Celebrity Stargazing

Maybe during this area it has been easier to believe in something beyond belief as they didn`t live in a high-tech world like ours today?
In our days everthing can be examined by fantastic means which sometimes cut off fantasy and imagination. The unknown - something many people try to disentchant by using technology.
And on the other hand it`s this technoloy in particular which allows us to see and to believe. You know what I mean?

sorry post was done twice
I had to edit it.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by darlin]

Orange Light...I hear you. I wonder if creativity and spirituality go hand in hand here. I've often thought that. And maybe musicians and other celebrities are more likely to get some kind of contact because of how high profile they are, not just because they are more sensitive to spiritual or paranormal behaviour, or UFO phenomena. And I will bet they are more likely to have real clear contact if they are willing to be outspoken about it. If they can be influential in changing the collective consciousness of the human race for the good, don't you think that extra terrestrials *would* choose them? Don't pick the second violinist of the Andorra Chamber Orchestra (although I'm sure he's very sweet)...pick the cute guy with the big voice and the nerve to use it, and give him something the HAS to talk about.

The more celebs speak out, the less "fruitcakey" the UFO thing will sound....say something, anything, long enough and loud enough and it will be accepted as truth, regardless of reality. But then...which reality...that always confuses me....*grin!* I suspect that high profile encounters are no accident, but are planned...it would be interesting to estimate how many celebs as a percentage have had encounters compared to the bod in the street.

But then....define celebrity...and measure it! Oh dear God, it's been a long week and all my filters are off....


Cait





[edit on 8-8-2008 by caitlinfae]

reply to post by orange-light


My partner is an artist, musician and writer, and totally off the wall with it in many respects with regard to his personality, behaviour, ideas and general way of being. Knowing him as I do, and having met a number of other people whose talents lay in these areas, I'd have to agree that highly creative types really do experience a dimension of reality that less creative types perhaps do not. His is an energy that has challenged me in many ways for sure, as he is just so different to most other people ! It's been a real learning curve for sure...

I can't speak for all creative types, but certainly in Sean's case he seems to have a portal or door open in his mind where the stangest, weirdest energy seeps through. I have considered sometimes that in certain respects and at certain times he is rather mad , he seems to live sometimes in the chaos enegy of the purest form, yet this chaos energy sees him produce works of Art, music and writing...he has the most tremendous, unbounded imagination. I just have to give him a wide birth when I can as the creative energy is very powerful , raw stuff especially when combined with dynamic personality.

I think when you live a very creative life, when you are a naturally very creative person, you are in tune to an energy source that is primal and pure. Therefore these types are perhaps more attuned to the forces that are the foundation of the life energy itself, so experience things the rest of us may not simply because they perhaps have a natural tendency to gravitate towards a different level of consciousness than someone with less creative impulses might...and that then opens them up to experiences others may not have ?

I don't know, his chakras seem to be opened up in ways other people's just don't seem to be . There just seems to be a freedom of expression in creative types that non creative types don't possess in a similar measure...maybe this high level of openness and liberty of being connects such people to all the universe has to offer in ways others can't experience. Sean gets a lot of what he calls "future memory"...senses alot before it happens, is always experiencing synchronicities, "co-incidences"...has tremendous healing energy and is totally in touch with his inner child so is always it seems experiencing the world in this interested , expansive way.

Sorry to ramble ! Creative types just seem to be far more "open" and when you are more "open" you perceive more I guess. This may make it easier for some people to have the opportunity to see things others don't...

Hmmm, I don`t think you can tar all "creative people" with the same brush. As in the whole community there are many different minds and it takes all sorts to make a world.
I prefer individuality to generalization.

reply to post by cosmicpixie


"I can't speak for all creative types, but certainly in Sean's case he seems to have a portal or door open in his mind where the stangest, weirdest energy seeps through. I have considered sometimes that in certain respects and at certain times he is rather mad , he seems to live sometimes in the chaos enegy of the purest form, yet this chaos energy sees him produce works of Art, music and writing"



cosimic pixie hello

as a raw artist myself i can comprehend the above quote, I simply paint energy. beyond what the eye can see this happens on many different levels and when it comes it it comes in and you just gotta go with it......sometimes i think i am mad ask questions what am i doing this for but know i gotta do it and know its got to get out there its almost anchoring however i beleive that every single person on this planet has the ability to create they just have to work on it It would be interesting to have other creatives (which are all of us) thoughts and expereiences on this.................... back on celebs giving messages on ufos there are many musicians, poets, painters etc giving out messages making us question our reality on many different levels working in many different ways the song wind of change enigma seems to be getting my attention lately.....................

p.s

one or two people around me call me "cosmic Fairy" thats interesting isnt it.........

namaste

[edit on 8-8-2008 by serin sister]

reply to post by darlin



yes, I see your point. But I would nevertheless suggest that a creative mind is a more open mind and also a more inspired mind, for creativity and inspiration go hand in hand. You need to be receptive to be creative in the first place, so to be highly creative it follows that you are likely to be highly receptive, ie very "senstive" to things seen and unseen, simply because your being in general is a very open energy.

