Do you believe John Lears stories?

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by menguard
Character aside I still think he has driven the nail home, like him, love him, hate him, doesn't matter the only thing that matters are the veracity of the claims, and they are staggering.

When those claims include people he doesn't like are CIA agents out-to-get him, then it's calls into question all of his claims.

Or maybe he KNOWS HOW THEY WORK, and he has let his experiences dictate behavior.

I still enjoy the looks of astonishment, bewilderment and general confusion on peoples faces when I mention anything pertaining to Mr. Lear's theory of the giant soul catching device that is, according to Lear, supposedly located somewhere on the dark side of the Earth's moon


Now I have heard a few whoppers in my time, but that one happens to be one of my favorites.


And to answer the question of the OP.....no....I do not.

Do I believe John's stories?

No, not a one, but he was a great personality to have at ATS.

I'm very fond of him, and saw him as an agent provocateur, but in a good way. He made you think, not such a bad thing, in the end.

Some people think he's anathema, but if you had an inner compass and a grain of common sense, you could enjoy John and the whole caravan that accreted around him--and it was a good show.

Sorry he's gone. But no, they were tall tales.

I personally don't believe a word he says and believe 99.9% of what he has stated is pure nonsense. And I have an extremely open mind, but the fairy tales I have heard from John Lear are even less believable and factual than the Easter bunny or Santa.
Yes he is well respected for his accomplishments, but I think his statements are a detriment to real truth seekers and how they are generally viewed by the majority.
That's my personal and honest opinion.
I do wonder sometimes, if others come on here and claim total nonsense with no proof or even circumstantial evidence at all, they can get banned from this site for spreading horse dung posts. Why is it John Lear hasn't been warned about spreading ludicrous statements with no backing whatsoever?




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Just to drop a bomb here aliens do have machines that can seperate the body from the soul, make no mistake on that one. They can pull you out of your body before you could finish a sentence.

I got here at the tail end of JLE (John Lear Era). But from what I have read regarding his theories (Space Shuttles, moon fission generators, towable moons, four men in Apollo 1, etc) I found him to be quite ridiculous. In threads and in the Project Camelot videos he always had the "they are out to get ME" kind of demeanor.

Like his thoughts that "they" shot Fosset down because they thought it was him. That "they" were targeting him. He tried to laugh it off like he was joking, but I think he actually would like to believe he is that important.

In the end I think John "Walter Mitty" Lear just liked to tell tall tales and have people, even internet people, look up to him and be like him.

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Originally posted by gottago
Do I believe John's stories?

No, not a one, but he was a great personality to have at ATS.

I'm very fond of him, and saw him as an agent provocateur, but in a good way. He made you think, not such a bad thing, in the end.

Some people think he's anathema, but if you had an inner compass and a grain of common sense, you could enjoy John and the whole caravan that accreted around him--and it was a good show.

Sorry he's gone. But no, they were tall tales.

I respectfully take exception to one aspect of your post.

Tall tales generally involve a giant and a bean stalk or an enormous blue ox. And in most cases they are not presented as truth, only entertainment.

I believe the word that you are looking for would be "LIES". As in to lie, as in to purposefully deceive, not embellishment, not stretching the truth, but to LIE.

Sorry mate, but it is what it is.

John Lear is as accurate as it gets.

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Read Penetration by Ingo Swann

Originally posted by menguard

Just to drop a bomb here aliens do have machines that can seperate the body from the soul, make no mistake on that one. They can pull you out of your body before you could finish a sentence.

-And you know this, how?

Originally posted by pak88

Originally posted by menguard

Just to drop a bomb here aliens do have machines that can seperate the body from the soul, make no mistake on that one. They can pull you out of your body before you could finish a sentence.

-And you know this, how

?

I second that...please enlighten us as to you know this "fact." And please don't tell me john lear told you. John Lear's word is not evidence.

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter

Originally posted by pak88

Originally posted by menguard

Just to drop a bomb here aliens do have machines that can seperate the body from the soul, make no mistake on that one. They can pull you out of your body before you could finish a sentence.

-And you know this, how

?

I second that...please enlighten us as to you know this "fact." And please don't tell me john lear told you. John Lear's word is not evidence.

Had an encounter back a few years, and it delt with a machine that did this vacume sound suctioning, and pulled out of my body and put me back into my body. That and or they pulled me through dimensions which is also a very big possibility because I hit the bed hard when coming in for a landing, you guys really need to get out and read more.

First though its the opening of dimensions and this machine sounds like a blender opening up the space between time and space, then the vacume reverse suck sound goes on and out you come body and all.

It sounds like something caught inside a tube when your being pushed out inbetween dimensions.

Here you are.

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Originally posted by BlackOps719
I believe the word that you are looking for would be "LIES". As in to lie, as in to purposefully deceive, not embellishment, not stretching the truth, but to LIE.

What if he believes he is telling the truth. Is it still a lie?

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Well, I take it you're one of those I categorized as thinking John was anathema, but honestly, on a site that on any given day has a dozen active threads each on Niburu, Alex Collier, and "Will space tourism will lead to disclosure in 2012?," singling out John for spreading lies seems like yelling fire in the ninth circle of hell.

Thing is, lots of people believe lots of crazy stuff; witness the average thread at ATS; at least John had the cojones to put his name to his follies.

Here ya go one more time added more.

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gottago.....did 'anathema' drop out of your mind, or did it lay there all by itself, ready for use?

Reason I ask is....that is a great word, and I suspect many will be scramblling to look it up, even as I type this.

Pretty brilliant, if you ask me. (But, please...don't ask.....I'm not that brilliant).

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ww,

I'm tickled you asked, but the word just seemed appropriate since, for many members here, John was a lightning rod of criticism for the sort of things that make up a good 3/4 of this site's content.

It was an almost religious persecution in its intensity, and so "anathema" seemed entirely appropriate to sum it up.

You know, how they used to burn witches at the stake to make everyone feel better. Well, now John's gone, the nonsense lies as thick as ever, and one of the most entertaining and provocative figures here is banned. And so it goes.

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I always enjoyed readind Lears comments for no other reason than to try to pick out the shreds of truth that fit in with my own understandings. As for the more outrageous claims of Mr. Lear, I thought of them as kind of looking at a childs drawing of a rose; it gave me an idea of what I was supposed to see but was nowhere close to the real thing.
To Mr. Lear and all the other "fringers", Rock On

Ahhh, John Lear... Beloved crazy ole granpa (said with the utmost respect).

I look at John like I look at any 60+ telling me ufo tales. Fun to listen to, enjoyable and entertaining to watch. BUT... Believeable?

Not much.

The beauty of John Lear is he makes you want to believe things you know are improbable. Some call it dis-info. I think he's just a good storyteller... and a lot of people aren't willing to listen... So he came to the CTer's 'cause we all love a good story. Afterall, thats where all good Conspiracy Theories start.

John may be right on some little details. But thats what story tellers do.

John is a definitive example of the dad in "big fish" tall tales with many grains of truth.

My $.02.

Coven