The tri-lobed Egyptian bowl

Originally posted by frugal
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Why is the object "fragile" rock? What kind of rock? Maybe it was used as a mock up to make a mold of it. The Egyptian person may have designed it?

Water Mills used rock to grind up corn. The hole on that rock reminds me of the holes in the grinding stones.
The rock doesn't look like art, it looks like a machinery part.

Here is a link that talks about the type of metasiltstone,

Link to a discussion of the type of material used by the AE

At the start of the thread was this possible description of what the bowl might have been used for

Emery (1972) suggests that the artifact may have been carved in the imitation of a metal vessel's form, with a center hole that was originally designed to fit on a pedestal. Possible competition between metal and stone vessel artisans may have been one of the reasons for the development of artistic expression in ornamental stone vessel forms during the Early Dynastic Period (El-Khouli 1978). William Kay has suggested that the vessel was a ritualistic tri-flamed oil lamp, in which bundles of rushes, immersed in oil, acted as the wicks. These bundles of rushes were held in place by the lobes, and the vessel was suspended on a pedestal inserted through the center. Whether it was actually used for this purpose is uncertain. The fragile nature of such an intricately carved stone object greatly limits is practical usage and suggests a purely ornamental function, being of a religious or other such ritualistic purpose.

I thought well it looks like a steering wheel kinda but those inward pointed phalanges say "blender to me

so I'm going to say maybe part of an ancient bread machine?

the only thing it can't possibly be is a bowl

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
I thought well it looks like a steering wheel kinda but those inward pointed phalanges say "blender to me

so I'm going to say maybe part of an ancient bread machine?

the only thing it can't possibly be is a bowl

'tis mysterious




It might help when speculating to look at the location of the bowl in the tomb in which it was found. It is labeled as the metasiltstone bowl in the middle

okay Hanslune okay

on a more serious analysis here goes...

I have seen pics of the trilobed gadget before ,but just the gadget no context.
this thread is my first contact with this grave and it 's contents .

I have to say this is one of the weirdest graves I have seen yet!

the way things are grouped here is decidedly peculiar.
I do think the key to the gadget is the whole grouping , and the individual with whom they are associated.

so even as I write I am cogitating on these things

it so NOT a bowl ,this I can state with certainty

At first glance the first function that popped into my head was mortar mixer. (cement).

Then the second though I had was pump.

okay i thought about this for a whole hour and I'm going with

BUTTER CHURN


because he was found with not one but two cattle so I think it has something to do with cows
I also heard that when making blood pudding it is necessary to stir the blood constantly so it doesn't coagulate
so 'blood churn'?

can't go to the after life without butter and or blood pudding !

and it could be used as is for these things as both butter and blood must be handled delicately due to their chemical fragility (I've made plenty of butter!)

reply to post by MrsBlonde


That's interesting I hadn't heard the butter churn idea before. Perhaps an AE food expert will enlighen us on their butter churning technology!

However I don't recall a barrel or other item to churn the butter in the tomb and the tri-lob has a diameter of 61 cm (24 inches) so that is one heck of a churn (I can think of the EVD joke, 'churn of the gods').

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by MrsBlonde

 

That's interesting I hadn't heard the butter churn idea before. Perhaps an AE food expert will enlighen us on their butter churning technology!

However I don't recall a barrel or other item to churn the butter in the tomb and the tri-lob has a diameter of 61 cm (24 inches) so that is one heck of a churn (I can think of the EVD joke, 'churn of the gods').

right I thought of that too but there isn't any evidence for it being a log former or an impeller or anything else either
there must be a gazillion kinds of butter churn see Hanslune? not just the one that leaps immediatly to mind in the form of the usual medieval one.

sooo.. I went with butter churn because like I said it has to relate to what else is there and that is dead cattle
flint technology which I think is possibly compatible with making butter ,since he is an important guy he would have stone item that in most households would be made of wood. if someone makes me a replica I'll do the butter /blood experimentation!!! We'll make an ATS video out of it!!

because I'm guessing of course without actually trying what I have in mind there is no way to know

This is a piece of high technology for us today but a transmission of ancient days.

You are all really close but as soon as I saw it i knew immediatly what it was by its form and potential function,if you know the technology it originates from you can visualise its function.

The Late Respected David Hamel--a genius of any era,has given us the prototype for the example of the three lobed IONIC [my word]impeller form and function.,this is a part of his anti-gravity flying saucer

it is used for energy distribution,direction,and regulation,IONIC energy,there is a crescent shaped vent or hole somewhere on Hamils design and it is here that this is used,Imagine a vast huge resevoir of energy that you tap into and imagine having to hold back,regulate,and control,this energy,then consider the directional manipulation of this controlled energy to control the craft.