This would seem to be a common point amongst the creative types I've known myself anyway, plus the ones I've read about, so at least on that score there "seems" to be a general commanality. This still leaves plenty of room however for individuality of expression, mentality, personality and behaviour .

I wasn't trying to over generalise either, but it was just an observation. And in my half asleep dog tired again state, I remember that according to soul group theory, we choose our experiences...we choose to meet the important beings in our life, human or otherwise, we choose to talk about them, and I guess we agreed to take the flack...and the celebrity. We agree to have a job to do, if we want to take this to one if it's conclusions, to experience off planet beings and make it public...I dunno...has to be for a useful reason. Big experiences in a very public arena are not mistakes. As humans wake up to possibility, we become more accepting of superstition, when presented properly...I'm blethering again...sorry....

Cait

reply to post by serin sister


oh yes, I do see us all as creative beings, it's just that some people seem to work with that energy more than others do and when working with it "particularly" closely it seems to me as if the person is getting very close to the raw source. Although we are all of us creative, at the same time alot of that energy is repressed or restrained or ones lifestyle is such that there is not much time left over to really wallow in ones creative energy and truly action it in ways that above the "basics". They don't really work with it all that much so it doesn't blossom in the same way it can when you for example paint, draw, write, compose or dance for many hours of the week, or when for example you are someone who might be working on some new mathematical theory for months on end and the end result is some inspired genius. I guess creativity is similar to intellect in that the more you work with it, the stronger it grows.

anyway, this is really only touching the subject on the edge, it's a whole discussion in itself so I guess I will leave my thoughts there for now...

creativity= open minded?

creativity in general means intentive thinking and acting. so with creativity you create something new - whether it is just a thought or something physical.
i just think you cant limit what creativity is because even a new thought is creative. so everyone is kind of creative.
this would blur away the differences between musicans, actors, etc and ppl who are not operative in these areas.
that would mean, that an open mind is very individual.

uuhh i dont know if i could express what i mean properly...

okay, let me substitute "artistic" for "creative". I am fully aware that we are all creative and that creativity is related to ways of thinking, the actions we might take, the behaviour we evidence, the stratgies we empoy etc etc.

Artists - painters, sculptures, musicians, writers, poets, dancers , etc etc etc....have a certain talent for expression on various levels which is creative in a very intense, powerful, focused way. When this kind of artistic activity is something they do alot of the time they exercise their creativity in ways that perhaps involve tapping into a level of creativity, inspiration and self expression that not everyone does access, regardless of the fact we are all creative beings.

I watch my man paint or take out his journal to write down "information dumps" of creative thinking and I see his whole being come alive and its as if the ego disappears, the "self" is forgotten and there is a "direct line" so to speak to a force of unseen energy. It's like watching some sort of "channelling" in action if you like, where he is a conduit for something. During these inspired times there is a compulsion on his part, a need to "get it all out" or "write it all down" which can kind of take over his entire being. It energizes him and a rather odd look can come into his eyes, like he is not really quite "here".

I don't know if this makes any sense to whoever is reading it, but it just does seem to me as if highly artistic types of people have some doorway in their mind that is slightly more open than the doorways non-artistic people have. And yes, perhaps we all are artistic too but alot of us do not work fully with that energy in the way a writer, painter, musician does, so that artistic muscle is not exercised as much.

When we watch an artistic performance, immerse ourselves in the sounds of whatever music we are listening to, fall into a beautiful painting with our minds or journey with a story we are reading in a book, we connect to the energy that inspired that work in the first place. It transports us, moves us, for as long as we are connected to it. For the person who created it, perhaps the connection to that energy is stronger, longer and more consistent as they are working with it so much of the time.

Just my thoughts anyway.

