Obama's Birth Certificate

OOOOOOOOOPS ... it's not a birth certificate. It's a 'certification of birth'.

Different document. Close ... but not the actual document.
Some information on the 'certification of birth' is missing.

What the blogs are starting to say-
Suitably Flip mentions the difference.

The certification of birth should put to rest fears that Obama was born in Kenya.

Wonkette says 'AFRICAN' is not a race.

At any rate ... at least we now have certification that he's not from a virgin birth! That might shock some of his disciples!



[edit on 6/12/2008 by FlyersFan]

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Originally posted by FlyersFan
OOOOOOOOOPS ... it's not a birth certificate. It's a 'certification of birth'.

Different document. Close ... but not the actual document.
Some information on the 'certification of birth' is missing.

My take on this...

The Certificate of Birth is photoshopped onto a certificate that was printed on June 6, 2003. Anybody with a photo editing program may want to crop and enlarge the laser printing of the black-on-green text to determine if this text is highly pixelated compared to the other text on the page.

You may want to compare the black on green text with the white on black text at the bottom of the certificate which may show no pixelation, or a different resolution as evidenced by "steps" in the diagonal lines in the letters.

The unofficial release of this by Kos gives Obama plausible deniability if it found to be fake, while possibly putting out the fires about this rumor.

Also, it may be a trap. Once enough rumors are stirred, Obama may in fact officially release the actual BC showing the same info on the fake CoB in an effort to discredit all the rumor spreading bloggers.

go to barack obama.com and you will find his birth certificate there

So this jerk won't release his birth certificate. Maybe he is not a US citizen. Now I want his birth certificate released to the public.

Originally posted by sensfan

As for you being a spam victim...are you surprised? You would get the same thing from Clinton, McCain, or anyone running for office.

Surprised? No.

I am disappointed that I received no answer to a reasonable question.

I am disappointed that instead of an answer I got solicited and put on a list I did not subscribe to and that was not disclosed on his site.

I am disappointed that after ignoring the question, his people started asking for money.

My belief that he is more of the same was reinforced and in fact proved to me.

I knew what would happen but I wanted to demonstrate it.

The latest one:

Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting Senator Obama. We're glad to have your comments. Barack greatly appreciates the outpouring of messages expressing different views he has received from across the country and from Americans around the world, and we appreciate hearing from you.

We're on the way to creating the changes we seek, but we will only get there by uniting tens of millions of Americans around a new way of practicing politics and a set of sensible solutions to the great challenges we face as a nation.

Thank you again for contacting Senator Obama.

Sincerely,

Obama for America

I did not make a comment; I asked a question. A "new way of practicing politics"? He is the same as the rest, as is evidenced by how his people have been instructed to respond to questions. Which is, ignore them altogether and ask for money.

He is even more dangerous because he has a following of groupies who swoon at his every word. Not something new at all, but something very old I'm afraid. Soros (the Man Who Would Be King) money to boot. Elect Obama and elect Soros.

I suspect that I will vote for none of the above by writing in a name this time.

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Here it is.


Bravo. I was a little upset there were 6 pages of nonsense before this was revealed. I was somewhat disappointed someone beat me to it though. I would have been less.. polite.. about ending a round of rumor mill garbage.

Daily Kos said it best.. Consider the latest batch of crazy internet rumors debunked.

ATS is losing it's touch. Tripping over themselves when faced with trivial material; all the while ignoring the big picture. Pull yourselves together, dang.

What next? The fist bump? Maybe the color of his shoe strings? Did he wink, or did he grin? I can't believe he ate that dish back in 1997! Can we really do it? Apparently no we can't.




[edit on 6/12/2008 by QuietSoul]

I'm really surprised so many people are just assuming that the image on Kos is real, and that somehow Kos has an actual photocopy of the CofB.

As I suspected, there is extreme pixelation around all of the black on green letters.



