Another NASA employee comes forward - 8-9 Foot Alien Sighted

reply to post by RiotComing


Sounds like he has a bee in his bonnet about his former employers. I dont know which side of the fence to fall on this one. I think it hinges on why NASA chose to sack him! Is this just sour grapes? An employee trying to cause as much trouble for his former employers as is humanly possible, or is he telling the truth? Meetings in shuttle bays between 9 foot tall aliens and astronauts! Make a great plot for the next X-Files movie...

reply to post by RiotComing


This is in reply to the OP

Fascinating! Great find, mate! Thanks.

I am replying after only reading the text in the linked page, so I don't know much about this story, or the witness so far but I'm looking forwardto finding out more.

Two things spring immediately to mind though.
Firstly, the affidavit is badly done, it is a poor mix of first and third person writing which makes it look very unprofessional and quite dodgy.

Secondly, why on Earth is there no discription of the EBE or the craft, further than a rough guess at it's height? Surely this person must realise that people are going to desperately want to know exactly what it was he saw?

Maybe this is due to a certain arrogance (that word again!) from the author, rather than anything suspicious. I dunno, whatever it is, it's extremely thoughtless.

Thanks again for the information though!

Originally posted by Tha Joker
Why would this guy have to pay people $500.00 to release his article in a newspaper or magazine if he had real proof? Don't you think if the proof was undeniable, magazines and newspapers would be jumping on this....for free? Just seems a little stinky to me, thats all.

If what you say is the truth, you shouldn't have to pay people to accept it.

[edit on 7/29/08 by Tha Joker]

He explains that his contract was ended without the promise of a pension being fulfilled.

The guy doesn't have a constant wage.

I don't see any reason at all why he shouldn't ask and expect to be paid for his information if it is taken by any media sources.

That's the real World mate. People need to survive and to do that they do something that people will pay money for, it is perfectly natural and doesn't at all take away from his statement. It is quite unfair and very cynical to accuse him of anything underhanded just because he wants payment for his work.

EDIT: I will say though that Mr McClelland has published book/s on the subject of UFOlogy. He is possibly (probably?) in the process of publishing one right now

[edit on 30-7-2008 by triplesod]

Originally posted by ngchunter
Are there any astronauts still in the corps who were involved in the DOD missions? I doubt it, but I'm going to look it up and come up with a list of astronauts still active, if any, and what DOD missions they were on.

Jerry Ross - still in managment, not an astronaut - 3rd secret DOD mission.
David Leestma - still in managment, not an astronaut - 4th secret DOD
John Casper - still in managment, not an astronaut - 6th secret DOD
Robert Cabana - still in managment, not an astronaut - 8th secret DOD

Ok, so no active astronauts, but former astronauts who are now managers, some of them pretty high level. Does that count as to what he was talking about? We can rule out only half of the DOD missions as being possibilities if we assume that there must be at least one astronaut still at NASA from the mission he was talking about.

Originally posted by Tha Joker
reply to post by RiotComing

 

For immediate compensated release:
[$500.00 for each copy of the following Article Release for anyone wants to reprint it in a newspaper, magazine, TV, radio, etc. Unless I approve only]

It is my take on it that he is paying the media $500.00 for whoever reprints his story. I could be wrong though.

You're right.

You're right about being wrong, I mean.

Of course he isn't going to pay someone to print his story!!

With all due respect, use some common sense, mate. I honestly don't mean to be rude but, I mean... c'mon!

Originally posted by triplesod
That's the real World mate. People need to survive and to do that they do something that people will pay money for, it is perfectly natural and doesn't at all take away from his statement. It is quite unfair and very cynical to accuse him of anything underhanded just because he wants payment for his work.

