Louisiana About to Pass Law to Teach Creationism!!

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


so you think that spending money teaching in a science class creationism is money well spent in a science class?

I've stated my case.

If you are unclear of my position, reread my posts.

I won't be dragged into an endless stream of trivial, tangential questions.

[edit on 2008/6/20 by GradyPhilpott]

Creationism!! AAAHHH Head for the hills! Grab your torch and pitch forks!! Suppress any alternative views! Creationist will destroy our country! We should round them up and put them into camps. Wow... Hitler would be proud.

What in the world are you so afraid of? People with beliefs that differ from yours? Would your children be forever damaged for being taught there are other beliefs out there?

It sounds like nothing more than pure hatered of God and those that believe in Him, rather than some concern for science and public schools. Creationism can be taught without getting specific to one religion over another.


-JDR

I am amazed that things like this even reaches the level where it is being discussed publically in a civilized society. This reaching the level of being written down as law is almost too much to handle.

Oh god no (pun intended).

Look the problem is in later life this will effect any pupil wanting to be a scientist. How could they progress in serious genetic research without believing in evolution? They would be hindered as they would have to give up the idea of dominant genetic inheritence.

Creation should be left to faith schools only, private schools. As far as i'm aware the USA was a nation founded on freedom of religion. so surely if you teach creation based on the bible you then have to teach all other creation myths. From the norse to the Wiccan.

From the USa constitution

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Freedom to express religious belief, if you express one you have to be equal to the rest surely?

Two points:

1) How is this allowed when the law upholds separation of church and state?
2) How can you teach a science that cannot be measured empirically?

Unbelievable. Whilst the US takes a step backward, everybody else will be taking a step forward.

S.

At the end it will be challenges because the whole issue about the creationism pushing into school is nothing more than making religion part of the curriculum.

The next step after they get away with this is bringing the church into the school system including the preachers.

Any topic related to religion and religion teachings belong in Church grounds and their schools or in the Sunday classes.

End of topic.

reply to post by Smokersroom


Erm dont' be so sure, the UK is also considering creationism lessons. It's very sad that science is once again being held back by religion, based on nothing but a very old book.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I wounder what will happen when the children with more brain than the rest will tell their teacher/preachers to prove it.

The only thing that the teachers/preachers will do is to wave their bible and hit the kids in the head with it.

They go to get the Jesus in these heathens head. how dare them to question the bible.

Don't they know and should know that God wrote it himself.

[edit on 20-6-2008 by marg6043]

reply to post by eric52081


...so???

Did anybody teach you in high school that the universe was consisting mostly of inconsistent matter, and that, really, everything was being held together by dynamic electro-magnetic process rather than gravity? No they haven't, because today's scientific community is made with just as much sheep herders than in the most fundamentalist religions of the world, and they don't want you to believe in an open, blurry vision of the universe where there is no gravity, no constant order and where things can't be so easily quantified into strings of 0s and 1s.

Stop playing the hypocrite game and face reality... that reality is a creation of the power dynamics that govern this world (imposed by the people who are "in the know"), not some static, clear-as-glass, platonic knowledge of the universe that comes from the realm of the "truth". In other words, science is politics too, just as religion.

The problem is not about schools teaching evolutionism or creationism, it's about schools NOT teaching kids how to make their own judgment on this world and discover the right and the wrong, and the truth by themselves.


[edit on 20/6/08 by Echtelion]

Science is a religion!

If you people oppose learning about Creation in schools then you should remove Evolution too... neither could be proven right or wrong... but then one must think... how can something evolve without being created first?

"Oh my!!! our Tax money will be wasted..." Should I point out that your Tax money will be wasted 1000 times more on science then a religion... I don’t see you crying about that... and if people of that state like to see something like that in their school... who are you to say no!

If you teach 'creationism', what do you teach? This is the main problem as i see it. Are they going to teach that we have been genetically modified by Aliens or are they going to go with the theory of the bible.

