Why Aliens; Fallen Angels have not overrun the earth yet - A response to Edgar Mitchell statement

reply to post by ufosd


Appreciate your reply
I respect your point of view
Both responses calls for reflection on my part..

reply to post by Amazingbabeone


Thank You,,,,for me I naturally have a bias, that being my point of reference is the bible regarding truth,,,,, here is what Jesus said

(John 18:37 KJV) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

(John 18:38 KJV) Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Then in a later moment Jesus expanded on the issue of truth

(John 14:5 KJV) Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

(John 14:6 KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

(John 14:7 KJV) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

(John 14:8 KJV) Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

(John 14:9 KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

(John 14:10 KJV) Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

(John 14:11 KJV) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

(John 14:12 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

(John 14:13 KJV) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

So here is what I have learned, this being there are TRUTHS, and then there is TRUTH,,,,, AND EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE,,,,,,I want to do right and don't want to be one who judges others wrongly,,,,,but the truth is I do because I don't always know the intent of somebodies heart.

Another being Jesus is all that represent good ,,,,,Satan and his minions represent evil , but they can some times appear as good,,,you have to have a point of reference to determine what is really true.

Nice sharing with you.
Thank you

Originally posted by ufosd
As in any debate there are always those who we quote from, so we could counter each other through eternity on that issue it come down to who do you believe ,,, on referencing men like Dawkins, creations have there experts also,,,, on the idea that they have not hurt us, don't tell that to the people who have been abducted, you will find many of them do not approve of the process, we also have lost many Pilots while encountering these creatures and it was not always provoked by us,,,,

I'm not saying aliens have never hurt a human being provoked or unprovoked. But Mitchell's logic that had the aliens been overtly hostile, we wouldn't be here anymore, makes a lot more sense than quoting the bible.

You can believe in creationism, although I've yet to see any creationist experts with Dawkins credentials. I only mentioned it because you asserted that "most scientists are amazed at how much science proves intelligent design". That is nonsense and demonstrably false. The overwhelming majority of scientists accept evolution, not intelligent design.

reply to post by Schaden




it is not known how many scientists believe in intelligent design because those that do come out are black listed. I know of stories of scientists losing jobs and unable to get jobs just because they believed in intelligent design. so in theory you can't make a statement like that without thinking about the consequences these scientists take when coming out with intelligent design. I know a lot of doctors that see miracles everyday in the ER and can say without a doubt that a God exists, there are impossible things that happen all the time in hospitals.

Keeper

Seems we have a difference of opinion,,,, for me God has more credentials then any scientist, so for the sake of respecting your right to choose what you want or who you want to believe I will let you have the last word, for me this is a spiritual battle for the souls of men, biblical text makes it very clear,,, God has been protecting mankind from Satan's all out assault and attacks since the beginning of time, when the time of tribulation starts the bible makes it clear Satan will have control over the world and world governments plus a perverted world religion, something resembling New Age yet as radical as fundamentalist types who will kill you if you do not submit to their way of thinking.
The terms are already in place you will reconize one of them as ,,,,,the New World Order, plus all that interlocks into that concept.
Nice chatting with you.

Marty D

Ok, so I am supposed to trust myself? To me this is absurd. I know the mistakes I make. I know the times that trusting myself has gotten me into great trouble.

This is not about trusting yourself as a human, a physical being. This is about trusting YOUrself, a spiritual entity. You can trust your higher power, God, or whatever. If you depend on your physical abilities, intelligence, or any physical abilities, then yes you are bound to make mistakes or misunderstanding. One example is your intuition. It is not physical.

Knowing you, deaf alien, I think I can say I am not alone in this. In fact, I do not know one person that I would say I trust to make the right decisions every time. It does not make sense to even assert that God is in us. That would mean that those people in history that did horrible things would have just as much "god" as us. Therefore, who are we to say that Hitler killing millions of people was wrong. I mean, he had god in him, right?

No, Hitler and the other people had RELIGIONS. Religion is the reason for wars and killing and all the suffering. Hitler and religious people had faiths and beliefs OUTSIDE of themselves. Religious laws are immutable so therefore people who rely on them cannot change.

For example, muslims have quran that explicit states that all christians are heathens and should be killed. That cannot be changed in muslims' eyes. If one of them were to stop and think and follow intuition in himself and say, hey wait a minute, all people, no matter what religion they believe, are same and all are spiritual beings, then perhaps this law is wrong. He goes on to investigate and come to the conclusion that that law is wrong.

