We Weren't Designed To Eat Meat, Here Is Proof

Ah, true. Fructose>starch. The simple monosaccharides and and disaccharides is better than the troublesome polysaccharides.

shpow,

I agree with you. I also like your previous posts on this topic. your opinion on it seems pretty accurate to me.

You've got a firm handling yourself!

Thank you =D This is truly one of my fields of interest, so I took lots of time for this.

Thanks again.

Originally posted by Danger GirlNo sharp pointed front teeth. I believe the two canines teeth are a futile attempt of our bodies to adapt to what we and our forefathers have stuffed in our mouth.

Who says it's futile? Maybe it's not finished evolving yet. Our teeth are neither carnivore or herbivore but half way in between, hence why we get so much food stuck between our teeth and are so susceptible to tooth decay. Our stomachs contain protein digesting enzymes and we do a pretty good job of dealing with meat. Ok, we're not optimised for it but we can. Chimps are known to eat each other, particularly eating a child's brains - brain is rich in fatty acids and very nutritious. I think like chimps and bonobos we just stuff anything in mouth we can get. It's that omnivorous ability that gives us good abilities at survival and colonising new territory. I agree that most people eat too much meat now, and it not good for us or the ecosystem. Here in Britain people eat on average twice the yearly amount of meat that they did back in the first half of the 20th century.

Evolution doesn't work that way. Sorry, Danger Girl.

Shpow, you look like a biochemist, with the fact that you know amylase and the DNA and all.

I only see evidence of humans evolved to eat fruits, vegetables, fish and poultry. No one has presented evidence of our ability to eat pork and beef, by the contrary, a poster mentioned that those even rot in the digestive tract. Bodybuilding is not evidence because they get in peak form by eating fish, poultry and lean meats. Bodybuilders don't eat fatty meats such as pork.

Our canines cannot chew raw meat or break bones like dogs do. However we have no problem eating raw seafood and poultry. Just as we cannot go eating grass, we cannot go eating certain kinds of meat.

I'm not really an expert, and it is not my profession. While I do study it my main career is Art, but thanks!

Now, meat other than lean meat, poultry and fish was rarely ever eaten raw, but after generations, centuries of cooking food our stomachs have adapted to not need the same stomach a dog has. Dogs for example can eat raw meat without a worry. Even we can, so much so that a traditional food in Malta (second time I'm mentioning the country on this board XD) is raw sausage composed of herbs, pork, fat, beef and intestines (the casing).

Also, canines in our jaws are positioned at the same spot as carnivores. Our teeth are composed of incisors and canines (1 'root') and premolars and molars (2 or 3 'roots'). We've got the incisors to initiate the bite, breaking the skin of the food (NB; skin can refer to even the surface of fruits like apples) then the canines to rip meat off bone, then molars and premolars to grind.
Our motions are dictated as so; we bite down with the upper and lower incisors, turn our head to cut the food via the canines, then use the tongue to grind and chew the food. That's where digestion begins. Using chemical digestion with saliva amylase and mechanical digestion with the teeth and tongue. Swallowing the food down the oesophagus into the stomach thanks to the tongue's reflex. The stomach acid is Hydrochloric acid which is, on the pH scale 1.5, plenty acidic for digestion of meat.

But we humans need a balanced diet composed of Lipids, Carbohydrates, Proteins, Sugars and Starch. We use fibre (food which is not digested) to provide as roughage, easing the load on the muscles used to move food down along the intestine. Now, this means there are materials we cannot break down with our acid due to a covering of the material, such as salmonella, finger nails, tapeworms etc,.

Humans are omnivores, we're fully capable of eating numerous types of food, more than our global staple consists of. If we weren't suited for meat, we'd react badly to it, much like a dog does with chocolate.

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I was a vegan until my body stopped creating new blood cells.

Have been eating meat ever since. I get so annoyed about all the anti cow stuff out there.

If everyone stopped eating meat tomorrow, farmers would not make pets of these wonderful beasts - they would be slaughtered as too expensive to continue to care for.

Cows are slandered for the methane they produce. But where I live, every cow has several acres of medow to roam about on. I suspect that the trees, lush grasses and brush more than offset the methane that the cow produces.

Meanwhile the vintners continue to buy California rural properties like crazy. The lands are bull dozed, and the trees and brush are destroyed. No habitat remains for skunks, rabbits, gophers, cvoyotes, foxes, and
deer. Nor is anything let for the birds either! A local sportswriter claims that 7 to 15% of the deer population perishes each year because their habitat is destroyed!

Yet the vegan happilyd owns his or her daily glasses of wine, thinking that just because they do not eat meat, they are environmentally pure.

TrueDelphii, your words are verified. I studied ecology and what you say is all, sadly, very, very true.

If you think that we dont have sharp pointed front teeth I invite you to be bitten by me..

At one point all creatures ate meat. Not eating meat came from isolation.

Well, I've read quite a few pages of this lengthy topic and I haven't seen the following posted by anyone, so if I missed it, I apologize:

Some facts:

Herbivores spend 80 percent of their waking lives eating!
As they eat their grasses, leaves, seeds, bark etc. they are ingesting animal protein from the insects that are unfortunate enough to be crawling, nesting and or sleeping on the plants being ingested. The average cow ingests up to 8 ounces of insects a day (the estimates vary but that is somewhere in the ball park).

