Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions

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I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ. I have done about 50 hours of research on UFOs and aliens after I watched the Disclosure Project. I have to say, it reaffirms my belief in God due to a multitude of reasons.

Cliff also indirectly quotes scripture to conveys what he means like "the truth will set me free". I too have used words like that in my Christian walk and God have mercy on me if I used them in vain. From a Christian's point of view (for me at least), this alone pushes one's credibility to the extremes of either a wolf in sheep's skin or that his heart is in fact uncorrupted.

Aliens are about us, as opposed to them. They are us. We are them. The universal humanoid blueprint. They are the physical revelation of ourselves.

Just as I thought. Cliff got on here and tried to tell his same stories without any new evidence. He was asked a few tough questions and then he disappeared. We're left with Joe Z, a Cliff Stone follower with no real ability, authority or information to convey. Next! We need to focus on solid evidence not fanciful storytelling

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What is an Intro Page? All I can tell you. I know Clifford for over (10) years, we did a lot of research together. I meet him in Roswell, when I worked out there. For the last (10) year, I have been doing research based on what we talked about for the last years. I'm in the aerospace industry, and I want to see disclosure done in a proper process. I been with Clifford in D.C. in 2001, and the rest is history. I'm involved in spuntk, trying to get Clifford's stuff (documents, pictures and video) out to the public. By the grace of God, I will be able to do this with help from others. We are all here for reason; maybe my mission is to help Clifford.

God bless,
Joe Z

Hi Joe

Say hi to Cliff for me and send him my best.

I no this might be off post a little but what are your thoughts or knowledge on the Apollo 20 so called mission concerning a large ship on the dark side of the moon.
Is this a hoax? as a guy who calls himself Retiredafb is posting supposed Ex Nasa videos of this mission and findings on Utube and Revver.com.


Regards BDU

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Originally posted by Bob Down Under
a guy who calls himself Retiredafb is posting supposed Ex Nasa videos of this mission and findings on Utube and Revver.com.

That kook has been discredited I dont know how many times now.

Total hoax!!!!

Hi I have read mr Stone's claims, I want to give him my respect for his child loss, it's the most terrible thing to happen.I'm writing from greece and I'd like to say a few things on the UFO theme:
1) Mr. Stone says that the "entity" he communicates with is named korona.The word is corona in ancient greek it is κορώνη and it means crown.All this alien theme is scary because I believe that they are demons.If you have heard or read father Seraphim Rose's book "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future" you'll have come to this conclusion too.I have read for some american ufo investigators who have left the field identifying it as demonic and dangerous.Mr J.Vallee also points that the ufo theme is connected with the paranormal.
2)My second testimony is the following:In greece there is the so called Agion Oros or Holy Mountain ancient orthodox christian monastic society.It's more than 1000 years old.In it there are 2000 to 2500 monks.Some of them are enlighted and gifted by God.People can visit the place, even you as a tourist can visit it.It has a specific procedure.The gifted monks I talk about can speak to you in your name without having met you, they can tell you your sins your inner thoughts, things only you know.To others they haave told of things of the future as advice.It's the gifts of Holy Spirit for their faith and humble way of life and the true repedance for their sins.Like the fathers in Egypt in the time of Saint Antony and like in the acts of the Apostoles.Miracles are a daily reality there.I do not lie, please ask or visit the place if you can.A gifted Elder from Mount Athos was asked for the ufo matter and he replied that "Lord Jesus Christ made the earth the only place in the universe with life and that all these things are tricks of satan and demons.He adviced him to stay away from it because such an issue can affect you psycologically in a bad way.
Dear brothers and sisters in our forum, because we all human are brothers and sisters, I would like to remind you that in Genesis man is God's crown in the creation.In our years we see the signs of the times and it is scary.If you see the supposed messages of these beings in the called "channelers" they say that we human are gods that Jesus Christ was sent of them or enlighted.It's one of the last cards demons play, they appear as aliens.If u remember Crowly's demon lam it was scetched by him like the typical large headed gray.Every time I see a "gray" "alien" or "ufo" scetch it frightens me.
They're demons and they're here to decieve as "extraterrestrials".
May God have mercy on our souls, who knows what comes ahead.

