BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS

I don't care what dreams this guy has had, I am NOT a "hateful white man".

There is no negotiation, the terms are simple.

He pays his own way for 100% of his expenses to do this.

He may not have a cell phone, hearing aide, watch or any other communication device on him before or during the test and must submit to a "pat down" of his person and thorough examination of his belongings.

We will set the actual time the test is to take place after everyone arrives at the scene.

He may bring one witness from his group to ensure fairness. Obviously this person must be in plain sight at all time.

There will be VERY short notice to avoid anyone "setting anything up".

I pick the WIDE OPEN spot in the desert (and I mean like the salt flats where we can see for miles and miles )

I'll bring studio quality, HD camera gear, a professional camera operator and a very powerful telescope.

If he can make anything appear, that can be seen through the telescope /HD camera, that we can't identify (a white "orb" won't cut it, we can identify a white blob) I'll have the raw footage up on ATS in minutes and we'll get it analyzed as soon as we return to civilization.

I won't have the time for this until Fall but it will be cooler then anyway.

There it is... NO negotiations, NO terms other than what I've listed will be accepted.

If he is game we'll plan something in September or October.

Springer...

Originally posted by wang_ke_~

Originally posted by Freenrgy2


As far as I'm concerned, you and PY are birds of the same feather.

Except PY has a fabulous hat!

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

I think this may be the best way to proceed. Before investing any serious time or money, have some members who live near Prophet check it out and see if he can summon UFOs for them.

If he can do that, then proceed with a more exhaustive test.

Oh come on now! YOU made this challenge....you do it. Quit making this challenge the responsibility of other people now.

You want your proof, you opened the can of worms. Put your money and time where your mouth is.

Go on over to Las Vegas! Hire a film crew, set up the date and time.

You are so hell bent on this experiment and now you say this?

Give me a break!

reply to post by MrdDstrbr


Ok then, I'll say it: This field has really gone into the toilet.

reply to post by Springer


Wow! Well, thanks for saying something, so now we all know where ATS stands on this.

It should be interesting to see how this plays out then!

forgive me - i have had to skim most of the 10 pages , but what PRECICELY is the ` ATS challenge ` which PY has " accepted "

what are its conditions and what safeguards against hoaxing does it have

with all due respect - this looks more like the MrdDstrbr half baked idea than the ATS challenge

and i really think that it should be adverised as the MrdDstrbr
challenge , unless of course ATS members and staff can have reasonable imput on the conditions and mehodology of the challenge and participate as obervers / hoax busters

for example : as it is widley believed that PY is a hoaxer - aided by accomplices releasing baloons or opertaing hobby RC aircraft - then a picket line of ats members with binoculars on the highround upwind of the challenge location would be an excellent foil to the possibility of hoaxing bu this method

but as PY has alrady ` accepted ` some half baked challenge from MrdDstrbr why is ATS required at all ????????

unless PY hopes to gain leginmacy by claiming that he has sucesufully passed the " ATS challenge " ?

springer I am so glad that you replied :] more than likely PY is going to back out. but imo your reply alone was a huge step towards deny-ing ignorance on this thread. your terms were well stated.

reply to post by defcon5

Compare this older picture of PY on WND with the ones with the weather balloons, not the newer ones that are 10 years older:

So what?
Let me sum it... so if you skeptics are asked to provide an evidence to support your claim that PY is a hoaxer, you can provide NOTHING MORE than a lo-res image of someone who "looks like" the supposed hoaxer and is holding some balloons the hoaxer is also "supposed to" use?!

Man, PY has much more SUPPORTING EVIDENCE to support that he is a real deal, than you to prove your theory that he is a hoax.

SORRY.

[edit on 17/6/08 by Disney]

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Let me ask you a question: What do you care how ATS feels?
You seem to be earnestly passionate about this issue, there have been plenty of members who support you. You can now arrange you experiment without ATS. Yet you keep pushing for their official participation. So ask you again, why?

Well Prophet summoning UFOs for Springer would have a hell of a lot more impact than him summoning UFOs for me, a complete nobody with hardly any resources or credibility, don't you think??

Springer is a leader and has huge cred. That is why I want to see him meet with people like Gilliland, Salla, Prophet etc etc.

These things have WAY more impact when a leader from ATS is involved. Make sense?

If he is game we'll plan something in September or October.

Man, that's sad.... I was so excited and thinking it will take place in few days

reply to post by Disney


Some of us are a little busy building businesses, living life and have full calendars.

Springer...