Originally posted by cosmicpixie


I watch my man paint or take out his journal to write down "information dumps" of creative thinking and I see his whole being come alive and its as if the ego disappears, the "self" is forgotten and there is a "direct line" so to speak to a force of unseen energy. It's like watching some sort of "channelling" in action if you like, where he is a conduit for something. During these inspired times there is a compulsion on his part, a need to "get it all out" or "write it all down" which can kind of take over his entire being. It energizes him and a rather odd look can come into his eyes, like he is not really quite "here". ...

can only agree to this,as am myself a writer and musician
its the same for me,there are so many things upon mind sumtimes,that I need leave the "real" for a while and write it down..all... when am back from, how u say "not quite here" I see what came out and I see whether I can work with or not

we all have creativity deep inside,one can express the other maybe not,but we are all human


It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong,than to be always right by having no ideas at all.
~Edward de Bono~

bless

cbx

Originally posted by Crakeur
let me yet again remind everyone that the topic here is whether or not celebrity ufo sightings help or hurt ufology.

that is celebrity ufo sightings, not Robbie Williams' sighting and it also doesn't include Robbie's performance in 98 at some concert or what he was wearing when he was photographed with his mates at some soccer match or anything directly related to Robbie.

This thread, again, is not about Robbie Williams (no offense). He has found a place where, for the most part, he can talk to other, like minded individuals, about something he finds interesting. If you continue to bring up aspects of his "celebrity" that are totally unrelated to the topics we discuss here, odds are, he'll stop posting.

Here,here....listen up folks it would be a real shame to push RW away now especially after he has been brave enough to post here as himself!
and that goes for any celebrity who wants to post....Bravo

reply to post by darlin


sure darlin in the 50s and 60s science hasn.t been approved as much as it is today, but on the other hand it opens also a greater possibility to proof that "beliving" could be known as "knowledge" – yeah i know what you mean
but i am also very happy that technology and science can.t proof everything, that doesn.t only mean the level of ufology more the levels of spirtualism, inner truth, telepathy, paranormals … …
but nevertheless it is my honest thought that in the middle of last century people have been much more open minded than today, with no link to science and technology, just because they knew that not everything could be proofed, they took it for gruanted to trust in themselve!

reply to post by caitlinfae


great cait hope i won.t loose my trace today – i.ve got so much to much on my mind.

I wonder if creativity and spirituality go hand in hand here.

i really think so !
i wouldn.t only "reduce" this on the though celebs = creative
i really would include all creative humans – you are in a different dimension with your soul and brain, so you are very close to phenomens on different levels than the earthly one

i don.t think that extra terrestrials or even not bodily bound souls would choose only celebs for changing the collective consciousness. so the sweet 2nd violinist is as well part of the game than the guy with the big voice

the more celebs speak out cait the less filthy not ony the ufo subject will be all subject which can.t be conected to standard routine!!!
it opens a broader understand of human for the world we are living in, this world is not only planet earth!!!

which reality.

good point cait – don.t be to much confused about it
reality is always your own reality – but there are many points – collective consciousness again – where we are in agreement about our realities which forms the collective reality – the world we live in – which is also not "real" just our agreement!
yeah even the figures we measure and callculate the reality, science – are part of the agreement,
(hope i am not to much confusing!)

define celebrity...and measure it!

only my definition
celebrity: in normal terms a person who is famous due to certain talents and therefor a person with a kind of public role!
but celebrity means being a creative being who is that successful due to his creativity that he became famous

and i won.t measure it
coz you can never measure a being and his talents

reply to post by cosmicpixie


thanks for sharing the thoughts about your partner cosmicpixie
yeah creative people get experiences from other dimensions which "normal" people – i don.t want to devaluate – can.t even imagin.

i read a book recently talking about higher sensibility of certain people, also usually creative people
you really sense the feeling, emotions of other people even when you enter a crowded room
i don.t know how life is without this emphaty i can.t compare to the impressions of "normal" people
so there is also the question "what is normal?"
and maybe – coz creative person –> became due to creatiivity a celeb –> higher sensibility –> choosen by ex terr. for contact
maybe? i am sure about that!

but this will also help to open up the minds of other people so they will become aware!! and they don.t have to belive then, they will also know for sure

reply to post by darlin


this is not a generalization darlin
everybody has his own way of expressing himself his own way of getting into contact with the yet unkown
but you can detect certain patterns which are developed individually
and there is always the collective consciousness!
we are all connected!