Also note that there doesn't appear to be any pixelation around the seal in the middle of the photo, or around the white on black letters. There is also no white "halo" around the seal or the white on black letters.




Also, I was curious about what appears to be numbers written in ink on the certificate. What's odd is that these numbers seem to be backwards:





So I flipped the image around, and sure enough they were backwards, and they show the date, 6/6/2003:



How did an ink stamp get on the certificate backwards? Who has a backwards stamp?

Why was this printed on 6/6/2003? Obviously this isn't the original BC, and therefore it's existence does nothing to quell the rumors about the original BC.

Plus, notice how there is NO pixelation around the date stamped in ink. This is a huge difference from the black on green name lettering shown above.

Combine these observations with the fact that it seems odd that Kos would happen to have a copy of this, and it seems to me like this image is probably not legit.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Flyersfan, I have to applaud you. Even though we seem to be at different ends of the political spectrum, and but heads here often, (and you are a Flyers fan...ugh ;-) ), you can accept facts as facts and not be pigheaded as many here on ATS are.

Kudos to you my foe, and my friend.

I wish more at ATS were like you.

Sensfan.

hey *SNIP* he HAS released his birth certificate. you can see it here:
my.barackobama.com...


Moderator-Note: Insult Removed.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by Skyfloating]

Just a question here, and anyone there prove me otherwise, were does it state the a candidate for POTUS has to publicly show his birth certificate? Is there a requirement that before taking office the POTUS MUST show their birth certificate, or is it a matter of just paper work that has to be sorted out.

Originally posted by QuietSoul
I was a little upset there were 6 pages of nonsense

You poor guy .... upset because a CONSPIRACY site was discussing what could be a conspiracy. Imagine that! :shk:

Originally posted by jamie83
Once enough rumors are stirred, Obama may in fact officially release the actual BC showing the same info on the fake CoB in an effort to discredit all the rumor spreading bloggers.

I LOVE the way your conspiratoral mind works!

Birth record information

It seems that there are some different records used. Birth certificates, but also 'certificates of birth'. A certificate of birth is a 'short form' and is NOT a birth certificate. I don't know if what was released was a fake birth certificate or a short-form certification of birth. Or perhaps it was a faked certification of birth.

At any rate - it does NOT have the necessary information to be a birth certificate. Attending physician, hospital, length and weight of baby, etc. Many from that time period have foot prints along with the occupation and religions of parents.

If proven to be a real 'certification of birth' then it should put to rest the rumors that he was named Barry at birth and that he was born overseas. It gives the astrologers their time of birth so they can do their charts that are so dear to them.

But if it's fake .... bwahahahahahahaaaa (evil laugh) ....

reply to post by watcher357


Islamic Muslim???? Does that mean you are a Christian Christian? Come on, give it up! You must be absolutely terrified that he will win. US politics, like politics in every nation, is cyclical. We are now swinging to the left, just as we did in 1933. You can try to stop it, but you will have a hard time getting those tire prints off your shirt. Just wait a few years, and we'll swing right again. There is at least one thing that the far right and far left share - absolutely no ability to reason whatsoever!

Originally posted by jamie83
Also, I was curious about what appears to be numbers written in ink on the certificate. What's odd is that these numbers seem to be backwards:

That's June 6, 2007. Probably the day it was issued. It's likely printed on the other side and showed through when it was scanned. The person below says it's part of the "official stamp"

You really should read the comments on the Daily KOS page. Many of the issues that are being discussed here are answered there. Or you can continue your sleuthing. It's clear that you're not going to believe this is legit no matter what happens, but for people who are curious (trimmed for relevance):

Hawaii Birth Certificate trivia:

