Why Aliens; Fallen Angels have not overrun the earth yet - A response to Edgar Mitchell statement

Just theorys.

So this means that all the gods are aliens, and are the leaders of there respected race?

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While I realize I myself have used extra- biblical points of reference, this one troubles me, that said I believe the book of Enoch has a valid and valuable point of history , however it troubles me to hear the way this mixed gnostic material is laid along side of biblical exposition, in short I reject the implications that are presented, so my view on this is,,, be extremely carefully of accepting this as a valid view concerning heavenly and earthly issues, for me I'll let the word state my position,,,,First God does not and cannot lie, the scripture says let God be true and every man a liar and secondly and lastly on this post , the following.

2 Timothy 3:1-17 (KJV)
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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This is a good view that show Christians have a good understanding of what UFO history really says.

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Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by MREALE

 

Religious people must have this "high" while worshipping their gods. Otherwise, we wouldn't have that many religious people.

In regards to Dr. Mitchell statement, it is not entirely accurate. The are benevolent aliens as well as there are malevolent aliens, just like humans.

Hey deaf alien, Guess who...

Sorry I am just now getting around to posting this, but I did want to say that there is a reason why we have all the religious people. Because we all search for something outside of ourselves. Somehow we know in our heart of hearts there is more than just this life. We have an inborn desire to know the God of the universe. Seeing as we are made by Him and for Him, it is no surprise.

This very site is proof that we search for something outside of ourselves. That is why Satan is hard at work. For every truth, he has a counterfeit.

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Because we all search for something outside of ourselves. Somehow we know in our heart of hearts there is more than just this life. We have an inborn desire to know the God of the universe. Seeing as we are made by Him and for Him, it is no surprise.

This very site is proof that we search for something outside of ourselves. That is why Satan is hard at work. For every truth, he has a counterfeit.

Great Thought Marty

Originally posted by Marty D

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by MREALE

 

Because we all search for something outside of ourselves. Somehow we know in our heart of hearts there is more than just this life. We have an inborn desire to know the God of the universe. Seeing as we are made by Him and for Him, it is no surprise.

This very site is proof that we search for something outside of ourselves. That is why Satan is hard at work. For every truth, he has a counterfeit.

Thanks for the reply.

Good point. Yes you are right.

The key words are Satan and counterfeit. Who are satan and fallen angels really? And how do you know if a religion is true or just counterfeit?

Christianity may just be a counterfeit. Maybe all religions are counterfeits?

Christianity may just be a counterfeit. Maybe all religions are counterfeits?

So were does that leave you ? how will you ever know ? Does this mean you are going to die and be food for aliens, or are you going to keep avoiding the obvious,,,,what do the other life forms offer? can they be trusted?,,,why is the message of the gospel so unattractive? the message is a message of love,,,,what will it take to prove God Loves you, here is what awaits those who doubt his love.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 (KJV)
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Originally posted by ufosd


Christianity may just be a counterfeit. Maybe all religions are counterfeits?

So were does that leave you ? how will you ever know ? Does this mean you are going to die and be food for aliens, or are you going to keep avoiding the obvious,,,,what do the other life forms offer? can they be trusted?,,,why is the message of the gospel so unattractive? the message is a message of love,,,,what will it take to prove God Loves you, here is what awaits those who doubt his love.


No, not believing in any religion is not equal to not believing in higher power, god, supreme being, whatever you want to call it.

Whatever happened to trusting yourself? What if God is within you, not in any religion? After all, Jesus said that the kingdom is within you. What if religions were designed to turn your attention away from you and God within you?

People who experienced NDE ALWAYS remarked on tremendous love they felt. Those people are from wide variety of backgrounds and beliefs.

Whatever happened to trusting yourself? What if God is within you, not in any religion? After all, Jesus said that the kingdom is within you. What if religions were designed to turn your attention away from you and God within you?

People who experienced NDE ALWAYS remarked on tremendous love they felt. Those people are from wide variety of backgrounds and beliefs.


