Why Aliens; Fallen Angels have not overrun the earth yet - A response to Edgar Mitchell statement

Here is a link that shows what channeled messages from ET's and New Agers state about Jesus,,,,hope this helps,,,some of the others are links under Billy Meir Phoenix Journals,,,,,,,,,,"ect"

www.spotlightministries.org.uk...

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Here is another post that shows how new age channeled messages deny Jesus Christ, this makes it obvious how the UFO related material leads people away from the teachings of scripture.

thestrongdelusion.com...

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Deny Jesus Christ how? It is not clear. There are many different new age organizations, all differing on who Jesus Christ was and is.

Like I have said, the gospel, according to the bible and christians, is so powerful. It does not matter how much deception there is.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
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Deny Jesus Christ how? It is not clear. There are many different new age organizations, all differing on who Jesus Christ was and is.

Like I have said, the gospel, according to the bible and Christians, is so powerful. It does not matter how much deception there is.

While the gospel is powerful, it shows that many will be deceived by those coming and saying they are Christ or even Christ followers, it also shows that people will pervert the gospel message, so caution is needed.
2 Timothy 3:1-7 (KJV)
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Thanks for sharing

I see we have many bible scholars out here, so I have some questions for anyone who will give me an answer. Do you believe our creator gave us free will? If so, how do you interpret free will? And for what reason would the creator give us free will?

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Originally posted by FiatLux
I see we have many bible scholars out here, so I have some questions for anyone who will give me an answer. Do you believe our creator gave us free will? If so, how do you interpret free will? And for what reason would the creator give us free will?

[edit on 28-8-2008 by FiatLux]

Here is a short statement on free will and why it was given by God,

"free will", which is the gift that allows us to choose whether to love, or hate, which if the latter is chosen could cause much suffering. Without free will, however, we could not really love voluntarily. And without voluntary love, you just become a robot who cannot possibly love. Also with free will, God chooses to limit Himself as to His power as well as to His foreknowledge of an individual's future, although He does know the over-all beneficial future of society. As I say, for example suffering is caused by our use of free will, but some suffering is also caused by creation limitations, and spiritual warfare (because you can't see this really taking place, doesn't mean it's actually not taking place). But this free will is also somewhat limited for the individual in that one's free will is greatly influenced by generation after generation of free will decisions made by their ancestors. And from looking at the world around us, one can see that many of these decisions went in the wrong direction.

Hope this answers your query.

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"Here is a short statement on free will and why it was given by God,

"free will", which is the gift that allows us to choose whether to love, or hate, which if the latter is chosen could cause much suffering. Without free will, however, we could not really love voluntarily. And without voluntary love, you just become a robot who cannot possibly love. Also with free will, God chooses to limit Himself as to His power as well as to His foreknowledge of an individual's future, although He does know the over-all beneficial future of society. As I say, for example suffering is caused by our use of free will, but some suffering is also caused by creation limitations, and spiritual warfare (because you can't see this really taking place, doesn't mean it's actually not taking place). But this free will is also somewhat limited for the individual in that one's free will is greatly influenced by generation after generation of free will decisions made by their ancestors. And from looking at the world around us, one can see that many of these decisions went in the wrong direction.

Hope this answers your query."



I do agree with you on most of the things you do say. But you may add that it was also given to us so that we can grow and evolve spiritually at our own pace as individuals. One thing I do not agree with is,
"God chooses to limit Himself as to His power as well as to His foreknowledge of an individual's future.", it`s not God that chooses to limit himself to these things, it is us through free will that makes these choices so that we can think of ourselves as individuals, seperate from God. If not, we all would be of one mind and not seperate. Also, free will is not limited, it can not be, if it was, then it would not be "free"will. Free will means to express yourself without limitation or boundaries. We have had free will for so long, we have built a wall (not intentionally though) between our physical selves and our spiritual selves. In other words, we have slowed or stopped our spiritual growth, or one may say, spiritually stagnant. We have lost touch with why we are here, and who we truly are inside, and that is, we are all here to evolve spiritually back to God, and that we are all a part of God.

This is free will at it`s best, we can both believe as we want.



[edit on 29-8-2008 by FiatLux]

This is free will at it`s best, we can both believe as we want.

We have agreement to this point,,,, the issue of free will has limits from Gods Perspective, He gives us space to conform to his desires, if we are left to ourselves we will and have set ourselves up as little gods, that was never his intention.

With all of his biblical communication the message leads us to the point where we use our free will to be obedient or disobedient,,,,so free will is not as open to doing our own thing as some would interpret it to be.

The bottom line is he gives us free will to choose life or death, heaven or hell,,,,,that message is very clear in biblical text,,,,so if we are wise,,, we will use our gift of free will to choose life,,,in other words we are given the gift of life to see which we will choose.