Religions are one of the reasons for suffering and wars and closed mind.

As I said in my earlier post, we all look for something more than ourselves.

Yes, and that is in ourselves.

And I think that if you use the words of Jesus, you may want to get them in context. Would you send the reference where Jesus said this, so maybe we can get the whole idea. I tried looking it up myself, but I could not find it.

Luke 17:20-21 (New International Version)

20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation,
21 nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

As for NDE experiences. I think these are really interesting, but prove nothing.

Millions of NDE experiencers having remarkable similarities even among children proves nothing? This is like saying that people's experiences of seeing the great pyramid of Giza prove nothing. They will all tell you how incredible the experience of seeing the pyramids is.

I have had a lot of experiences that proved to mean nothing. I have long ago learned that experience can be altered by my own emotions, or even changed in my own memory. I have heard many NDE myself.

If it is just you, then yeah that proves to me nothing or at least you have experience something for yourself.
If it was just one person experiencing NDE, then that is not sufficient proof.
If you have 1000 people experiencing NDE with remarkable similarities, then yes there's something to it.

I know of good ones and bad ones. There are books written that tell of going to hell (no not because they were religious before they had NDE).

Actually, some atheists and non-religious people have experienced "hell" as well as "heaven"

So if you are going to take some NDE testimonies, then you have to take them all, and they are contradictory.

Contradictory how? Sure there are some varieties, but there are common themes. They even have a list.

So, maybe we should use something else to prove our points. I do take those that have more than NDE...rather, those who actually completely die, and do not come back(as they are dying), as more notable than these.

Some people have been clinically dead. There are cases where people have been dead for several days, brain dead, and even been toe-tagged and been left in the morgue.

Another proof is when NDE experiencers come back, they describe things in the emergency room and outside in DETAILS. That is not possible if you are physically on the table with all the doctors trying to save you. Doctors are always astonished when the person describe the tools and procedure to them in detail.

Deaf Alien

[edit on 2-8-2008 by Deaf Alien]

reply to post by CleverPig


there are cosmic laws...

there will be major things going on in our near future...try to feel from your soul what is true or not..

the government may do a fake invasion(project blue beam) or the annunaki may come back and be hailed as saviors when in actuallity they are not..(unless they are of the light now,i dont know)



to sum it up...the bad guys are the greys & reptilians..unless things have changed without humans knowing...


we shall see

Forgive me. I just had to ask. Incarnated said "The Devil, Satan and the whole evil lot don't believe in God the father."
I found that idea fascinating. Satan and his demons as atheist. Cool. So what do they believe? Evolution? Is Satan trying to steal souls from Darwin? Do they think they are in hell because the lease ran out on heaven and they were forced to move?
I've got to hand it to you. You stumped me with that one. Satan as a non-believer. I admit I just cannot get my head around that idea but I think you've got the makings of a great novel there.

Originally posted by Schaden

Originally posted by ufosd


I'm not saying aliens have never hurt a human being provoked or unprovoked. But Mitchell's logic that had the aliens been overtly hostile, we wouldn't be here anymore, makes a lot more sense than quoting the bible.

ufosd replies

This is what Dr Mitchell said:
Mitchell says that the aliens mean no harm and are not hostile to man's interests.

"If they were, we'd be gone by now," Dr Mitchell said. "Our technology is not nearly as sophisticated".

The Apostle Peter had a different view on aliens (Fallen Angels )
(1 Pet 5:8 NIV) Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

(1 Pet 5:9 NIV) Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

When you look at all the suffering that has transpired on this planet throughout history you have to ask yourself,,,,, why?,,, Scripture reveals the why and also the remedy, the message of the bible is primarily a message of Love, but it also reveals , the nature of Satan and the Fallen Nature of man,,,,Satan has exploited that fallen nature, but scripture shows us a way out, it reveals our true enemy and our true (friend being Jesus Christ ).
The problem is while Edgar Mitchell has many accomplishments he is limited by his fallen nature to understand the larger program that is involved in this spiritual warfare we find ourselves in .

If it was not for the intervening of our creator we would be toast, the lake of fire God has designed for Satan would end up consuming all of us if God were not merciful to man.