This type of thinking is what started all of the rebellion issues between God and Satan,,,,this is new age from top to bottom, which says
I Am it is a mocking of what God said about himself
Here is what scripture says

(Jer 17:5 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

What God is looking for is a humbleness ,,,to say Lord I am sorry for exalting myself against you ,,,I Repent and accept the gift of salvation you freely give me through Jesus Christ your son,,,,and to show my faith in his finished work for me , I will do by best to do as your word instructs me, such as loving my enemies and praying for those who despitefully use me and say all manner of evil against me.

That is what it takes ,,,,a faith that work from a principle of Love

It really is a life style that brings joy, and peace which is some of our greatest needs.

Thes NDE experience may not be something we can hang our hat on, remember there are going to be all kind of devices used to deceive us, New Agers have had these experiences and they reject the message of Christ.

The Kingdom of heaven is only in those who confess Christ as Lord and Savour.
I HOPE THIS HELPS .

Originally posted by MREALE
Now I am not out to debunk anyones beliefs, but it justs ercks me when people post there religious beliefs like there somekind of fact and everone elses is wrong.

I haven't seen anything here to logically counter Dr Mitchell's argument the aliens are not hostile or we wouldn't be here. The quote in the OP, along with all the other posts by the author of the strong delusion website, rest everything on HIS interpretation of the bible. The aliens haven't killed us because the bible says God is protecting us ? That explanation takes a leap of faith. What if the aliens' bible tells them God wants them to conquer other civilizations ? Mitchell's argument is more convincing IMO.

Originally posted by ufosd

I don't know what scientist you quote from , but he in in the minority. Most Scientist are amazed at how much science proves intelligent design.

Its like saying a watched created itself

The majority of biologists do not support intelligent design. The "watchmaker analogy" is without merit. It was conceived hundreds of years ago, before humans had much scientific understanding of ethology or evolutionary processes. An entire book was written refuting it. Have you read "The Blind Watchmaker" by Dr. Richard Dawkins

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Originally posted by Schaden

Originally posted by MREALE
Now I am not out to debunk anyones beliefs, but it justs ercks me when people post there religious beliefs like there somekind of fact and everone elses is wrong.

I haven't seen anything here to logically counter Dr Mitchell's argument the aliens are not hostile or we wouldn't be here. The quote in the OP, along with all the other posts by the author of the strong delusion website, rest everything on HIS interpretation of the bible. The aliens haven't killed us because the bible says God is protecting us ? That explanation takes a leap of faith. What if the aliens' bible tells them God wants them to conquer other civilizations ? Mitchell's argument is more convincing IMO.

Originally posted by ufosd

I don't know what scientist you quote from , but he in in the minority. Most Scientist are amazed at how much science proves intelligent design.

Its like saying a watched created itself

The majority of biologists do not support intelligent design. The "watchmaker analogy" is without merit. It was conceived hundreds of years ago, before humans had much scientific understanding of ethology or evolutionary processes. An entire book was written refuting it. Have you read "The Blind Watchmaker" by Dr. Richard Dawkins

www.amazon.com...

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As in any debate there are always those who we quote from, so we could counter each other through eternity on that issue it come down to who do you believe ,,, on referencing men like Dawkins, creations have there experts also,,,, on the idea that they have not hurt us, don't tell that to the people who have been abducted, you will find many of them do not approve of the process, we also have lost many Pilots while encountering these creatures and it was not always provoked by us,,,,

the real issue is what point of reference are we going to use , are we just going to trust these guys without question, the only people I know of willing to do that is a group of people who believe God is dead.

The word of God has a statement on that issue,,,,,
(Rom 1:21 KJV) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Did ufo cause Ukraine airshow crash?

This video show's several UFOs around plane just before crash of military craft at ukraine air show watch closely it is very obvious there are UFOs in this clip.

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I do believe the UFOs who are probing and abducting are fallen angels.

