The tri-lobed Egyptian bowl

reply to post by operation mindcrime


hello Mind Crime,
thank you for your reply, I would like to stick to Hanslune after all it is his thread. He is an archeologist, he does diggs, he's a practical fellow with an opened mind.
I've been to the "Hall of Maat" probably the best site for all things about ancient eygpt, where I checked out their tri-lobe bowl thread + links, stone carving ,workings ect,ect. I found it lacking for my needs. So it was down to the back shed and I made my models, for some reason I had it in my head that this was to be used in water. So I filled the bath-tub up with water and spun the model in it. It spun the water really smoothly, But when I spun the bowl near the bottem of the bath-tub it nearly pulled the pistol-drill out of my hand. I got friends to try for them selves and it was the same result. There was some sort of hydrodynamic thing going on here.
What I really need is for some one else to make a model, I've shown how with my photos here on ATS and to copy the bath-tub experiment....share their findings.... and between us, nut this thing out and solve this 5000 yr old mystery......any takers?

This is truly an interesting thread, with lots of ideas. My first thought went to propeller. Could this thing move air? The reason I'm asking is that since it was inside a sealed tomb, which may very well have had some overlooked shafts (perhaps that could be opened from the inside if you knew what you were doing). There are several still unexplored small shafts at Cheops leading from some of the sealed rooms. So, could this simply create an air movement? Perhaps the idea being to get all of the air out of the room before sealing it? Or getting air into the room for the prince's afterlife?

reply to post by tri-lobe-1

Originally posted by tri-lobe-1
But when I spun the bowl near the bottem of the bath-tub it nearly pulled the pistol-drill out of my hand.

This sounds to me like your creating a vortex in front of your "bowl".
Centrifugal force would 'throw' the water away from your spinning bowl and naturally create an area of negative relative pressure in front of it. I would think that this vortex pulls this displaced water into itself since you described this as not doing any work towards propelling your canoe but the bottom of the tub interrupts this circulation and you feel this force. What you feel is the weight of the water pushing down on your bowl because you are removing the water underneath it.

reply to post by Devino


hello Devino,

I came to the same conclusions 18 mths ago, through observations of my own handywork, thank you for your response.

reply to post by ajmusicmedia

hello AJ,

Check out Hanslune's link's pg 1, Prince Sabu's tomb lay-out and grave goods. tri-lobe bowl by its self, no shafts, no rods or connectors.

can it move air? check out my 1st post pg 2. I hope this helps.

reply to post by Hanslune


Howdy Hanslune,

I was wondering if you could clarify some things for me? To be correct this item would be called The Ornamental Tri-lobe Metasiltstone bowl,.....But if it was an oil lamp as suggested by William Kayes? then it would be a practical item..

So would it be fair to label it as The Ornamental Practical Tri-lobe Metasiltstone Oil Lamp?.....boy what a mouthful.

If it was an oil lamp, Where is it's pedistal,stand or support? Are we to think that Prince Sabu was given only a half of his favoured oil lamp for use in the afterlife? To me it's like burying a chariot without it's wheels,This would make for a very angry Prince Sabu, Not a nice way to start one's afterlife.

Let's keep my fringe idea out of these questions and stick to standard EA norms.

Heres a example of the center post cap for a tent.




And it seems they were very important to Mongolians. They called them shangyraks and passed them on to there children for generations. Its on the Kazakh coat of arms and on Kyrgyz flag.

en.wikipedia.org...

The wooden crown of the yurt (Mongolian: тооно, IPA: [tɔːn]; Kazakh: шаңырақ, IPA: [ʃɑɴərɑ́q]; Kyrgyz: түндүк, IPA: [tyndýk]; Turkmen: tüýnük) is itself emblematic in many Central Asian cultures. In old Kazakh communities, the yurt itself would often be repaired and rebuilt, but the shangrak would remain intact, passed from father to son upon the father's death. A family's length of heritage could be measured by the accumulation of stains on the shangrak from decades of smoke passing through it. A stylized version of the crown is in the center of the coat of arms of Kazakhstan, and forms the main image on the flag of Kyrgyzstan.

Today the yurt is seen as a nationalistic symbol among many Central Asian groups, and as such, yurts may be used as cafés (especially those specialising in traditional food), museums (especially relating to national culture), and souvenir shops.

Just because the shangrak spoken of here is Asian tradition. Doesn't mean Egyptians could not have had a similar tradition. And could be why it was held in such high regards to be buried with its owner.

Hi! It doesn't look like a bowel to me, it looks like a machine part or a boat propeller. Anyone seen those helecopter, plane, submarine heiroglyphs? This could have been part of the submarine, or part of the pyramid pump machine? Far out there ideas I know. It just looks like a boat propeller.

reply to post by frugal

Hello Frugal
No it does'nt look like a bowel to me either, I don't think I wish to look at a bowel, your not going to post any photos are you? Frugal I'm just having a joke at your expense, I use the preview button before I reply because my spelling is crap.

reply to post by JBA2848


hello JBA
It's a bit hard to see the shangrak in the photo from 100mts away. It does not look like the tri-lobe bowl, The tri-lobe bowl does not look like the Kazakh coat of arms, the tri-lobe bowl does not look like the Karqyz? flag. Please look at my photo on page 3 to answer your question. Hanslune has provided all the links one page 1, have you checked these out? Is it easier to wikimedia than look at page 1 or page3? JBA the shangrak is made from timber and I bet it's not the same shape as the tri-lobe bowl, your photos don't show any detail......What can I say except thank you for your reply.

i wonder how that shape reacts to sound. has anyone ever tried to use harmonics through a similar shape?

reply to post by tri-lobe-1


From what I understand of the disc is that it's sole purpose is to generate a vortex, it's an impeller as such. Have you done any more experiments with it, like an air flow test?