EDIT: I will say though that Mr McClelland has published book/s on the subject of UFOlogy. He is possibly (probably?) in the process of publishing one right now

If he honestly had proof that ETs had been in direct contact with NASA then he'd know that he wouldn't have to beg for the money. He'd know he'd be showered in cash for appearances on every talk show from now to judgement day. His claim as to why he was terminated stinks big time. A secret giant object hurtling towards us at high fractions of c for at least the last 15 years and only NASA has noticed? Not buying it. At the very least, if he's being honest he should arrange it so that his being paid is contigent on there being solid proof. In other words, publishing it in something like a book. If he's being honest and his evidence is sound then it'll be an instant best seller and he'll be much richer than just $500 bucks a hit from each media outlet. As it stands he could be totally BS'ing everything and he'd still be paid quite well for it, even if it was a total lie without a shred of evidence.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by triplesod
That's the real World mate. People need to survive and to do that they do something that people will pay money for, it is perfectly natural and doesn't at all take away from his statement. It is quite unfair and very cynical to accuse him of anything underhanded just because he wants payment for his work.

EDIT: I will say though that Mr McClelland has published book/s on the subject of UFOlogy. He is possibly (probably?) in the process of publishing one right now

If he honestly had proof that ETs had been in direct contact with NASA then he'd know that he wouldn't have to beg for the money. He'd know he'd be showered in cash for appearances on every talk show from now to judgement day. His claim as to why he was terminated stinks big time. A secret giant object hurtling towards us at high fractions of c for at least the last 15 years and only NASA has noticed? Not buying it. At the very least, if he's being honest he should arrange it so that his being paid is contigent on there being solid proof. As it stands he could be totally BS'ing everything and he'd still be paid quite well for it, even if it was a total lie without a shred of evidence.

But that's exactly what he's done. He has put the story out there as the worm and is sitting, waiting for a bite with the disclaimer of a price (and a very fair price for that information). He is basically doing things the way you have said.

The other astronaut, if his story is printed in a paper, he will receive a payment for it too, just he hasn't given a prenouncement of what price he would be expecting.

Regarding the reason he was laid off/sacked, well, I haven't read that yet but I will do after getting a bit further in this thread.

Cheers mate!

Wait a second- Most of you are basically telling me that this guy is credible because he says he is. Personally I have never heard of this man. I don't even know how to look him up (maybe I will try after I am finished writing this).

Some of you said "Why do you think he is lying because he is asking for money?" I will tell you why that would be a lot of people's first thought. If he is as broke as he says he is, then he would probably, as a lot of people would, do anything to get some cash. Let's say he really did work for NASA, even if only for a short time, then the perfect thing for him to do to try and get cash would be to try and convince people that he knows the secret that haunts us all- the secret of other life in the universe, because he is CREDIBLE. He worked with an agency that has people in SPACE.

Also, it is hypocritical to say that he is doing this for us and then to ask for our money. He is not helping anyone. He is making himself look like a nut which, as we've seen for the past many years, makes the rest of us look like nuts.

Originally posted by triplesod
But that's exactly what he's done. He has put the story out there as the worm and is sitting, waiting for a bite with the disclaimer of a price (and a very fair price for that information). He is basically doing things the way you have said.

Oh, so he said only to pay him if it turns out he can back up his claims with hard evidence? No, that's not what he's doing at all I'm afraid.

The other astronaut, if his story is printed in a paper, he will receive a payment for it too, just he hasn't given a prenouncement of what price he would be expecting.

Who is the "other" astronaut exactly and how is this supposed to make me feel better if it turns out he's lying? If he's lying, so what, he used an astronaut's creditentials to steal money and give some of the bounty to the poor used astronaut.

My theory is that this might be NASA trying to put a guy out there that's backing up Edgar Mitchell's story, while having his own story that sounds completely ridiculous in an effort to make Edgar Mitchell's story sound ridiculous too.

Also, it is hypocritical to say that he is doing this for us and then to ask for our money. He is not helping anyone. He is making himself look like a nut which, as we've seen for the past many years, makes the rest of us look like nuts.

too harsh man....

in my job/life i do things to help people every day, doesnt mean i dont want paying for it - this guy has overheads like everyone else.

I reserve judgement on whether this guy is telling the truth or not (i will leave the detective work down to the sensible and excellently academic members of ATS that i love and respect) but i guarantee that ;like any normal and self protecting human being on the planet, this guy is going to need funds.