reply to post by cosmicpixie

oh yes, I do see us all as creative beings, it's just that some people seem to work with that energy more than others do

great point
this might be considered again as a generalization
but everybody is a creative being, just some of us have learnt NOT to listen to society, just to live as the inner energy tells them to live!
and those who claim not to be creative and therefore not to be so open minded and close to the source just agree to much with which they have been taught

the truth is IN us, everybody got the truth in himself, education, societey of million lifetimes just try to make us belive that we don.t know it – they tell us lies! and most people belive them easily and therefore they agree with everything

reply to post by milabb.



yes creativity is unlimited like everthing in life!


creativity takes you out of this univers and binds you much more to the source than anything else! it is a process that never stops – and being an artist you never got a 9–5 job – but to me life is so much more intensive! so colorful, so much impressions …

reply to post by cosmicpixie


and for sure communication is not only the spoken word, everything which is created is communication, the energy behind communicates, and ex ter. might have other outer appearances than we got but they are beings with energy and souls and therefore they get in contact with the beings with the highest energy level –> creative person –> sometimes a celeb

Originally posted by chrisonabike
Ok this is not a one line post..............or maybe it is
....i ment to write.....Puppy poopoo

Puppy Poo poo....lol.... does this mean you have a new member to the family
Just out of curiosity in regards your posting on your UFO sighting did your dogs behaviour change when you were witnessing the sighting? only animals are very perceptive to anything not the normal a good indication that something was occuring at that time would be the reaction to your dogs
"Note to moderator,Sry if this isn't exactly within the realms of the original post,only the RW sightings post is still closed and I was curious due to being an animal owner and lover and very intune with their reactions in certain events"

reply to post by orange-light


Hello again, little orange light....

I wasn't suggesting that we actually measure celebrity and see if there is a correlation...although that might be an interesting exercise one day...nah, actually...

Anyway, I was trying to put myself in the position of extra terrestrials and how they might see us...imagine for a moment that they have planned their contect with us, and are looking for the right way to get the message across without creating hatred and panic and a massive overreaction on our part. If they decided to pick a witness here, wouldn't they make sure they are seen by people who wouldn't be afraid to speak out, are well enough known to be accepted by a large number of people, and who have the time to investigate? Their reasoning might be...ok, we need them earth being to see us...and it needs really good media coverage...we need to get them talking...what do we do...mass sightings? Invasion? Tesco's carpark? What? How about....him, that one...he's a little off the wall....and he's sensitive to this type of stuff too....he would see us and admit it...he would tell everyone....ok guys, line up....look, he's playing our song.....

I know chrisonabike isn't the only celebrity to have had experiences like this, but he seems like an obvious choice to me....I agree that all our experiences are equally important, of course they are, and we are all creative whether we acknowledge it or not...it's just that if there is a PR thing going on here with other intelligences...it seems to have worked...at least here.

They will always be seen by us and the people next door, but I know if I saw one...and I keep asking!...who would be interested? Not many people.

Cait

reply to post by caitlinfae


hey cait

sorry i got you wrong this morning
far to early for a saturday (what a waste of thoughts :lol

absolutly a brilliant idea by extra terrestrians
i need their pr machine
you are sure you are not their spokeswoman?

maybe they have - after choosing to communicate with earthly beings - not been very successful with the other celebs now chrisonabike is their choice - perfect

and i can see chrisonabike rolling over the floor laughing about these thoughts - have fun

reply to post by special

yeah ive got a new pup..wallee..havanese,proper little character
as regards to how the dogs behaved?
they were all down stairs in the kitchen..
everything happened up stairs....
i cant remember them barking getting fidgity etc......

Originally posted by chrisonabike
reply to post by special

 

yeah ive got a new pup..wallee..havanese,proper little character
as regards to how the dogs behaved?
they were all down stairs in the kitchen..
everything happened up stairs....
i cant remember them barking getting fidgity etc......

Ah sweet...absolutly adore pups as alot of people.... but not cleaning up poop...lol...
Its a shame you can't remember though how your dogs behaved cos they could have had a significant indication as to what you had seen....I would guarentee they would have sensed something not of this world...may not have shown by barking but they certainly would have shown some form of behaviour,be it growling,whining or cowering....as animals are very aware..
Anyway, good luck with little Wallee

[edit on 9-8-2008 by special]

Very very sweet!!!They are adorable, they make a big chaos but I adore all the pups, those of small ransom are the more casinistis but also so much affectionate... They feel everything, also what the human ear doesn't feel.They have a sixth sense and a developed super hearing...