American 'Ultra Black' Reversed Engineered Projects

Originally posted by jkrog08
Now whats more plausible-that these aliens who refuse(for some reason)to show themselves for some reason keep flying around in their black triangles,or the triangles are ours and that they are possibly using reversed engineered technology recovered from(at the least) the Roswell crash(a hard to dispute extra terrestrial event)?

I'm not sure Roswell is hard to dispute - but thats just me!

The massive, huge, gigantic and enormous problem I have with this TR-3B stuff that you've quoted is that its presented as fact. It's been written so it appears to be fact. People reading it think its real.

In reality, its all conjecture. I can point you at similar specifications for the USS Enterprise D, that go into great detail about how the warp engines work, what the ships capabilites are etc, but its all fiction.

See where I'm coming from?

Yes, its possible that such things are ours. But it should always be put forward in terms of conjecture, not as fact.

reply to post by Badge01


These mothership size craft are not made on this planet.

My source told me that aside from the apparent(as mentioned)need for an unparalleled secrecy and room to construct these massive craft(as mentioned they are about the size of Navy Super Carriers,some possibly bigger)it was discovered that the alloys and certain elements needed for the structure and composition of the craft,as well propulsion did not exist on Earth,at least in sufficient quantities(some did not exist at all on Earth!)

He mentioned construction yards(massive) on Mars,the Moon,and also several 'mining' platforms on some of the moons of Jupiter and possibly Saturn.So this is why you obviously do not see them on Earth and why they still remain a well guarded secret.

What about the craft caught around Saturn ? that was miles in length and depth - no way was it ours.

HOWEVER.

There is a thread about a UFO sighting with a video of the same craft IMHO that was seen over Belgium in the early 1990's.

This same craft is stated as being seeing in the seminal work unearthly disclosure by timothy good.

These triangles are some thing else - displaying every characteristic of a UFO, and yet eye witnesses see them around / in /near American bases.

I do believe we have this tech, and alot of it may be research from downed craft, we just don't know.

That is the same shape as the Belgium craft from the early '90s.








Now here is a screen capture slice. Note the shape.




and this is the moment that low laying cloud passes underneath the object!






an awesome bit of footage this. Downloaded and saved it to hard drive. IMHO this is a classic.

reply to post by jkrog08


Ever heard the phrase 'believe six improbable things before breakfast? In order for the things you post to be true not only does there have to be exotic propulsion, advanced craft, aliens, production facilities off planet, and also a secret agency with advanced technology, now we have to accept use of exotic materials not on the periodic chart.

That's at least five things too many.

Edit: spelling; need a new keyboard.










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reply to post by neformore


Fair enough,it was not my intent to present this as fact,I guess it just comes of that way as I am telling what someone else told me and putting the collaborating evidence together(probably just getting too excited,lol).

I tried to put disclaimers out saying I can't prove if it is true or not,I guess I just tend to lean towards one side of the argument,I'll try to remain more neutral.

ps:Lol,I know of that Star Trek website,it's pretty cool the way it goes into detail and makes everything seem so real and scientific.(They have a Star Wars site like that too

reply to post by Badge01


Yea but you can't seriously be saying that just cause we haven't discovered any more than 118 elements(I think) that there aren't any more!Or that there could be elements that are unique to certain planets,some have some elements,some have others.

Example:

Helium-3 (He-3) is a light, non-radioactive isotope of helium with two protons and one neutron, rare on Earth, sought for use in nuclear fusion research.

Yes,I know Helium 3 is not a new element,but I'm using this as an example to show the different elemental characteristics of planets and planetoids.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ever heard the phrase 'believe six improbable things before breakfast? In order for the things you post to be true not only does there have to be exotic propulsion, advanced craft, aliens, production facilities off planet, and also a secret agency with advanced echnology, now we have to accept use of exotic materials not on the period chart.

That's at least five things too many.

Exotic propulsion ? easy. 1955 G engine research.

advanced craft ? easy. Alloys, exotic blends, composites ect ect.

production facilities off planet ? Maybe, but why off planet ? small craft made under ground maybe ?

Secret agency with advanced technology > ROFL NSA ring any bells ? and thats just computers...NRO for mega advanced kit.

off the period chart ? if we took that view we would still use earth / water / fire / air as elemets and have further no scientific debate and there would be no period table.

The off earth production is my only frowner here.

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reply to post by jkrog08



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RE: my quote: Reminding them that we don't care what they do
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As a person with significant expertise in Secretive R&D Projects
(Commercial and otherwise), the subject of information containment
is a significant duty/pain in the A** for any intelligence management
system.