He has probably been through the mill, none of us know his personal circumstances...and lets face it, he aint asking for 50,000 squid per print - hell, i would be.

July 21, 1999

In the world of UFO research, whistle-blowers come and go. Often they appear on the scene suddenly, as if out of nowhere, spouting grand claims and grander resumes. Almost as often, such people turn out to be complete frauds and hucksters. But not always. The late Lt. Col. Philip Corso, for example, was exactly who he said he was -- a highly decorated Cold Warrior with close ties to the Eisenhower administration and a demonstrated penchant for championing unpopular positions both inside and outside the military. When Corso said he knew for certain that an alien spacecraft had crashed in New Mexico in 1947, it became necessary to examine his claims seriously -- not because he could prove them true (he could not) but because he was a credible witness.

The Corso example points up a vexing truism about whistle-blowers as well as other UFO claimants. More often than not, the value of the claim must be judged mainly by the inherent credibility of the witness, because no irrefutable evidence is offered. But witness credibility does count -- in a court of law, it can be the difference between an acquittal and a death sentence.

Now comes another whistle-blower, one Clark C. McClelland, who says that for more than three decades he worked at NASA's launch facilities at Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. During that time, he says, he saw plenty of evidence that NASA officials and employees were exposed to unexplainable and sometimes quite alarming UFO events. If McClelland is telling the truth, he could become one of the most significant UFO witnesses in recent memory.

The July 1 issue of CNI News carried a story told by Clark McClelland regarding a conversation he claims to have had with famed rocketeer Wernher von Braun. McClelland says that von Braun, like Corso, confirmed that a spacecraft of unknown origin crashed near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. When we ran that story on July 1, we were obliged to note that "our initial efforts to confirm [McClelland's] NASA background have been inconclusive." Needless to say, if McClelland's background did not check out, his UFO claims would be worthless.

As in the case of Col. Corso, we still can't guarantee that McClelland's UFO stories are true -- that would require a talent for mind-reading that we do not possess. But CNI News can now offer assurance that McClelland's NASA background checks out. He is, in our opinion, a credible witness.

Walter Kollosch is retired now but still lives near the Cape where he worked for years as a NASA subcontractor with the Martin Company. Back in the early 1960s, Clark McClelland worked for Martin as well. Clark was a draftsman then, and he worked with Kollosch on the Gemini program. Later Clark moved to the Boeing Company, but he stayed at the Cape, Kollosch recalls.

Kollosch remembers that Clark McClelland was outgoing and well-liked. "Everybody knew him. He even got to know the Mercury astronauts when we were working on Pershing [missile program]. When he was with Boeing, ... he was in with the Apollo astronauts... I don't know of anyone who didn't like him," Kollosch told CNI News.

McClelland says that one reason he has decided to come forward with his UFO information is that he has been somehow black-balled by NASA and has been unable to get work in the aerospace industry since 1992.

"Clark has had some bad luck as far as his employment goes. Clark is very talented. For him to be out of work for so long strikes me as being very suspicious," Kollosch said. But he did not volunteer more detail on McClelland's recent work problems.

Kollosch also knew that McClelland was very serious about UFOs back in the 1960s. They talked about it from time to time, but Kollosch said he wouldn't have wanted to bring it up with others at the launch facility.

There was a lot of secrecy in the space program in those days. The manned space program was, in effect, an integral part of the Cold War.

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Originally posted by robertfenix
There is no "air" in space, therefore the alien would need some type of breathing device. Also the lack of air as a medium to propagate sound wave, would also mean the alien could not be having a free air discussion and therefore as stated above must be using a radio communication device.

LOL and YOU know ET's breath air how? Got any evidence to back that theory up? How can they have a discussion with out propagating sound waves via "air", telepathically maybe? hmm

The guy does sound eccentric, and most brillian minds are actually. I know nothing of this Clark guy, but the more attention the ET issue gets the better. If you want creditability, start with The Disclosure Project. Then remember this is reality, and our leaders and government are keeping it from us along with opportunity they have no right to deny.