Remember it said:

"As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of man, They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all (Luke 17:26-27)."

But the other "UFO" types are angels. Beings from the light of God trying to fix and help as many as they can. These ones are disabling the nuclear warheads and trying to bring peace (i.e. enlightenment to the world through change). They do not make contact with just anyone and wait until the end of days to join in on saving the ones who need to be saved.

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. There were giants [NEPHILIM] in the earth in those days; and also after that (at the time of Moses), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. (Genesis chapter 6)."

The Tsunami in Indonesia.
The massive earthquake and flooding in China.
The flooding of Katrina
The War in Iraq






"Men of Renown" With the basketball player in the first picture and now the "World's Tallest man" would still classify both as "Men of Renown"






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Originally posted by Deaf Alien

Originally posted by ufosd




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No, not believing in any religion is not equal to not believing in higher power, god, supreme being, whatever you want to call it.

Whatever happened to trusting yourself? What if God is within you, not in any religion? After all, Jesus said that the kingdom is within you. What if religions were designed to turn your attention away from you and God within you?

People who experienced NDE ALWAYS remarked on tremendous love they felt. Those people are from wide variety of backgrounds and beliefs.

Ok, so I am supposed to trust myself? To me this is absurd. I know the mistakes I make. I know the times that trusting myself has gotten me into great trouble. Knowing you, deaf alien, I think I can say I am not alone in this. In fact, I do not know one person that I would say I trust to make the right decisions every time. It does not make sense to even assert that God is in us. That would mean that those people in history that did horrible things would have just as much "god" as us. Therefore, who are we to say that Hitler killing millions of people was wrong. I mean, he had god in him, right? As I said in my earlier post, we all look for something more than ourselves.

And I think that if you use the words of Jesus, you may want to get them in context. Would you send the reference where Jesus said this, so maybe we can get the whole idea. I tried looking it up myself, but I could not find it.

As for NDE experiences. I think these are really interesting, but prove nothing. I have had a lot of experiences that proved to mean nothing. I have long ago learned that experience can be altered by my own emotions, or even changed in my own memory. I have heard many NDE myself. I know of good ones and bad ones. There are books written that tell of going to hell (no not because they were religious before they had NDE). So if you are going to take some NDE testimonies, then you have to take them all, and they are contradictory. So, maybe we should use something else to prove our points. I do take those that have more than NDE...rather, those who actually completely die, and do not come back(as they are dying), as more notable than these. However, I am not going to stake claim in any of these. I will not use them to prove a point. Hope that makes sense.

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Anonymous ATS.

I've been reading a lot of your replies on various threads - you seem to know a lot about all of this stuff
I'm still new to this world - particularly on the subject of UFOs.
I've had two different wired experiences in the last 3 month and now the subject really court my attention - I wanna learn so much more
When I read this reply some questions popped up..

Aren't we suppose to learn as long as we're alive??

What's the truth?? And how do you know??

Depends on who you're asking - doesn't it

Originally posted by Amazingbabeone
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What's the truth?? And how do you know??

Depends on who you're asking - doesn't it

I know you were not responding to me, but this question jumped out at me. Hope you don't mind me throwing in my 2 cents. (and honestly, that is more than it is worth probably)


The definition of truth is: "ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience". If there is truth, which there has to be, it has to be the same for everyone. I may believe that truth is this and you may believe something that is different. Does not matter. Truth is truth, period. So no, it does not depend on who you are asking. Only opinions depend on who you are asking.

I believe you can know Truth..if you search for it honestly. But that is for another poest.

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The bottom line is yes , we will be learning until we die,,,,,and yes our point of reference to judge this material through is the most important issue to establish first, for me the Bible is the source that gives the most light on all of life's issues, it actually addresses everything pertaining to life and death,

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I don't mind at all
Guess I wouldn't be here if I wasn't honestly searching for the truth - why bother then..
That one way of looking at it
Thanx for enlighten me with this explanation Now I've got even more questions