Davids craft creates ions in its function and this energy is somehow controlled with this part or is enhanced or somehow altered,there is website that has an excellent set of videos showing the part in action as it is actually used,although the man who extrapolated the application and built the prototypes didnt know the eventual realisation of its true original application in a technology like Hamils,he had connected the Magnetic,and someone on this thread mentioned ionic realisation related to the part.

David would have immediatly recognised the objects function and loved to have had this before he died ,it would have fit perfectly into his plans for his spaceship.

Someone here who hangs out at hameltech can pass on this info to their forums they will "get it"immediatly ,just say where it originated,One4all.

I understood Hamel almost immediatly in theory and thought process,I was also abducted in Canada.However I wasnt quite in the type of contact David Hamel was participating in.But I think it was some of the same type of people I was in contact with.

Davids understanding of the "magnetic"and how the egyptians manipulated and understood it are the same ideas,there are others who understand the "magnetic"reality that science has shut out from us.They are the same principals Leidskillen used to build the coral castle,he just tweaked them because he learned directly from the egyptian teachings,while Hamil was indoctrinated straight from the source that taught the egyptians so he was actually referring BACK to the egyptian stuff as a basis to complete his designs,remember the Leidskillen was learnig from the egyptians and they were just Coles Notes to Mr.David Hamel.

I must add that David was trying to develope his technology to build a ship to preserve some of humanity from a coming catastrophe,I also know of this coming event through my own contacts,David Hamel was AS CLOSE TO NOAH AS YOU WILL GET---right down to directions ect.you just need to remember that humanity recovers and advances to different levels between these cyclical natural global catastrophes that decimate humanitys NUMBERS,kicking us back to the stone ages in manufacturing capability,which means we become really smart cave-men who have to pass on as much high tech theory and fact as we can before we as the last pre-event generation survivors die and our conceptual knowledge dies with us.

Someone with enough money ,and a "friend"who can understand Davids work could build a prototype within 12 months and a massive ship within 24 mths.All the information needed is out in the public domain all around us literally.I think its more about your minds ability to conceptualise these ideas without a basis in reality to launch your belief system from,people like david,myself and thousands more ABDUCTEES worldwide,we HAVE a firm relity to base our belief systems on so we can easily conceptualise these ideas.

It sounds like there are some really smart technical posters on this thread,especially whoever mentioned ions.If some of you study Hamel you wil immediatly "get it".I will try to find the site I saw the videos of the part in action ,it is awsome and correctly illustrates the function in part.Its also really cool because the guy who did the videos had no clue what he had found JUST THAT IT WAS SOMETHING FUNCTIONAL,read it it is so much a part of disclosure by fate.

I will post the video site soon.

here it is,google-gill simo 11.15.02 and read and watch the info it should show you the way to Hamels application and the parts true nature,of which I claim no accuracy,just the path to the answer which I was given, the link to Hamel and Leidskillen and the Egyptians who I think were less "smart"than we think,and the link between Hamel and Noah,I also was lead to info like David,how to build a j-shaped underground shelter to surviva a Tsunami using mother natures own force against her to survive without seeking orbit for a year or a couple of days or whatever.Picture loading cans of tuna and bags of salad and fruit onto a ship that will take you to orbit to sit out a cataclysm.We arent talking interstellar flight just a jump to orbit or the moon to sit out the whitewash of the planet by our sloshing and overflowing oceans.

This part we are discussing is an integral part of this technology wether Mr.Hamel ever saw it or not,and we need to get this info out and keep it on record.

Great thread and good extrapolations throughout,so close so many times .You have no idea how many basic "water"type comparisons in conception there are to underwater and above water and under space and above space,we being the space,the concepts and principals are almost interchangable with a few tweaks.I went to the moon on a small craft and was on large interstellar craft here on Earth Space is NOT what we have been told it is.I got to the moon in a short amount of time and it was sort of a time warp of a trip,a long distance but a short time at a seemingly slow speed,NOT like warp speed.