It terrifies me most when I think that sirs and ladies like Mr Stone say that they have seen "aliens".Can you imagine that if many people of these are honest, that they have seen demons in physical forms?It's so shocking and annoying.Could mr Stone also be tricked in that way?

Mr Stone I do not doubt your confession but sir they are demons the so called korona is a demon too.That is why your health and family were affected,please be very careful from them.

May Jesus Christ protects all His children and may the Holy Virgin Mary protect us all.The foul beasts are afraid of Her and shake in Christ's name and Her nme.


Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me the shinner.

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What are the possibilities?
That there's a god creator and evil in the form of "daemons"
I think it more likely that we are living in a simulated reality than these
Why did God created men to his image? If you analyze it, it simply sounds like something ideated by the human mind, why would that, that might lay beyond, have such human attributes, if Christianity talks about a "humanized god" just as there were other gods in the times of the greeks and the romans and we consider those myths, could Christianity also be a myth? If there's something "beyond" that we don't know, how could we explain it? anything that we don't know, would be related with what we "see" and know, humans knew about fear and they talked about "daemons", who paints themselves, who sculpts themselves? so then we imagined a god creator.

Still.... the discovery of America was associated with religion, spaniards thought that natives and their culture were demonized, the natives thought the spaniards were gods... none was true.

So did you meet any aliens?

if so, how did they evolve? How is it possible that humanoids evolved elsewhere?

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As you mention the ancient greeks I will tell you why they could be demons.In greece now there is a movement of neopagans who worship the old 12 gods.They are racists, they believe that their gods, the "olympians" as they call them, came from the star Sirius and made the ancient greeks a superior race and that all the other races are inferior.They're antisemitsc hate jews and christians because they come from an opposite alien group!!!The olympians sent a message to one neopagan's computer for a meeting in Olympos mountain,there they showed them their saucer crafts and promised to restore the old order and values!!!In private conversations they are in favor of polygamy and not against pedophilia, it is educational.If you ask them these they deny it, their sites in greek say that their gods are enlighted spiritual beings who'll help mankind.They even believe in a fantastic group called "epsiilon team" of supposedly high intellectual rich greeks and greek scientists who with the help of olympians will make greece dominant again and establish the old values.This system is racist antisimetic and has analogies with the superiority and thule beliefs the nazis had.You can check these two links in wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org... and en.wikipedia.org... So YOU are inferior because of your Dna and because you're not a child of the olympians but you're from the opposing jew allien race. They make claims on ancient monuments and temples that they should worship their gods there.They say that plato and socrates were in group epsilon.But if you read Plato's work you'll understand that he denounces the polytheism atributing it to peoples ignorance ( gods who drink, are jealous have affairs and are mischevious?) also Socrates was executed with the accusation of corrupting the youth and "giving new customs".

This false historic and racism neo pagan movement is active in other european countries too.These groups work together and want to be recognised as state religions.In Uk in Norway.The morons in Uk worship the religion of Celts and Druids and make claims on Stonehedge if you have heard.While the stonehedge monument was built in 2000 BC and had nothing to do with the celts who came in england in 500bc or later?

So you wonder why all this racism, distortion of history?Who are these "alien" "gods" and their saucers who'll restore the ancient order?ayybe demons?pawns of the new age-NWO movement?

They work as the cults and sects do.They beautify their beliefs with words like the scientologists and other cults do.They try to promote their propaganda in forums, maybe they have written here too of the old and ancient values the greek ways and gods.In the meantime they're old fat and ugly mostly.And some of them uneducated but some are rich with degrees and they're new age movement followers.
Check this www.youtube.com...

Also here the F@#$@#g morons have posted images. www.youtube.com...