Or are they only going to teach christian creationism? That seems a little unfair if you ask me, why should only christian creationism be taught? What about other creationism theories, are they going to be taught as well?

reply to post by 420prajna


Are they teaching Creationism or Intelligent Design? I think it will be interesting when the first secular humanist that is required to teach ID discusses the possibility that the planet was seeded by an intelligent alien culture as part of a 5th grade science project.

There will be enough fecal matter hitting the oscillating blade that you'll feel like wearing a hazmat suit in the front row of a Gallagher concert.

When you have a near death experience and you begin to feel the devil biting at your arse I'm sure even atheist will begin asking God for forgiveness and looking for salvation.

I learned about evolution when I was in grade school, 2nd or 3rd grade. I started learning about creationism in Sunday school when I was around 3 or 4 years old.

Children raised in solid Christian homes integrate religious doctrine from the start. Walk into any Chrisitan bookstore and you'll find a wealtlh of children's Bible story books alongside children's Bibles. It's easy to see how many of these children are indoctrinated from the start.

If parents choose to rear their children with the belief of creationism, that's fine. However, these parents do not have the right to demand that creationism be taught to other children alongside evolution in science class.

Public school rooms should not be turned into Sunday school rooms, which is where creationism ought to stay.

[edit on 6/20/2008 by maria_stardust]

it is my opinion (even though I think creationism is crap) thatit is no worse than all of the other altered history and science curriculum kids are taught these days.

Every day I have to sit down with my son after school and make sure he is being taught the facts.

Long story short, school nowadays has become a waste. It is the responsibility of the parent to make sure their kids have the facts and that they are learning things that will be useful in their future. it is also important that you are viewed as a far more charismatic and credible form of leadership than that of their schoolteachers, or they don't know who to believe.

I do not consider things they teach kids like pilgrims and indians eating turkey together on "thankskilling" to be useful at all. In fact the current school curriculum is extremely annoying.

But that's ok, I do my job, take responsibility and they are ineffective at raising a dummy at least on my child's part.

I think the best balance, strictly hypothetically, of course (at least in the world as we know it), would be to teach alternatives to the strictly materialistic, "robo sapiens" version that is the currently dominant scientific model. One could combine accounts of unexplained phenomena with research into government conspiracies, other conspiracies... Yeah, I know, dream on, HA HA!

To be clear I believe creationism and anything with so much as the vaguest whiff of religion in public schools is supreme crap.


[edit on 20-6-2008 by Lightworth]

im from australia so i dont know how your schooling system works.

but from reading previous posts.

schools are not allowed to teach religion so how are they going to teach creationism?

but on the other hand if schools were allowed to teach religion i wouldnt see no problem with teaching creationsim.

it seems very funny from where im siting . you cant teach creationism with out teaching religion bc it is religion

If this is taught in any class, it surely belongs in a philosophy and not a science class. It is nothing more than someones interpretation of facts they cannot explain, not a theory.

If they feel it must be taught, then it must be taught with no specific denomination of religeon, simply as a form of general Deism, leaving pupils to make their own minds up where they take it from there.

Originally posted by Critical_Mass
it is my opinion (even though I think creationism is crap) thatit is no worse than all of the other altered history and science curriculum kids are taught these days.

Every day I have to sit down with my son after school and make sure he is being taught the facts.

Long story short, school nowadays has become a waste. It is the responsibility of the parent to make sure their kids have the facts and that they are learning things that will be useful in their future. it is also important that you are viewed as a far more charismatic and credible form of leadership than that of their schoolteachers, or they don't know who to believe.

I do not consider things they teach kids like pilgrims and indians eating turkey together on "thankskilling" to be useful at all. In fact the current school curriculum is extremely annoying.

But that's ok, I do my job, take responsibility and they are ineffective at raising a dummy at least on my child's part.

basicly you are teaching your child facts based on your beleifs. which is totaly fine.

but if your child reached an age where he thought you were wrong and believed in creationism how would you react.

personaly i think your reasons for the school curriculum is crap.

i think if school is teaching children range of diffrent things so they can make there minds up at an oldereough age that is just fine.

i also think the role of a parent is to teach ther kids good morals and commen sence not just pushing there beleifs into their heads.

[edit on 20-6-2008 by gate13]