The average human vegetarian eats washed plants devoid of insects so they get no animal protein in their diets.

During the ice age, Europe and Asia were locked in prolonged periods of winter with very little plant food suitable for human consumption available, therefore humans had to eat large amounts of meat. This was beneficial and contributed to their survival by providing the protein and animal fats necessary to survive the extreme cold. This is also the time that humans experienced their greatest leap in intelligence.

Eskimos (prior to modern transportation systems) survived on mostly meat diets with very little vegetation.

Scientists generally agree that animal protein contributed to the development of larger brains and intelligence in humans. Compare the intelligence of the average cow to that of a dog, or a sheep to a lion. Intelligence is relatively higher in carnivores because the thought process involved in hunting is more demanding than in grazing and animal protein aids in this development.

Family life is much richer in the carnivorous species than in the herbivores. How many cows have you seen playing with their calves? Or Sheep? How many bulls?

Carnivores have a greater percentage of father-mother-offspring family units. Herbivores very rarely exhibit this trait. Hunter gatherer groups of humans exhibited very close family ties, their survival depended on it.

Birds of prey also exhibit this trait with life long mates. Some non-prey birds do exhibit this trait (geese I think), but they are the exception.

If a vegetarian couple have children that are vegetarian and that trait continues several generations it is possible that mental deficiencies will arise (I read this somewhere but cannot provide any information on the study or theory, but I tend to think that it is true) because the human brain needs the animal protein to develop properly.

In summary: I have spent the last 3.5 billion years working my way up the food chain and I am not about to start grazing now! (this is a quote by someone whom I cannot remember - a comedian, I think, but sums up my personal stand on the vegetarian issue).

Thank you for pointing out that most intelligent animals are carnivores. I was going to say that too but forgot,cause I probably went off on some rant or something.

In addition to that I'd like to speculate that carnivores are more intelligent because of the protein they ingest for their substantially larger brains, but because carnivores have to actually outsmart their prey and their surroundings to eat. prey do not they only need to be good at running away real fast.

Also, besides for accurately grabbing fruit off of branches, wanna make a bet as to why we humans have binocular vision?

Originally posted by TrueDelphi
reply to post by Johnmike

 

Yet the vegan happilyd owns his or her daily glasses of wine, thinking that just because they do not eat meat, they are environmentally pure.

Actually you make a good point about wine, particularly what gets processed with the grapes, yeah 90% of your wine is grapes but i know for a fact that when these grapes get picked (and they get picked by machine). everything else gets picked with them...This would include birds, birds eggs, spiders, insects, frogs, lizards and anything else that might think a grape vine is a nice place to hang out.


So when a Vegan or vegetarian tells you how they dont promote cruety to animals or whatever self righteous BS they claim, at your next dinner party, maybe remind them how that glass of wine they're drinking came to be.

Originally posted by Chadwickus

Originally posted by TrueDelphi
reply to post by Johnmike

 

Yet the vegan happilyd owns his or her daily glasses of wine, thinking that just because they do not eat meat, they are environmentally pure.

Actually you make a good point about wine, particularly what gets processed with the grapes, yeah 90% of your wine is grapes but i know for a fact that when these grapes get picked (and they get picked by machine). everything else gets picked with them...This would include birds, birds eggs, spiders, insects, frogs, lizards and anything else that might think a grape vine is a nice place to hang out.


So when a Vegan or vegetarian tells you how they dont promote cruety to animals or whatever self righteous BS they claim, at your next dinner party, maybe remind them how that glass of wine they're drinking came to be.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
So when a Vegan or vegetarian tells you how they dont promote cruety to animals or whatever self righteous BS they claim, at your next dinner party, maybe remind them how that glass of wine they're drinking came to be.

This kind of desperate logic is very typical of the mentality that vegos face at dinner parties nearly every time, and usually unprovoked despite what you may claim. Thanks for the example.

Wow, where do you guys get your wine from?

"We" make our wine from birds, lizards and frogs just like everybody else

Originally posted by Shpow
Wow, where do you guys get your wine from?

Margaret River in Western Australia. If you know your wine, you'd know of a few Margaret river vinyards.


I actually wish I was joking about the wine process, but just to remove confusion, I am talking about the large vinyards, smaller traditional ones wouldn't use machinery.

And really I'm not too fussed if your a vegetarian, vegan or whatever.
Although I remember an example that made me role my eyes.

It was on some English show and it was all about this chef wanting to do a traditional 12 course meal. Now of course the meal consisted of many different meats and dairy products.

Heres where the eye rolling part begins, He sent out invitations to people who knew full well what the meal was all about.

One lady turns up, sees the menu and tells the waitress "oh I'm sorry but I'm Vegan" I cant eat ANY of these dishes.
How STUPID is this woman????? fine you're vegan but for gods sake why in blue hell did you turn up to a 12 course Traditional bloody English meal!?!??!


in summary, meat eaters are smarter

[edit on 13-7-2008 by Chadwickus]

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Yeah you're right, nothing could be staged on an English show. Meat eaters got all the smarts

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As far as I was aware it wasn't staged. The chef appeared genuinely pissed off when he had to make 12 vegan dishes out of thin air.
If it was set up, then I apologise for being reeled in to believe a tv show (it happens)

Also, I think you missed the after the meat eaters are smarter comment. Sarcasm is hard to present in writing sometimes.

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