It's the Poseidon ( neptune ) temple in Sounion Athens.They're so historically ignorants and distorters.The temple was athenian and the morons wear laekedemonean ( spartan ) military clothes in red. It's on the 1:30 of the video.Spartan warrios would never be allowed there in antiquity, they would be enemy state soldiers armed in a temple.Would an armed russian company be allowed in an american church in NY? Would armed israely soldiers be allowed in Mecca?

What do you think that these alien olympian gods and their saucers are if not demons?
In the video you see a fat cow in a sheet with modern clothes under it

The ancient priestesses though wore light clothes and were thin

reply to post by eudokimon


Hi,
I'm new to this forum and UFOs/aliens in general. I've done about 70 hours of my own research since I watched the Disclosure Project conference. I have singled out Clifford Stone and have done most of my research on him. Long story short, I'm starting to believe than not.

To the Christians out there on this forum, I'm with you in saying that there is certainly a spiritual aspect to this. I am a believer in Jesus Christ and Clifford Stone's testimony is very consistent Biblical perspectives of UFOs. We are dealing with the paranormal here - with Good and fallen Angels. At first I was skeptical of physical craft used by Angels etc. but it is entirely possible as it is scriptual. Korona may be a good angel or demon but trust your Spirit to know the truth.

Mr Stone, your claim of super-human abilities, telepathic communication (or feeling), inter-dimensional beings, them choosing who to contact are consistent with Angels/demons. You also claim that something along the lines of "the grey's will come forward and claim that they created Christ". I don't know how you know this but this refers to the End of Age. If there is one question I would like to ask is that how you actually know this.

If the conspiracy claims are true, governments are in fact dealing with the paranormal - perhaps demons. I don't have all the explainations either but I can tell everyone now, the Spiritual world is a reality. Dealings at this level are extremely dangerous is the least I can say.

Mr Stone, I don't know you but I respect you. Your claims are consistent throughout all the material that I've seen and you say things with conviction. Your FOIA successes deserve praise. However, I still have my final reservations in believing in this sort of thing. The last card you can play is a wolf in sheep's skin - that is the power of the true deceiver. But I'm much more inclined to believe than not.

I hope your health improves and that all your brokeness be healed.

trillian

Originally posted by EN-LIGHTEN
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Sgt. Stone,

I read that you are not feeling well. I hope that you are well and rejoining this forum soon. I asked the question regarding reptilian genetic connection, because there are many of us that are being held by the government against our will. You may already know about this, but it is because of our advanced abilities that make us valuable. As we share a strain of genetic alien DNA. We know more about the reptilians and their intentions. We are often used for the purpose to advance one government against the other for the elite position in world domination that is to come.

You are right in saying that at one time, The United Stated Government had a contract with the reptilians. However, they realized that they could not enforce the agreement with the reptilians. So, now that there is no longer a contract. The reptilians offered elite positions to political and powerful families in exchange for the silence of Alien abductions and experiments. The devices that the abductees find within their bodies are not to track people on earth. Many want to know what do they want? If humans knew the truth of themselves, then they would find the answer and have complete understanding of their questions. Sgt. Stone, many may not believe you, and it is in human nature to do so.

Be Well,
EN-LIGHTEN

So En-lighten, I suppose you are an insider as well? I'm not sure which is more worrying, your claims or Cliff's.

The truth about ourselves: that we are created in the image of God? (and all its implications)


trillian

OK! STOP WITH THE PARANORMAL AND RELIGION, DAEMONS AND GODS!
If any subject is to be taken seriously, we have to be rational and look at the evidence

You know a funny thing I've heard is that we shouldn't blame God for the problems of this planet, because we are the ones who make all the suffering... so then we are the ones that'll have to solve them and when we do maybe someone will say: thank God!

Now for those who might say that evolution can't explain the diversity of life on earth and that divine creation is likely the answer and that, then, probably it would also be the only explanation for: Why are ETs humanoid? then...

