Do you believe John Lears stories?

I like Lear but I do not believe everything he claims is true. He told Hoagland on the Kevin Smith show that he knows someone that has been on the moon and that person told Lear that there is an atmosphere on the moon, but when Lear was interviewd by another female later (Lear tells all), he didn't mention that important piece of information when they were talking about how he knows there is an atmosphere on the moon.

I think Hoagland is the one to listen to if you want information based on facts. I do think Lear means well, and if only 25% of what he says is true then that too is pretty spectacular.

The thing with John Lear is that he's so beleiveible, esp if you watch him on film.

he's one of them people that has an air of confidence in what he says, if you watch him in video interveiw.

appart from his content theres nothing there where you feel this guy is a joke.

and my view is that a lot of the things he says is how it is, esp on government U.F.O. coverups.

he knows a lot! thats for shure, about things that are hidden from the public.

however, a lot of it has gone to his head,

and most of the wackey stuff he makes up, he actually over time has become to beleive it himself.

and thats where The line begin to blur when I read his interviews/Stories.


I still respect the guy though.
and he's Very welcome here.




So the answer to your question is that I cannot discount everything he says yet a lot of the time I find it Very hard to swallow,

and its upto me to section his words into fact and fiction.




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reply to post by gottago




I'll be honest here. Usually people can easily pinpoint the differences between someone who is simply having a good time at the expense of others and someone who is being sincere and genuinely believes what they are saying. I always got he feeling that John Lear was of the former category. I believe he knew his stories were mostly poor science fiction at best, his reasons for spreading said material remains to speculation.

Definately he had an ego and loved having it stroked, that could be possible motive. He could have genuinely been a CIA informant who was sent out to misguide and confuse - or to make an already questionable field of study seem that much more bizarre and unbelievable. I wont sit here and pretend to know Mr. Lear's motives for doing what he does, but I personally believe that he knows it is baloney, but for whatever reason decides to carry it to task anyway.

If you read John's writings you could automatically tell that the man was extremely intelligent. You could also tell that he loved to hear himself talk. What I would question is his past relationships with military and government agencies and where his loyalties were really centered.

I would also agree that just because an idea or a concept is fantastic or out of the normal range of thought does not instantly discredit said theory. Me personally, I believe in quite a few conspiracies that would likely be considered "fringe" or hard to qualify as sound. But let's face it, some of the stuff that John perpetrated could not be construed by an open minded individual as anything but pure unadulterated nonsense.

To put it mildly, he used his position as an "expert" in the field as a means to tell lies, fables, tall tales, whatever you want to call them. Mostly offering no proof or evidence of any kind whatsoever to back his talk. Personally I believe that ATS and the entire community gain a substabtial increase in plausibility and credibility when Lear isn't involved at all.

Just my opinion, sorry if nobody else agrees. I don't dislike the guy at all, mind you, and I have nothing against him personally. I just have serious issues with some of his theories as well as his motives for what he does.

reply to post by TheShadow


I believe you hit the nail on the head. To actually take it a step further and add a twist to it I tend to get the impression that John Lear is the type of individual who actually enjoys getting his audience all worked up even though he know most of what he is stating is pure fiction. The thrill for him is watching the fish take the bait and run with it (You guys remember his Disclosure Briefing on Hoax to Hoax AM) even though the needle on the polygraph machine broke over an hour ago. I can picture him and his good friend Bob Lazar sitting in Lear’s backyard, having a drink or smoke, and chuckling over how they can screw with the UFO community next month.

The first time I heard JL talking about the moon and the soul tower on the moon, I laughed pretty hard and thought he was a nut case.
Someone told him he should read the book of Enoch, JL said he would when he had time. Well I had the time so I read the book of Enoch.

The book of Enoch says there are actually 2 Soul Resepticles on the moon, one for good souls and the other for bad souls....

Believe what you want but if your just going to rely on other peoples words without doing your own research then you a fool, like about 70% of the people on this website who just claim him as a nut case without doing there own research.

Enoch was Noahs great grand father, and the bible is practicly based on the book of Enoch.

So believe what you want but with out doing your own research you will never know the truth!

I currently have a book on the Book of Enoch, i think i better read it.. As for John Lear, i never herd of him, but i will look him up.. Good Post guys...

Originally posted by menguard

Just to drop a bomb here aliens do have machines that can seperate the body from the soul, make no mistake on that one. They can pull you out of your body before you could finish a sentence.

I once had an ET offer to take me to his home world and in the processs I would be leaving my body here, my soul only stood a small chance of making the trip... I opted to stay...