(Rev 20:10 NIV) And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

(Rev 20:11 NIV) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

(Rev 20:12 NIV) And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

(Rev 20:13 NIV) The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

(Rev 20:14 NIV) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

(Rev 20:15 NIV) If any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

(Rev 21:1 NIV) Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Here is why I call Jesus a friend

(John 3:16 NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

(John 3:17 NIV) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

(John 3:18 NIV) Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

(John 3:19 NIV) This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

(John 3:20 NIV) Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

(John 3:21 NIV) But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

So this is why I believe Edgar does not represent the full picture.

Thanks again for sharing.

reply to post by CleverPig


This is so right on,,,,this man has a good biblical understanding of the complete warfare that is taking place on earth and in the heavens,,,,this is why men need to arm themselves with the revelation that God gave us through the Prophets and Apostles concerning all of this enigma of life's journey, the scripture's state that God's word is a lamp unto my feet.

(Psa 119:105 KJV) Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.


Thanks Lynn great Job.

Lynn Marzullireply to

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Lets see if this link to Lynn Marzulli's video will work on this post.

Originally posted by Skipper1975
reply to post by CleverPig

 

there are cosmic laws...

there will be major things going on in our near future...try to feel from your soul what is true or not..

the government may do a fake invasion(project blue beam) or the annunaki may come back and be hailed as saviors when in actuality they are not..(unless they are of the light now,i dont know)



to sum it up...the bad guys are the greys & reptilians..unless things have changed without humans knowing...


we shall see

There is definitely a war in heaven taking place at this moment,,,
This may be why we are seeing all of the downed UFOs,,,,,They are not crashing , but are the result of warfare between the Godly and ungodly angels,,,,

PDI Radio

Originally posted by ufosd
reply to post by Incarnated

 

Incarnated,,,,, is a prime example of the New Age miss use of scripture, this is what Satanic powers have always done ,,,use scripture wrongly or in a perverted fashion, Satan tried that on Jesus Christ in the wilderness temptations and FAILED mixing Karmic new age views is what reveals the delusion of this prophet of lies.
ufosd

Truth is more than what's in the Bible. Revelation didn't end when the book of Revelation was written. The Spirit of truth continues to guide us according to our level of wnderstanding and merit. What's more, the words of Jesus are not understood clearly. He made it that way in order to confound the arrogant or spiritually dense.

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Originally posted by Matrix1111

Originally posted by ufosd
reply to post by Incarnated

 

Incarnated,,,,, is a prime example of the New Age miss use of scripture, this is what Satanic powers have always done ,,,use scripture wrongly or in a perverted fashion, Satan tried that on Jesus Christ in the wilderness temptations and FAILED mixing Karmic new age views is what reveals the delusion of this prophet of lies.
ufosd

Truth is more than what's in the Bible. Revelation didn't end when the book of Revelation was written. The Spirit of truth continues to guide us according to our level of wnderstanding and merit. What's more, the words of Jesus are not understood clearly. He made it that way in order to confound the arrogant or spiritually dense.

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."



Truth is more than what's in the Bible. Revelation didn't end when the book of Revelation was written.

What seems odd to me, is scripture says don't add to it or take away from it ,,,,lest a bad thing come on you.

(Rev 22:18 KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

(Rev 22:19 KJV) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deaf Alien,

Thanks for the comments. I will try to comment on everything you said, but I am not going to paste everything as it gets so long.

As for trusting yourself, I have seen intuition to be wrong. You say you can trust your higher power, but you end up with yourself. How do you know what is the higher power and what is you? How do you know when intuition is really your emotions or feelings, and when it is your actual spiritual self. And what if my intuition tells me to do something that is morally wrong. Oh wait, there is that question of what is morally wrong and right. If i am god in myself, what I say goes. This belief is a dangerous view.

As for religion, I will say you are right. Many people do horrible things in the name of religion. However, you told me just a few weeks ago that Jesus did not come to set up a religion. And (better take notice of this next statement, as I don't say it often) YOU ARE RIGHT. Jesus despised the religious attitudes of the times. Jesus came to deliver us from religion.

You see, religion is about me. About what I do, what I look like, how people perceive me, etc. Jesus came to bring us salvation from religion. He came to show us who we really are. He came to show us who God is. He showed us that we are nothing when compared to God. As Isaiah found out, " Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts." Jesus is not about religion. Jesus is about a relationship. I am a follower of Jesus, so by your own logic, I am not religious.

As for the reference to the Kingdom of God being within us. I looked up the reference, and in some versions, it is interpreted just as you said. However, when you look up the Greek word, a more accurate translation would be "among". (Feel free to look that up) Using that word, "The Kingdom of God is among you" is in agreement with everything else Jesus had said. After all, he is the Kingdom of God, and he was sitting among them.