This copy is clearly of more recent vintage; yes, it's just a copy. In Hawaii, there is no longer an "original" certificate, which a Health Dept. official would copy and stamp as a "true copy." This has only occurred since some time between my second and third child. (I am a citizen of Hawaii Nei for about 20 years, now.) Barack's birth certificate is in the current green form, which is a mere copmuter print out. For instance, my second child (son) was issued in the prior pink colored form which includes an official's stamp and signature as a true copy. These days, that formality is no longer employed, since the form includes various protections against forgery, similar to a bank check. (Although, there is still a stamp in raised relief which does not scan or photocopy. You'll notice some indication of this in the lower-center of the form.) This is what you get from now on when you request a copy of a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii Dept. of Health, regardless of when the birth was recorded. (We do not record or issue birth certs via counties, here.) By the way, the "foreign" words on the State Seal read, "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono." This translates as, "The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness." This is our state's motto; Hawaiian, appropriately, being one of our official languages.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Wonkette says 'AFRICAN' is not a race.

Did you notice they said his race wasn't "African", it's "Muslim"? That cracked me up. How very credible!

I have issue with the birth certificate presented by the daily Kos. Being the type of document it is I am prone to wonder why it has no notary public stamp to verify it.... their are no signatures....not from mom or dad or doctor... Whatever public servant filled it out for filing purposes failed to sign print or type their name onto the document. No baby feetprints. The ages of mommy and daddy at the time of birth are not given. Their is a blue ink stamp on the back of it which bled through the front upon scanning.. it gives a dates JUN 6 2007. Must of been the date it was requested/forged. It has on fold crease through the state seal suggesting it was mailed

In my life I have found the best fakes are normally the real deal you paid a public servant to falsify.....In this case however I think Obama might not of paid a dime judgeing by the worth of the document.


EDIT: I can see others already made some of my observations with photos to boot... Thats what I get for stopping midpost to hit the corner store.

[edit on 10/18/2007 by titorite]

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ONE MORE THING I JUST NOTICED!!!!!

This document is assuredly a computer generated fake.... Real backround with computer superimposed lettering. How can one tell? The green horazontal and vertical stripes stop for letters. Meaning when you come to an O or A or any letter where a stripe should be visable in the back round. it is all white.

He faked it. Proof is right there in the backround.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
It seems that there are some different records used. Birth certificates, but also 'certificates of birth'. A certificate of birth is a 'short form' and is NOT a birth certificate. I don't know if what was released was a fake birth certificate or a short-form certification of birth. Or perhaps it was a faked certification of birth.

You are making a distinction without a difference.

While it is not the original birth certificate, it is the short form (as you said). They are issued by the state in lieu of the original birth certificate, because they are cheaper and easier to access. While not the original certificate, it signifies and is proof that the birth certificate exists.In fact, they are also called "Certification of Birth Record". Further, when the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances.

All of the above information is on the link you posted. Your refusal to accept that it is as valid as the long-form birth certificate (as the very link you posted states) and your accusations that it may be fake does nothing but prove that no matter what, you will not accept any sort of evidence or proof. Shown proof, you say it still isn't good enough. This refusal is nothing but a lame attempt at moving the goal-posts of the conversation, and not see yourself proven wrong. It is not a stretch to say the only birth-certificate you will accept is one that proves your allegations.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If proven to be a real...

Why are you assuming that it is fake? Why must it be proven real? Why don't you prove that it is not genuine?

Originally posted by titorite
ONE MORE THING I JUST NOTICED!!!!!

This document is assuredly a computer generated fake.... Real backround with computer superimposed lettering. How can one tell?

Being that it is a short-form birth certificate, it was generated on a computer...

Originally posted by titorite
I have issue with the birth certificate presented by the daily Kos. Being the type of document it is I am prone to wonder why it has no notary public stamp to verify it.... their are no signatures....not from mom or dad or doctor...

That is because it is a short-form birth-certificate. Those are not required for the short-form.

But all of this information has been provided. This is nothing but further proof will be good enough for some people, and they will continue to move the goal-posts, unless the birth-certificate says exactly what they want it to say, "Name: Barry. Religion: Muslim. Birthplace: Timbuktu." That is all they will accept, and until they, will ignore anything to the contrary.