This part will help us learn to do the same thing in a SHORT time,way less parts than a car ,cheaper than a car to build,endless free energy and interplanetary capabilities,everyone could have one in a few years.And you will all understand the technology right away it is really simple and natural so its not complicated,there is no "math" as we have been taught math to be,it is a "natural math"constructed of figure,form,and function that is 100% NATURAL,not a reproduction or a fascmile of natural cause and effect like the false math we are taught in school, but ACTUAL NATURAL CAUSE AND EFFECT.Learned through the visual and visceral input derived from symbolic structure and connection,learned at WARP speed because one symbol taken in natural context is the same as a thousand mathematical formulas as we learn them today.

reply to post by reddpill


redpill,where did you learn or rather how did you learn the correct application for this device???I learned from the designs for anti-gravity craft created by the late and respected David Hamel,a contactee and a genius of our time.

This ionic impeller is exactly what David was duplicating but nowhere near as refined a version as this one is--and you are so dead on with your knowledge of its application,so again if you dont mind sharing ,how did you know the correct application,I have never heard the right guess and I knew instantly as soon as I saw it once.

if you have never read David Hamels work you really should i assume you will understand him and his understanding of the egyptian directions as I have.

Trilobe- I agree -this appears to be an impeller. You research indicates it generates a vortex.I deal with a centrifugal pump manufacturer here in the USA. Seems end suction pumps could bebefit from this design. Do you still have your tri bode impeller model? Very interested.

reply to post by zendon


Impeller?



A nice piece of stone work but not quite 'straight' if you put that on the end of a spinning shaft........

I thought this was a flower or something or that's what they said in "revelations of the pyramids"

I know-I know....I'm not going to be appreciated for this.

it just shows to me that people have been expressing themselves artistically in the stylized, abstract and surreal for millenia. I am a wood carver and do a lot of things in what I call "stylized realism" in which I exaggerate the dominant qualities of whatever I am carving.

SOOO many people say the ancients must have been trying to depict or illustrate something profound they saw when they look back over the centuries at art.

It is art. It is nothing more nor nothing less. People had dreams and fantasies 10's of thousands of years ago just like we do...the more clever and skilled of them made representations of those thoughts, dreams and fantasies...just like we do today.

You only have to look at the Egyptian God "Thoth" to realize a profound imagination was at work a really-really long time ago.

Just my "artisitic" opinion though.

It looks like a hubcap to me.

Why wouldn't they have hubcaps? They have wheels?

I can't see a good enough picture of it though. All those links posted are like parts, I didn't see one with a really good overview.

Originally posted by Damrod
I know-I know....I'm not going to be appreciated for this.

it just shows to me that people have been expressing themselves artistically in the stylized, abstract and surreal for millenia. I am a wood carver and do a lot of things in what I call "stylized realism" in which I exaggerate the dominant qualities of whatever I am carving.

SOOO many people say the ancients must have been trying to depict or illustrate something profound they saw when they look back over the centuries at art.

It is art. It is nothing more nor nothing less. People had dreams and fantasies 10's of thousands of years ago just like we do...the more clever and skilled of them made representations of those thoughts, dreams and fantasies...just like we do today.

You only have to look at the Egyptian God "Thoth" to realize a profound imagination was at work a really-really long time ago.

Just my "artisitic" opinion though.

I'd agree, art happens, it always doesn't have some meaning or secret symbolism!

reply to post by hadriana


Trilobed

Cleaned up digital version

reply to post by zendon


Hello zendon,
Yes I still have my models....as far as I know, I'm the only person to have bothered to make a model...everybody else would rather speculate,ponder or guess....

I too work work with centrafugal pumps amonst other things....and this shape when spun in water creates a vortex.....drawing in from the centre and throwing out at the circumference......low pressure in the centre,higher pressure on the outside diameter...even at low rpm ie...60rpm.

I feel that this item should be examined by an engineer in fluid dynamics...not art historians or the such....

The wingees are always saying that you can't look at ancient items with modern eyes.......fine, lets forget the historical aspect and just concentrate on the shape....

Make a model of this shape...mount it on a shaft and spin....see what happens..
It's not that hard.

You will only find the answers by doing.....many people can't do...even educated ones.

Found something similar and perhaps interesting article about ''bow- and hand-powered coring drills'':
www.oocities.org...

This looks a bit similar as the tri-lobed bowl:

Metasiltstone ornamental bowl:

reply to post by reddpill


Hello reddpill,
I'm replying to your post on the previous page....I apologize for not responding earlier.

Yes..with the lobes upward and spun in water ...it creates a whirlpool....the bowl is 2-3inches underwater.

Now turn it upside down ....with the lobes pointing down....place it close to the bottom of bath tub ( my testing vessel)..say 2-3inches and it sucks quite strongly....trying to drag itself down lower....very noticable...

I hope this helps,