As for NDE's, go ahead and make that argument if you want, but if you go there, you are going to have to go all the way. What about the man who woke up in the morgue screaming about being in hell, and begging someone to help him. What about those that as they were dying were screaming for someone to get them out of the flames. The ones you want to look at are the ones that support your view. There maybe 1000's of ones that support your view, but there are 1000's that don't. I have heard of people seeing what went on in the operating room too. I have lived through some things myself in fact. However, the truth is, we look at NDE's according to what we believe. Death is an unknown of sorts. And if Satan can fool a few by a good NDE, hey he will.

Ok, well, there is the beginning anyway. I am going to stop here. Hope I made it clear.

I'm surprised to come back and see how big this thread got . Didn't think it would be that hot of a topic

reply to post by Marty D

As for NDE's, go ahead and make that argument if you want, but if you go there, you are going to have to go all the way. What about the man who woke up in the morgue screaming about being in hell, and begging someone to help him. What about those that as they were dying were screaming for someone to get them out of the flames. The ones you want to look at are the ones that support your view. There maybe 1000's of ones that support your view, but there are 1000's that don't.

I thought I went all the way? I specifically said that there are some who have experienced "hell" after being clinically dead. They have listed ALL kinds of experiences.

In some cases where people have experienced "hell", they have asked for help while in there. They called out to anybody that would help them while in there. Some called out to Jesus. When they did, they got out of there quickly and went to a better place.

Sorry, but it does support my view.

However, the truth is, we look at NDE's according to what we believe.

The weird part is that children, who have not yet learned about the world and religion experienced the same thing on the list. Belief may "color" what you have experienced.

Satan using NDE experiences as one of his tools? Hardly. That would divide his kingdom. Many people came out christians.

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I will respond to the other parts later. I am tired right now.

Many people here in various threads have made strong arguments for "fallen angels" being extraterrestrials. I will try to keep in topic. I think I have done my best to present that case.

reply to post by Incarnated

Ah, my ignorant friend! You should study the word of God more closely, as you have been shown lacking in wisdom. If you would see by reading the letter of the apostle James at 2:19: "You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder." If the demons believe, surely their master believes too, does he not? Satan wants the one thing he could never have had in heaven... worship. Jesus has done the one thing no one else has ever done before. That is, directed pure worship back to the only true, deserving, Almighty God (See John 17:3). Everything Jesus ever taught he said came from his Father (read John 7:16,17; 14:10) Anyone teaching that Jesus Christ is the same as Almighty God has fallen for the wiles of Satan, the Devil (see 1 John 4:1-5) Don't be fooled by every wind of deception that comes forth, test the inspired utterances to see if it aligns with the Truth! (Acts 20: 29,30)

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by Marty D

 

I thought I went all the way? I specifically said that there are some who have experienced "hell" after being clinically dead. They have listed ALL kinds of experiences.

In some cases where people have experienced "hell", they have asked for help while in there. They called out to anybody that would help them while in there. Some called out to Jesus. When they did, they got out of there quickly and went to a better place.

Sorry, but it does support my view.

I would like to remind you of the quote you made a few posts ago. Here it is
People who experienced NDE ALWAYS remarked on tremendous love they felt. Those people are from wide variety of backgrounds and beliefs.

The weird part is that children, who have not yet learned about the world and religion experienced the same thing on the list. Belief may "color" what you have experienced.

I was not saying that it colors the people that have them, but colors our impression...which ones we want to talk about and such.

Satan using NDE experiences as one of his tools? Hardly. That would divide his kingdom. Many people came out christians.

I don't think it is always Satan, but I do think he does use them sometimes.
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Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by CleverPig

 

good video and i believe he is right on the money with his thinking. the theory of aliens being fallen angels and demons makes the most sense when you examine the evidence that has been reported.

there is an obvious agenda to discredit Jesus and to dilute the original bloodline created by God.

the story of how they need to create these hybrids to save their dying race is imo BS and is a cover to thwart God's original plan. the great deception is occouring as we speak.

The fallen angels and demons have no power over us.
Angels in heaven do battle for us in the spiritual realm.
The Grays know about the evil spirits and do not fear them.
Truth be told......knowledge is power.
Seek the truth and you too can be fearless.
Gain knowledge and experience.
Create a harmony between your spirit, mind and body to
give yourself balance and confidence.
Use your power of free will wisely.