Satan himself used his free will to challenge God, and because of his decision and his influence on mankind to rebel and do the same,,, death and judgement was brought forth to put an end to the misuse of free will.
Thanks again

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So if I`m to believe you, then God only gave us limited will, and not free will to grow as we will. That is like saying, we have Limitation of Speech, and not Freedom of Speech. You can`t place a limit on what is free, oh you can, then it is no longer free then, not with limits on it. When you start putting limits on ones free will, then it is not free anymore. Hence, here is what the dictionary says of the word free.


1 a: having the legal and political rights of a citizen b: enjoying civil and political liberty c: enjoying political independence or freedom from outside domination d: enjoying personal freedom : not subject to the control or domination of another
2 a: not determined by anything beyond its own nature or being : choosing or capable of choosing for itself b: determined by the choice of the actor or performer c: made, done, or given voluntarily or spontaneously
3 a: relieved from or lacking something and especially something unpleasant or burdensome —often used in combination b: not bound, confined, or detained by force
4 a: having no trade restrictions b: not subject to government regulation cof foreign exchange : not subject to restriction or official control
5 a: having no obligations (as to work) or commitments b: not taken up with commitments or obligations
6: having a scope not restricted by qualification
7 a: not obstructed, restricted, or impeded b: not being used or occupied c: not hampered or restricted in its normal operation


This is from Websters Dictionary. Please understand what free means. Not subject to the control, or domination of another.

"Why Aliens; Fallen Angels have not overrun the earth yet - A response to Edgar Mitchell statement"

i don't understand how this thread has reached 10 pages over 1 month on the ufo board..was it moved here erroneously yesterday?

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Nope, I started it about a month ago

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So if I`m to believe you, then God only gave us limited will

"Yes"

I knew you would not like that, but being God,,,, he sets the rules, Satan and man can challenge it if they choose, but in the end God calls the shots

So it is your call use your free will gift for life or death,,,

John 3:16-21 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Scripture tells us he that the son of man( Jesus Christ) sets free is free in deed.

The love of Christ sets us free from rebellion and helps us avoid the trap of the delusion of everyone doing what is right in his own eyes, if we surrender our free will back to following his will,,, then we will have eternal life.
Please
use your free will wisely.

Thanks again

Nope, I started it about a month ago

what's the joke..it's not a knock knock is it?

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No joke !!! Its been a pretty good discussion for over a month !! Your more than welcome to join us !!

i'll take your word for it.gl with wherever you're goin with this stuff

this is still ats right?

no offence to anyone involved in this thread though i can see how some may be taken..

whatever

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its unfortunate that god couldnt "restrain" the holocaust.

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Do you even understand how that contradicts itself? It can`t be both ways, you say in one sentence yes, it`s limited, then you turn around and say in the next sentence that it`s free will. It`s not logical at all.

And no, I`m not upset in the least. If you want, we can discuss this using U2U.

Originally posted by FiatLux
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Do you even understand how that contradicts itself? It can`t be both ways, you say in one sentence yes, it`s limited, then you turn around and say in the next sentence that it`s free will. It`s not logical at all.

And no, I`m not upset in the least. If you want, we can discuss this using U2U.

Actually it is very logical, even using human reasoning you do not really have free will today in a so called free society,,,, if you murder someone and get caught,,, your choose of doing what you want has consequences, you will go to jail or the electric chair when caught,,,if you speed in a school zone
you may do it freely, but if you get caught you will pay a fine,,,,,the same logic works with God,,,,He says it is appointed unto man once to die and after that he will stand judgement,,,,God has rules too,,,, spiritual rules, one being you shall have no other gods before me and another one stating that a man must be born again ( that being spiritually through Christ ).
He says in another place that ALL liars will have their part in the lake of fire, so no one in his right mind would choose such a place

So this is what I mean when I say you have a free will whether to obey God and Live or follow the party line of Satan and die.

I am not familiar with all of the features on this site, so if you do not mind I would rather keep our exchange in this format,

Thanks again for sharing respectfully.

At the top of these pages there is a tool bar, where it says profile, members and memcenter, if I send a U2U message to you, it will show up in the bar. Just click on it and it will show you a message in your inbox, just click the message and read it, that`s all there is to it. We need to stop highjacking this topic, that`s why I asked you if you want to discuss this anymore, we can U2U from now on. It`s up to you, I`m game.

Originally posted by FiatLux
At the top of these pages there is a tool bar, where it says profile, members and memcenter, if I send a U2U message to you, it will show up in the bar. Just click on it and it will show you a message in your inbox, just click the message and read it, that`s all there is to it. We need to stop highjacking this topic, that`s why I asked you if you want to discuss this anymore, we can U2U from now on. It`s up to you, I`m game.

The wife and I are about to do our Friday running,,,,,so perhaps later tonight or maybe we can choose another day and time,,,thanks again
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