Originally posted by wang_ke_~
Wow, Freenergy2, I'm so impressed! You seem to have the inside scoop on who has fuzzy visions and who does not!

That's amazing! So because you are a Born Again Christian, you have all of this wonderful knowledge??

and this is what Jesus told you personally?? Just wondering.

But could you prove it to us??

I realize that this was not targeted at me specifically, but I am going to throw my 2 cents in here anyway. There are very specific set criteria for what an Old Testament Prophet of God was, and what a false prophet is. The first, the biggest, and the main one that applies here, is that if a Prophet is ever wrong they are a false prophet and to be stoned at the gates.

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Translation from Wiki:

The penalty for false prophecy, according to the biblical context, is capital punishment (per Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
"But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."
In summary, the biblical standards for a false prophet, it is forbidden to speak in the name of a god other than Yahweh. Likewise, if a prophet makes a prophecy in the name of Yahweh that does not come to pass, that is another sign that he is not commissioned of Yahweh and that the people need not fear the false prophet.

So if PY knew his Bible half as well as he claims to, he should know that when he did not produce what he had claimed in Las Vegas he actually turned himself into a false prophet in the eyes of the actual God of the Old Testament. One of the things about Gods prophecies is that they will come to pass no matter how the wind is blowing on that day, or who showes up. God is after all Omnisciencant and would know in advance what way the wind would be blowing on that day, and if the press would show up or not. He is Omnipotenent and could change it if things were not the way they needed to be to fulfill his prophecy. If PY’s god cannot control the wind direction, or the press attendance, then he is far inferior to my God, and no one I should be following.

I am going to let your little dig on Christianity pass, and try and keep it civil, I recommend that you save your ignorance of Christian Theology for a Conspiracies in Religion Thread.

reply to post by Springer


YEAH!!!!

I love it! I KNEW you wouldn't back down!

My only question now is, have you been in contact with Prophet about this? Or should I email him again....?

Originally posted by wang_ke_~
[And once again sir, I suggest you stop attacking those whose interpretations of the Bible is different than yours.

PY is calling himself a Prophet.
You call yourself a Born Again Christian.

Each of you think you are more special in God's eye's than any of those who do not share your religious beliefs.

As far as I'm concerned, you and PY are birds of the same feather.

What? I never called myself anything. You did. And it is you, sir, that is making assumptions about my beliefs. I simply made a comparison beteeen what PY states and what the Bible states about prophets. How you can take this and insinuate that I am trying to elevate myself to some position of superiority is absurd.

You are baiting and I will not tolerate it. And I will not respond to any more of your childish accusations as these comments have NOTHING to do with the thread.

Ok MrdDstrbr, you got your wish.

I am looking forward as to whether or not Yahweh will still participate, given the rules set by Springer.

This gives him a few months to consider, but he should be able to answer right away if he intends on moving forward with this challenge or not.

What will you think if he declines this offer from Springer?

I can tell you what I think, but I don't want to get a warning for it!

STOP the OFF topic comments

now please...


Springer...

[edit on 6-17-2008 by Springer]

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Let me ask you a question: What do you care how ATS feels?
You seem to be earnestly passionate about this issue, there have been plenty of members who support you. You can now arrange you experiment without ATS. Yet you keep pushing for their official participation. So ask you again, why?

Well Prophet summoning UFOs for Springer would have a hell of a lot more impact than him summoning UFOs for me, a complete nobody with hardly any resources or credibility, don't you think??

Springer is a leader and has huge cred. That is why I want to see him meet with people like Gilliland, Salla, Prophet etc etc.

These things have WAY more impact when a leader from ATS is involved. Make sense?

If that's want you to go with. But you might want to consider that people might be slightly more impressed with the ufo than for whom it was summoned.
In any case it seems that you've got your wish, and I don't want to mess up your happy zone.
So congrats and good luck.

Ok. If PY accepts Springer's challenge, then why don't he just go ahead and use this occasion to film the landing? The ATS folks are going to be using much better equipment then PY normally has available, so this would be the perfect chance to present indisputable proof. Honestly, I doubt that PY will even show up for this challenge. He is only looking for more publicity, where he can entice more people into his hate mongering wanna be cult. For him its a numbers game much like spam. It doesn't really matter how poorly his message is laid out, expose enough people to it and someone is going to be stupid enough to believe it.

I am not a skeptic of ufos, just PY.

Also, I had a dream last night. In it there was a black man wearing a towel on his head, who was ranting nonsense. Was this a premonition?

I'll wager that Profit Yeah-Right will back down when confronted with Springer's requirements. It will be debunked before it has a chance to happen.

LOL