Do you have any videos of it in operation?

reply to post by reddpill

Hello Redpill....
I have not played with the disc for along time...to take it to the next level i need to make a suitable housing with an inlet and outlet then one would have a good starting point for measurements.....

I don't have any video of it....that side of the subect was never important to me .....

I'm sorry that i can't be of much help for you at the present time....maybe the housing would be a good project for this spring....I do hate having half finnished jobs laying around the shed.....

tri-lobe

Originally posted by reddpill
reply to post by tri-lobe-1

 

From what I understand of the disc is that it's sole purpose is to generate a vortex, it's an impeller as such. Have you done any more experiments with it, like an air flow test?

Do you have any videos of it in operation?

Would like to see how it tunnels through sand.

The pull downward, could be quite powerful. Just thinking out loud here.

Excellent thread, and responses

reply to post by tri-lobe-1

I have not played with the disc for along time...to take it to the next level i need to make a suitable housing with an inlet and outlet then one would have a good starting point for measurements.....

Forget the housing...

From what I understand of the 'device' it's not an 'impeller' where it needs to drive something based on our mechanical understanding. It's to generate the movement of the dielectric medium (air) around it when spinning and is a 'tuned' device.

When spinning this will naturally create a vortex. Now there is two things which will happen.

1) Depending on the revolutions (RPM) it will create sound i.e resonant frequencies (Hz).

2) Additional '-' ions will be created because of the way implosion works.

Now there is also a clue in this video which may help explain it or part of it's intended purpose.



I think you might want to be thinking about getting it back out of that shed alot earlier than spring

What about something a little more simple. It could have been used for a hobby or a luxury, in that region or for that time.

I was thinking maybe a birdbath.

This was a weathy person so they could have been a bird lover.

This item and shape is unique. So if it was used for some industrial purpose it would have been found more right.

He could have loved his birds and wanted to bring them with him in the after life.

It could be. The rims of the ring would be a nice perch for the birds. It looked portable so he could take it anywhere with the right post and a little water.

The flaps could have been other resting areas or just for looks.

The bowl shape would indeed fit enough water for birds to soak in.

Also it was intended the post could have made a nice little cup to add a little seed to attract even more birds.

We do it today why not then?

By the end of this thread we could probably come up with 100 things it could have been used for. Unfortunately if thiers nothing written about it we may never know what it was used for.

What a bummer ........................

reply to post by reddpill

Hello redpill..
I watched the vid that you provided.....interesting.....afterwards straight out to the shed...set disc up in the lathe.....300rpm.....no weird sounds
500rpm.....no weird sounds
900rpm.....no weird sounds
nothing was levitating in the shed while I was spining the disc....no weird harmonics...no good vibrations man...

tri-lobe...

reply to post by Idotwhat

Hell Idotwhat...

If you were a royal prince would you want to be buried with a birdbath????

so many people with so many ideas and opinions......but only one person was prepared to make a model, to have a go.....perhaps this is a reflection of life....

Originally posted by tri-lobe-1
reply to post by reddpill

 

interesting.....afterwards straight out to the shed...

lol. thought so.

It may not be a frequency that you can hear as to get it within hearing range of the human ear it's going to have to rotate at, or around, 20 hertz = 1,200 RPM. Now the frequency of the Earth is 7.83Hz, which is 469.799 RPM, so it'll have to be more than 900 RPM for you to start to hear anything 'note' worthy.

It has something to do with tuning the device against the object or 'matter' that your trying to move. He states in the video that it uses reflection, which refocuses the direction of the vortex back onto itself and passed onto the object you want moved.(btw, not sure which way it's meant to face either, i.e which side creates the implosion.)

Remember also that this device, if it is what it is, may only be a small version thus a small field, so it may not send your garden tools around the shed. Think more solid objects, like a stone. Maybe one that you know the frequency of and then work out the RPM, maybe within the range of your lathe.

reply to post by reddpill

Hello redpill...

I re-viewed what Harkim was saying about the disc......He said that the spinning disc was faced towards a piece of metal...[ my opinion...copper ??]

Now my model is made of fiberglass....I think to follow Harkim's opinion the disc would need to be made of copper too....that way one could have....like influencing like.....it would be a better arrangement for harmonics to occur under as well.....

Sabu's tomb is dated at 3000-3100bc.....The Gizamids dated to around 2400-2500bc......so the schist disc was buried for approximately 500yrs before work at the Giza plateau had started......

I followed the utube links and had a listen to more of what Harkim had to say about Khemet......very interesting....