Regarding the employees who have lots of time and energy involved
and invested in an SAP/CAP project, they are the ones MOST UNLIKELY
to be a source of a leak simply because of their intellectualism
(i.e. they actually understand the need for secrecy)
and that they also happen to LIKE the jobs they do and thus
would not generally jeopordize their positions.

The above are very easy to deal with because MOST of the time
a leak tends to be of a minor nature or is an actual "mistake".
Like I said earlier, a letter of reprimand and a simple but fairly stern
talk is all that is needed.

Unfortunately, those who are ATS members are part of the "Maverick"
community who, because of a heightened sense of independence and
libertarianism, are exactly those types of people who would MOST LIKELY
become a leak point in any Special Access Program (SAP) or
Compartmentalized Access Program (CAP).

ATS members are usually NOT those who generally like to take or follow
orders and thus your sense of information entitlement and dislike of
secrecy in general is a valid risk factor and it is UNLIKELY you would
make it through any initial SAP/CAP screening program.

However, many ATS members are also SMART and can, with sufficient skill
and a powerful knowledge-base, defeat the psychological screening
programs including initial polygraphs.

But because of probationary periods and periodic polygraph re-examinations,
it would be UNLIKELY that you would be able to KEEP any security clearance
for an extended period of time unless you had a skillset that was
absolutely CRITICAL to the success of a particular program.

In most cases, upon the finding of any "Mavericks" in the system,
we simply give-em some severence, and pass em off to another
white-world project (i.e. "Due to extennuating circumstances,
I must respectfully resign my position of ***** and blah blah blah).
A fast and direct Thank You and goodbye and a signed ConAgree doc
is all that is usually needed for most mavericks.

SOMETIMES HOWEVER, you get a REAL MAVERICK, one who doesn't take
kindly to uniforms, orders or secrecy period!!!!...and sometimes
a SigSau on the table isn't gonna faze them because of their innate
sense of "Constitutionality" or "You won't or can't do that!"
"I'll have your badge/I'll Sue sort of attitude"...These are the
one's I can have some fun with.......

So my comments generally pertain to overall information management
and project secrecy containment and that a simple firing and some nasty
lawyer letters GENERALLY (but not always) works on the mavericks that
get through initial screening.

On a workers ability basis, it's NOT your overall brilliance that will
get you hired but rather your steadfastness, stoicism, CONSISTENCY,
stability and level-headedness which matters most.

When a titanium cog can cost $50k to re-machine, careless
explosive mavericks are NOT what we want in an R&D program,
I want someone cool and collected, that can LEARN from their mistakes
and be smart enough to ask for help when it is needed.
We don't need whiners or complainers or half-a** almost-there
people, we need DOERS and I'll-GET-IT-DONE by XXX attitudes.

There are some obvious problems in speculating about very advanced craft using exotic propulsion, not the least of which is the presumably high energies involved.

The higher the energy of craft that you create brings with it (in theory) higher energy 'accidents'. If you're messing with wormholes, you can't do it within the near proximity of a planet due to these hazards. Potentially doing testing that might involve disrupting the space-time near your home planet would not be wise.

Remember, there has to be a development cycle, and this includes failures and accidents and energy releases on the way to creation of a stable technology.

Since we're not seeing this, I'm doubting most claims of hyper-advanced technology (anything beyond chemical rockets and ionic drives).

This stuff can not occur in a vacuum.

Postulating underground facilities only adds another layer of difficulty making it even more impractical. You don't solve your problem by adding more and more improbabilities as I mentioned before.

To suggest reverse engineering alien technology doesn't make acquisition of FTL travel easier, it makes it orders of magnitude harder.

Despite whatever technology someone might speculate, you have to be a master of the energy source first. Once you are all the gadgetry follows.

reply to post by Badge01


I disagree,respectfully.It does not matter how 'over your head' the technology is if someone shows you how to use it and how it works.This brings me to a point I wanted to make earlier about when you compared the 17th century scholar and a laptop.I believe there is a point of technological evolution when you reach a point of fundamental understanding of things that you can 'comprehend' anything,no matter how many thousands of years advanced it is.I believe this is the case today with our level of technology.In essence we have reached a 'point of no return' in saying that we have enough understanding of the foundation of advanced technology that we can for-see technological advancements even thousands of years ahead.I mean we all can 'comprehend' 'warp' drive or 'hyperspace' and teleportation,particle beams,time travel,parallel universes.multi-dimensions,soul matrixes,cloning,'thought travel',etc.So what is the difference when we find some technology that does one of those very same things?If we know it can exist,than we can make it ourselfs,that I believe is a fact(if you can conceive it,you can build it or else your mind wouldn't even conceive it due to evolutionary laws)especially if someone shows you how to use it,IMHO.

reply to post by Badge01


The analogy of a 17th century scientist receiving a 21st century laptop
is an unfair one to make because if we do have alien craft to take apart,
we 21st century people have at least an UNDERSTANDING of the concepts
of time, space, field effects, quantum mechanics, nano-technologies,
multi-dimensional physics, etc.

