed . so he can lay down an attack plan to get it for the American gas guzzling rockets of doom and go to war with Mr and Mrs Martian. ( to free them from tyranny of course and let the Martians have Democracy the American way)

Originally posted by Caliwowly1

2.) Why not send a cock roach with a camera strapped to it?


?

Great , the Martians would think we're a race of interplanetary Roaches and want to step on us.


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Originally posted by Interestinggg
"It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix scientists about the discovery of something more \"provocative\" than the discovery of water existing on the Martian surface. This news comes just as the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer (TEGA) confirmed experimental evidence for the existence of water in the Mars regolith on Thursday."

And as soon as he is briefed........breakout the lies boys!
This is gonna be a tough one.To keep our slaves stupid.
It has to be something better than swamp gas.
But still something extremely boring and uninteresting.

Amen this is something... utterly reprehensble and total bs...

it's A: almost certainly from the landing... I mean this is retarded...

it's such a stupid thing... all that IQ and no one thought about the fact that it was picking up samples from where it made a decent with rocket fuel? and noe they use the traces of the chemical to say no life...

a few days after a "big announcement" was going to be made????

I call BS

It doesn't really matter what detrimental effects for life we might discover on Mars.
Mars is serving as a testbed for future exploration. We are going to encounter worlds with unimaginable harshness yet this is our challenge to make something useful out of them.
Space is full or resources we need to figure out ways to extract them.

We wouldn't send plants up there as I have already seen countless pictures of trees and plants on mars and standing water! This entire thing is ludicrous. Biologists, and numerous people call it what is truly is! As an artist, I can tell what ripples around a rock of water look like, and what the tops of giant trees shrubs look like as well. Furthermore, if the crowned face was made by nature, what an incredible artist she is, surpassing our large scale. So, this is absolute rubbish and after waiting for something to finally be released, am pretty much ready to tar and feather the whole f**king bunch of them and run them off the planet!

Originally posted by LazyGuy
I hate to say it, but it makes some sense to me. IF (big if) Mars is actually a red planet as pictures and telescopes tell us then there has to be something that is widespread to cause the color. A strong oxidizer might be the culprit.

AND that may be the reason why Mars is so desolate and potentially void of life.

New Sci-fi theme:

"They went to Mars with a hope to save the planet earth. What they found could lead to the biggest extinction of life, Earth has ever seen. EARTH.. the Dead Planet."

reply to post by zorgon


Wow.. Monkeys to Mars?

Mars will be the new Planet of the Apes.

Hi all this is my first post

Multi million dollar equipment you would think it would get it right the first time seing as past NASA experience should be sudden failure of equipment meaning loss of ALL data haha

another point to make if they was not sure about the first sample why make the announcment in the first place ....isnt it basic scientific practice to test multiple times before coming to a basic conclusion and then TEST some more and then say something non commital

i think they are hiding something about what they have found but i dont think its LIFE or possability of just yet i think it might be something worth alot more to the establishment taking into account this current economical climate

I still haven't found any evidence of how much water was in the sample captured at the "Mars regolith" where they supposedly confirmed the existence of water. The first sample analyzed had a difficult time falling out of the scoop and the sample was analyzed as having 1% or less water. (They weren't sure??). It was also stated in the briefing that they were not 100% sure that it was not contamination since the sample was retrieved from under the lander for the first sample and that they needed to confirm elsewhere. Is that elsewhere the "regolith" and if so, how much of a percent of water? The news is misleading because the speakers for NASA are semi-unprofessional in bringing the facts.

I honestly don't care how much water they picked up recently and brought back for analysis. I am referring to photos on mars of standing bodies of water that have very natural ripples around rocks, and they can talk till their blue in the face, but their explanations are not logical, not biologically correct. Who are you going to believe, the government or your lying eyes? That was from a Larry King show, and its just right on! Forests too. But of course, our eyes can't recognize obvious things like that, no we need pyscho babble interpreters from NASA.

Seems more like a cover story to me. Just a way to end all curiosity and continue research without being bothered.

The next thing you know they will be having routine launches to the Space Station A.K.A. Mars.

reply to post by mystiq


Too bad those standing bodies of water are just bad interpretation of the photos...

Unless you are talking about something I have never seen.

Originally posted by spacebot
It doesn't really matter what detrimental effects for life we might discover on Mars.
Mars is serving as a testbed for future exploration. We are going to encounter worlds with unimaginable harshness yet this is our challenge to make something useful out of them.
Space is full or resources we need to figure out ways to extract them.

well amen... it's not like trace amounts of any chemical means anything in regards to life anyway... we find life on earth places we never expected to also

Originally posted by Quazga
reply to post by zorgon

 

Wow.. Monkeys to Mars?

Mars will be the new Planet of the Apes.

This says to me that... The Russian space agency is even more retarded than Nasa is...

Why the hell send a monkey anywhere?

What is this..."Curious george goes to Mars"

How do they get the monkies there? By handing them a giant handful of Ballons at the park?

and what do the monkies do once they are on Mars... slowly starve to death while looking out a window? Or are they humane and the last bannana has old Kgb cyanide capsules in it?

I just don't see any purpose in this experiment


I'll catch you guys later... I'm going to go try and one up the Russians...

I have an orangutang I'm trying to stuff into an Electromagnetic rail gun i'm building in my yard from a couple of old microwaves, some old railroad track and a circus cannon... hopefully Clyde remembers how to upload pictures from the digital camera to my old laptop when he lands...

Hey Look... I did it! I beat the Russians...

This is Clyde after he realizes he is on Mars... Monkies love space... He is very excited to be there just look at his face...

But wait... who took the picture???? Omg...








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