As far as being too harsh, I say this because of the way that he writes and the fact that he is asking for money to tell you about aliens. This, to the mass media, is the kind of thing that gives people like us a bad name.

As for the payment situation, this is not his job. Comparing your job to the thing he is doing that makes us look bad does not work here, in my opinion.

Clark McClelland along with everyone else who is retired from NASA or USAF is selling books. Nothing to see here folks.

this whole story is a fake and made up, old people rarly use this type of language when writting something this serious, this reminds me of those get rich scum sites, its the same crap attached to history ! 500 dollars for what ? his not well of ? thats not possible when he got a website, plus web host, domain name, etc this all costs money !

so this dude who ever it is, is a fake ass scumer. whom doesnt write good english, and probably isnt english, it sounds like some spanish germen or pure american behide this screen for sure.

reply to post by amongus


You know, after I read that, I got the impression that this was a deliberate attempt to criticize, and even defame Dr Edgar Mitchell's account. His account seems quite a bit more verifiable, as well as being free to all that would listen.

There's just something about this whole thing that has me scratching my head. This seems, to me anyway, to be just one more of the government's many deflective techniques, designed to keep our eyes off of the ball. They'll do anything to discredit someone from telling the truth about something; even if it means making something else up, even more amazing than what was said by the original person.

My vote is that this particular "admission" is nothing more than a bunch of hokey nonsense, with the explicit purpose of deflecting public opinion away from Dr. Edgar Mitchell's statements.




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reply to post by unnamedninja


You don't find that fact alone - that NASA and USAF retirees are selling these books - compelling? With reputation, personal and family, on the line...it seems so clear to me that these men (some, not all) are motivated by something other than greed.

I think this guy is totally full of #. The beginning sounded pretty believable but the end was totally pathetic. The first half is him boasting about how amazing he is and all the things he has done with NASA and then the ending portion is him begging and pleading to people about how he needs money. He totally tried to play the sally sob story by going on and on about how his life is crap and his wife left him and this and that... I think it's a mega scam to get money out of people and if anyone is dumb enough to send him money... well.. sucks for you to be so naive.

Not only that but I agree with some other guy that posted on here... if this was really such a believable story... I think he wouldn't have a hard time publishing this stuff.

just like Serpo, the creative re-visioning will occur as people point out the holes in the story.

Ala, now the alien is said to have had a space suit on

Ala, now the 8-9 foot alien is said to have to remained bent over while instead the orbiter since it was pointed out the decks levels due not support a ceiling height in excess of even 7 feet.

Etc etc

In response to some other posters, questioning about certain things... think about it... A space suit is designed to protect the astronaut from Radiation, cosmic rays, etc, this means no "waves" in no "waves" out from inside the space suit, the astronauts head is inside the space suit. Brain waves Alpha length etc that are generated in a humans head do radiate out and can be intercepted, but not while in a shielded spacesuit, unless it is through the temporal sensor pads connected to the biofeedback monitor, reporting Ox, BP, rate etc, some other functions I believe there is a stress meter as well.

As for the bay doors its well know they are quite flimsy and prone to damage. Maybe not constructed of stryofoam and tinfoil but the intent with my statement is that in no way is this a secure or advisable "meeting area" to meet an alien lifeform. Putting the rest of the crew in danger in the event the meeting did not turn out so well.

The very concept of flying a DoD orbiter mission to RV with an alien craft take an EVA to go meet this thing in the cargo bay and later to have the large alien being inside the orbiter is absurd, outlandish and far from logically acceptable in accordance to OP.

More then likely it was a CIA mission to "hijack" a SAT from a less then friendly competitor. Go up take the SAT put it in the bay and return home with it to disect it.

The object in the bay (if he really saw something and its not just made up) is some long cylinder like SAT with solar panels on each side looking like "arms" some probably optical or sensor package that looked like a head.

Here is a human who was almost 9' tall

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I could post photos of the inside of the crew decks on an orbiter but I think you will understand that the whole scenario is just not very plausible.