We can at least conceive and wrap ourselves around the fact that our
universe is probably multi-dimensional in nature and that there are high
probabilities of the existence on multi-force/Zero Point Energy propulsion
physics and technologies that are Faster Than Light.

A 17th century person has NO CONCEPT AT ALL of any of this!

We could at least infer, that the skin of an Alien craft MIGHT BE
part of it's propulsion system...that a toroidal ring full of spinning
heavy elements might somehow Block or accentuate quantum effects.

We HAVE the knowledge that the Alien communications systems
may be based upon "Teleportation" of quantum dots or QuBit states.
We, at the very least, have an inkling that the aliens might be in fact
artificial intelligences DESIGNED and BUILT for space travel using
nano-tech materials and nano-tech computers for brains.

Our society, through simple progression, has transformed itself such
that WE OURSELVES COULD design and build the very technologies
that I have outlined above and thus we are at the very least,
intellectually capable of deriving SOME scientific understanding
of the basic processes that MIGHT be involved.

A 17th Century person would simply see a blank saucer of gleaming metal
with no concept that it might take computerized and digitally re-created
brain-wave patterns to open the seemless shell of the craft which uses
sub-atomic scale electro-motive material stabilization to suddenly fold
out a door and staircase from a hunk of what we now know as
multi-layered Carbon Nanotubes/Bucky Balls and memory metals.

So it is blatantly unfair to put US 21st Century eggheads
in the same category as 17th century monks-as-scientist......

reply to post by StargateSG7


WOW,you deserve 10000000000000 stars for that post.You just detailed everything I said earlier with terms I myself didn't even know!(And I know a lot about physics)

I'm just gonna reaffirm previous statements/speculations.

The TR is probably a designation for manned aircraft. The Tier is for drones.
There are no TR-2s (at least not officially). If there is, it's probably the f-117 and the b2.

The next TRs might also be a pair of fighter bomber. The triangle and its big brother which has 5 engines.

The next one after that might be a hybrid. A combination of manned and unmanned aircraft with more advanced propulsion.

Next one after that is a prototype of spacecraft. Now, this is the one that I'm most interested. This is one reason why I'm interested in big UFO's, because this spacecraft has to be kinda big in my opinion.


ps: I have actually seen this photo or a photo similar like this in a military magazine a long time ago.

Nice thread.

I do agree that black tech could very likely be responsible for many ufo sightings around the world. I'd say it's about as silly as saying aliens don't exist to think we don't attempt (or have successfully already) to obtain alien tech to advance our own understanding and capabilities...

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reply to post by Jazzyguy


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Just a hint regarding naming and codes for research and operational craft.

TR3a, TR3b and other consective names are usually NOT related programs
and are used as an active dis-information system.

TR3a is what I understand the Bat-wing shaped faster, heavier
more powerful version of the F-117 and possibly codenamed
Manta or Bat...as a two engine craft with upperside nacelles similar
to the B2 but more curvaceous I suspect this has been operational
since the early to-1990's.

I understand the TR3b (Astra, Dart or possibly Grand Canyon) is
the first transatmospheric vehicle possibly an XB-70-like carrier
with a small single-stage to orbit child vehicle that returns under
it's own power to landing sites in Australia and the Western US.

Usually used by the NRO as a satellite deployment vehicle, it might
also be used as a crew delivery vehicle for a small USAF operated
maneuverable space station about the size of one of those
yellow school buses which is used for advanced materials research
and advanced passive optical surveillance.

The point I'm trying to make though is that similar names are usually
NOT similar craft ... For all I know the TR3c could be small-scale combo
manned and unpiloted recon and force projection vehicle to be
delivered and flown from submarines......

You've never heard this before! We must penetrate ET's mind through telepathy. Then their secrets will be revealed. Why not penetrate their minds even if they are interdimensional? I'll put it on my "to do" list. Although, I can now tell you this, I strongly believe they are telepathic. I don't mean to imply that this would be easy. Past attempts have been difficult and have not givin much. --But some has been given. There are many projects, for me. Sometimes I feel overwhelmed. Take care.

