Louisiana About to Pass Law to Teach Creationism!!

reply to post by schrodingers dog


I am quite aware of the latest research on the subject. And it's still based on belief and assumption. It is impossible for it not be, because we weren't there, and we cannot replicate abiogenesis or speciation in a lab. But that's really a dead end argument that is about as successful as trying to convince a Baptist that the man on the cross and dying god motifs are both at least 10,000 years old.

reply to post by Critical_Mass


i applaude you for high moral standards that is great that parents like you still exist and point there children into the right way.

i can relate to this scenario very much. i had parents who dont have the same beleifs as me but im very much a true beleiver of the christian faith.

the only thing i will say is what you may think is crap may not be crap to your child and forcing a beleif or opinion upon him/her may do more harm then good.

This is a very bad idea. While local school boards should have some say on what is taught in their schools, they must still conform to national standards which give the children the basic knowledge and educational requirements to help them succeed in collage. All teaching creationism would do is introduce religious based dogma that has no grounding in actual science into the classroom and mislead students, potentially stunting their academic growth.

American scientists are competing on the WORLD stage for limited research funding. Moves like this only injects academic illiteracy into a system which is supposed to prepare those children to compete on that stage.

Creationism (all forms of creationism, from all religions ancient and modern) may well have a place being taught in our school system - especially with the religious atmosphere which envelops the world and permeates our history. However, it is NOT SCIENCE, and should not be taught in the science classroom. If you want your school to teach creationism, then propose an electoral, non-bias, and secular creationism and/or religious studies class.

Oh great. They're gearing up for the next generation of fundies. Church attendance must be still going down, I reckon.
I would whole-heartedly agree to my children being taught stuff about Genesis and Christianity...in a religious education class. I have no problem with that. I think it is fundamental to a good education to know what influences there are in the world, and also their histories. I would expect Islam, Hinduism, Paganism, Zoroastrianism, Shamantics, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism etc to all have part of lesson time, and all refered to their cultures, geography and history, and impact upon the world.
Now, when it comes to science, I would really like some of those tax dollars to be spent teaching our children the fundamentals of evolution. There are so many people I talk to that really have no idea about evolutionary trees or abiogenesis, or even how it all comes together, and how this stuff was found out. My sister in law was even taught evolution by a creationist! Talk about a conflict of interest!
Of course, those pushing for creationism in schools also vote, so you get people pandying to them that have no idea about science, and very little about religion either!

reply to post by jasonjnelson

I guess you have proven yourself unworthy of debate, seeing as you can't even validate th point you want me to argue. Don't bother answering this, I PROMISE I won't read what all of these arguments eventually become.

If you want to debate, let's debate.

I openly challenge you to a one-on-one structured debate regarding the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in the public school system.

In the event that you have stopped following this thread, or perhaps have overlooked this particular post, I will u2u as well.

Should you choose to accept this challenge, I will inform one of the moderators to have it set up.

I'm looking forward to your response.

reply to post by maria_stardust


Accepted.

Yes, a one line post, sorry.

So as not to seem like a liar, I only came back here because I recieved a u2u, and wanted to publicly accept a public challenge.

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reply to post by saturnine_sweet


We have reproduced speciation in the lab. Nice try

Go Texas!
Yeah, second line!

reply to post by dave420


That is, of course, to make no mention of the numerous instances of observed speciation in nature as well.

reply to post by Lasheic


Of course! My favourite one is the London Underground mosquito. Either God knew Londoners in the early 20th century were going to pioneer an underground railway drilled using a tunnelling shield through the soft clay, and created a special kind of mosquito that can't breed with other mosquitos, then magically summoned them from his species cupboard and put them in their new home exactly at the point in time where speciation would have occured (as a test for the faithful, no doubt), or speciation happens just as we think it does. Occam's razor, and all that... :-P

me being on the path to enlightenment i have a couple things to say about this, creationism and evolutionism coexist you cant have one without the other there is a higher being it did create the thing around us i say being because you wouldnt belive me if i told you and no its not aliens, things were created but allowed room to adapt or otherwise evolve because that is the way of nature as we all know you cant stop change everything changes no matter what, you can try to stop it but youll only slow it down there is no way to prove creation until youve gone what ive gone through and i can awaken people to this but most dont like it because it is to deep for the normal mind and causes change which sorry to say most people dont liken so this is an awesome thing i one step for mankind.

reply to post by royalkingmeaux


I hope your path to enlightenment takes you past a punctuation store

That is your opinion. It is not based in anything observable about the universe. It is not the outcome of a logical progression of evidence evaluation. It is a guess.

it is not a guess have you been awakened i have not been fully awakened but i know i have a deeper connection with the world then you will probably know in this life, thats right i said this life, are you on a path to enlightenment im getting a word in my head its a "no" science cant prove everything and what it can was discovered by someone who was awakened i dont believe that the world was created six thousand or so years ago it was created long before that i laid the answer out right infront of you but you choose not to believe because it cant be proved to you unless to say i awakened you to it which believe me i can. oh and i dont care about punctuation

Heres my problem with this, school is suppose to teach our kids, i.e. Facts, science, reason, etc, etc. Evolution is science, its supported by VAST amounts of scientific data and is believed in by the smartest people on Earth. Creationism is NOT science, there is no scientifically accepted evidence for it and the highest concentration of followers are in the bottom most level of intelligence. Keep science in school and religion out. HOWEVER!!! If they are making creationism an option, like in my school, take the world religion class and your going to be taught creationism, but I don't have to take the worlds religion class if I don't want to, if they put it in like that, I have no problem

hrmmmm, I think its fine to teach creationism.... but it needs to be taught along side evolution, both sides of the argument need to be taught as well as other theories.
Evolution might be supported by a lot of people but so is creationism, and people cant really put creatioinists in a box with religious types..... I know a few people that believe in some type of creation and they are far from religious. Considering that you might argue that a lot of religious people might want creationism taught to their kids..... and just like all the athiests out there they have the same right to want their belief system taught because really thats all it comes down to: a belief system.

-fm

reply to post by Fathom


They must also teach other creation myths from allover the world. There is the hindu Mahabarata , Ancient Greek and Roman Doctrines as well as australian aboriginal creation myth/theory. And , lest us not forget western Indian beliefs as well.

If they start injecting God into schooling, they have to also teach about the flying spaghetti monster too!
Ramen to that!

I am amused when people say that "creationism" is separate from God.

It sure makes me wonder who the hell is this creator we're talking about here.

If it's some alien dudes, then they must have come from somewhere, which of course begs the question---

You get my drift.

If this creator is God, then how can science come up with any hypothesis on a supernatural being?

And what is actually the subject matter in a "creationism" class? What are the texbooks? I am serious here.