Thing is , there is so much more to this existence than meets the ordinary eye. Again I will say in John's defence, he made people think outside the box...

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
But my problem comes in where, when I provide evidence, you say....yeah, sure...I'm not gonna read that...

You didn't provide evidence. You provided a link to a long thread. DrLove asked you to show specifically where John said that he remote viewed Venus.

Regardless of whether or not John remote viewed venus here is not the issue.

You made it the issue, as you claimed that John said he personally remote viewed Venus.

Unless you can supply the exact quote where John said that he personally remote viewed Venus, you are putting words in his mouth - just as DrLove pointed out to you.

I don't remember John ever claiming that he personally remote viewed Venus. Like DrLove, I could be wrong, so I'll wait for you to supply the evidence that John stated it.

Originally posted by SpaceBits
Believe what you want but if your just going to rely on other peoples words without doing your own research then you a fool, like about 70% of the people on this website who just claim him as a nut case without doing there own research.

Enoch was Noahs great grand father, and the bible is practicly based on the book of Enoch.

No offense intended. But to me that's like saying research the Peter Cotton Tail books to prove the Easter Bunny isn't a fictional character.
It's a bit presumptuous to claim 70% of people who don't believe JL are just following the 'herd' of posters here that don't believe.

Peace

Nope the guy has lost his marbles,the 9/11 planes were holograms? there is an 18,000ft equviliant atmosphere on the moon? There is life on ALL the planets in the solar system?....hmmm...i dont think he's an intentional disinfo,but i do think he trusts his inside sources far too much...they may be leading him astray...

Well, I just found this thread and I'm not about to read all the previous posts but my take on Lear and Dan Burisch both is that they are both being fed a mixture of mostly truths with a little bit of out and out ridiculousness thrown in. I'm sure Burisch and Lear truly believe this startling information they think they've stumbled across. They are simply unwitting disinformation agents.

Originally posted by bigdog36

No offense intended. But to me that's like saying research the Peter Cotton Tail books to prove the Easter Bunny isn't a fictional character.
It's a bit presumptuous to claim 70% of people who don't believe JL are just following the 'herd' of posters here that don't believe.

Peace

Your comparing a book thats 37 years old to a book thats over 5,000 years old?
Not to mention that your 37 year old book has no relevance, It's fiction.

This is what I mean by people not doing there own research.
Just Ignorance here thats all! Like I said believe what you want.

John Lear had a cameo in Big Fish, didn't he?

Seriously though, I'm sure he believes some of his story, but he strikes me as the type of person that dosen't let reality or skepticism stand in the way of a good tale. So no, I don't believe most of what he says, although I do believe the core concept of we do not live in the reality the majority of the population believes is true, that there are aliens and elitist conspiracies. But John Lear(tm) is a science fiction novel.

Entertaining though.

I think we're all basically agreed that John Lear doesn't have the whole story straight, but obviously we've all spent a little time watching John Lear videos on you tube. It's a guilty pleasure, isn't it?
And besides, he's kinda cute.

Oh, and one more thing, does anyone know if John Lear is still banned from ATS? I wonder if he's reading this. I would imagine he is, wouldn't you? I'm sure he reads ATS from time to time or either some one told him about this thread. Well anyway, Hi John! I always enjoy you on Coast to Coast.

it is funny tho that it always seemed to be a love/hate relationship with the members and mr lear; regardless of any personal opinions, he did always manage to shake things up and bring out that "what if." quality to many, to give some a reason to think outside the box and research for themselves instead of relying only on previously provided info.

perhaps john just wanted to shake everyone up,but he would make you think, and we lost a very colorful individual here at ats.

Originally posted by MsSmartypants
I think we're all basically agreed that John Lear doesn't have the whole story straight.

I'm leery (pun unintentional) of any assertions of "complete truth" outside our own truths. Just because the Bible, Qur'an, 9/11 Commission, Warren Commission, CNN, John Lear and Oprah tell us so, doesn't make it so. I hardly have the whole story straight on myself, much less on 9/11 and the universe.

Yet, here I am, wanting to unearth allegedly buried truths. I have this overwhelming urge to believe that there is something hidden from us.

The question for me isn't whether or not I believe John Lear. The real question is, "Do I want to believe John Lear." And the answer is, "Of course." Agent Mulder's poster in X-Files says everything, "I want to believe."

I don't believe the soul catcher thing yet, but I haven't done any research on it yet, either.

I think he's very interesting and his views are great reading. Some of it seems very credible. I think he's delightful. Would love to see him get his forum back.