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Originally posted by StargateSG7
reply to post by Badge01

 

The analogy of a 17th century scientist receiving a 21st century laptop
is an unfair one to make because if we do have alien craft to take apart, we 21st century people have at least an UNDERSTANDING of the concepts of time, space, field effects, quantum mechanics, nano-technologies, multi-dimensional physics, etc.

What understanding is there of these concepts? We have no mastery of gravitational effects or of the strong and weak nuclear forces. We can build crude bombs and that's it. Scientists can observe some quantum effects, but they do not understand it. "Spooky action at a distance" is the best they can do in many cases to describe 'quantum entanglement'.

We can at least conceive and wrap ourselves around the fact that our
universe is probably multi-dimensional in nature and that there are high probabilities of the existence on multi-force/Zero Point Energy propulsion physics and technologies that are Faster Than Light.

These are merely theories and we have no capabilities to manipulate this through any knowledge or understanding.

If we had a captured or crashed craft it's likely that we'd even be able to open it without destroying it and if we got it moving, there's no assurance that we'd be able to stop it.

A 17th century person has NO CONCEPT AT ALL of any of this!

They had a concept of electricity from observing lightning. This is about the same level we have here - we can observe the effects but we can not construct devices to use it.

We could at least infer, that the skin of an Alien craft MIGHT BE
part of it's propulsion system...that a toroidal ring full of spinning
heavy elements might somehow Block or accentuate quantum effects.

This is pure conjecture using Earth based theories. You're using a theory based on magnetism, which we have some understanding (but not mastery) to try to describe some kind of fantasy effect on 'quantum' effects or fields. Please cite some research.

We HAVE the knowledge that the Alien communications systems
may be based upon "Teleportation" of quantum dots or QuBit states.
We, at the very least, have an inkling that the aliens might be in fact
artificial intelligences DESIGNED and BUILT for space travel using
nano-tech materials and nano-tech computers for brains.

I'd insist we have NO such knowledge. We have no evidence that aliens are here, much less how they or their presumed machines might be operating. In fact, any devices sent to a biological world by an extremely advanced civilization would be best served by being built out of carbon-based materials and would be indistinguishable by the inhabitants from nature.

Our society, through simple progression, has transformed itself such
that WE OURSELVES COULD design and build the very technologies
that I have outlined above and thus we are at the very least,
intellectually capable of deriving SOME scientific understanding
of the basic processes that MIGHT be involved.

Seriously, I doubt we could construct any devices that manipulate gravity or quantum effects with current knowledge. At best we can build some monitoring equipment and that's about it. If you know of more please provide citations.

A 17th Century person would simply see a blank saucer of gleaming metal with no concept that it might take computerized and digitally re-created brain-wave patterns to open the seemless shell of the craft which uses sub-atomic scale electro-motive material stabilization to suddenly fold out a door and staircase from a hunk of what we now know as multi-layered Carbon Nanotubes/Bucky Balls and memory metals.

And, currently, our experience would be the same. We would be unable to open such devices without destroying them.

So it is blatantly unfair to put US 21st Century eggheads
in the same category as 17th century monks-as-scientist......

Interesting post, but I think it would be completely fair and balanced to compare technology built by a sentient civilization designed to travel immense distances and have already advanced to the point where they have a true space-faring nature. You've made some conjecture, but I don't see where you've backed it up. It's all too easy to say we're more advanced than we are, but I see no proof of this.

I tend to think that with everyone and they're grandma lookin' at the sky, that they are creating just the distraction they want you to see.....all the good stuff is going on under the ground.

Speaking from personal experience I can tell you they are doing things down there other than "air traffic control". No, I haven't been down there my self......but I do have a source. He worked "about 60 stories underground" in the middle of Nebraska. He won't talk though, which is weird being a friend who knows I wouldn't throw him under the bus.

I have tried many times to get confirmation of any stories. A lot of my questions were answered with " I can't talk about it...".

I can tell you : "nothing you will ever see, or know about.." is down there.

Still, I ask you this....

WHAT IS THE NAVY DOING HUNDREDS OF FEET BELOW GROUND IN NEBRASKA?

The good stuff is deep, deep under ground far away from prying eyes.

reply to post by Badge01



The point we are trying to make is that there are only so many ways you can do something,and no matter how far advanced you are we are at a point were we could atleast comprehend your technologyand like I said if you can comprehend it you can build it.Because if a race is that far advanced they probably don't exist in our dimension anymore and likely can't interact with our dimension.