Two theories

1. They are the creation of the same God that created us, thus similar creations to us,
therefore angels and demons could come into play. Evidence for creationism? The Bible, biblical interpretations

2. They are the product of evolution from a common ancestor of theirs, they've evolved into a similar human anatomy. Evidence for evolution? fossils, anatomic similarities among species (homologies), distribution in time and space, mutations... now which are the mechanisms of evolution? natural selection which can be proven, for instance see the Galapagos finches, however natural selection is not the only mechanism "transgenerational epigenetic inheritance" could also play a key role in evolution (see links at the end)

convergent evolution:
"The independent development of similar structures or capabilities in organisms that are not directly related. The frequency with which convergent evolution, or convergence, has occurred on Earth supports the idea that certain basic anatomical structures and physiological mechanisms might be common among life forms throughout the Universe."

"Icthyosaur (reptile), whale (mammal), and fish are similar in appearance but have a very different ancestry"

www.schools.net.au...
Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab:
www.newscientist.com...
Stick insect forces evolutionary rethink:
www.newscientist.com...

Teach both theories, let the kids decide:

"I have never believed in the theory of birth by sexual reproduction and, like many people, believe in teaching that the stork is responsible. I believe science points to stork theory but our schools are teaching a very narrow remit and many exclude alternative theories to sexual reproduction. I have asked the Council to write to local schools encouraging them to give equality of treatment to other theories of the origins of life and how babies come into existence."

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Hello Clifford,
Much has been said about the problems the human race faces. What do you know, if anything, about the imperfections of our alien brothers/sisters? They too, I assume, must face their own social crises and difficulties despite their advances. For example, even if they may have conquered poverty, do they suffer new issues. I think this is relevant because it may be a way not to idolize aliens and maybe understand them more.

Thanks

I do want to believe these ETs are our brothers and sisters from other planets, God's creations like we are. The idea of us being part of a universal family, travelling to other planets, living on other planets and getting new friends from other planets couldn't make me more happier.

But there is only one and very big problem. We are still stuck here on earth as dying and suffering humans. As if because of something and waiting for something that would change everything and gave us the purpose of life. It is interesting to hear claims that ETs are visiting on earth, but it is also interesting to see that these ETs seem to be also "stuck", as if they have been prevented to do anything dramatic (like revealing themselves to the world and helping humans, removing the death, helping all of us to get to other planets etc.). Why? Well, of course, because it would be against God's plan and will. How could God and Jesus ever judge the world, or Jesus come back on earth, if we will be travelling with ETs to other planets.

"For he [God] has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man [Jesus] he has appointed" (Acts 17:31).

I admit that ETs are a difficult subject to be discussed with non-religious people if you yourself have a biblical view of things. But I think it is good for all of us to believe, at least a little bit, in opposite views, to be open-minded so that we are not surprised if something unbelievable happens in future. It may save us from troubles.

Religious people, like I am, tend to see ETs as demons, fallen angels, because that is the only conclusion from the Bible. According to the Bible, paranormal beings are either evil demons (fallen angels, including Satan) or good angels, and then there is of course Jesus and God. But no mention of ETs from other planets. So why should religious people start believing in ETs from other planets on the basis of that?

Here is a religious comment taken from another forum:

"The "aliens" are nothing more than the fallen angels spoken of in the Bible. Greys, reptilians, nordics, whatever caste of fallen angel they are, they are NOT to be trusted. They lie to humans and hate us because we were made in the image of the Almighty God, and the Bible says one day we will judge them. They can't stand this, that the children of the Almighty God will judge them, so they do everything within their power to distort the truth and destroy us and keep us from the saving power of Jesus Christ and the inheritance we have through Him. And the only reason they haven't completely destroyed us/earth so far is because they can do nothing outside the will of the Almighty God. - - Don't believe their lies! Even those who work closely with them admit to their penchant for lying. They know their time of judgment is approaching very, very soon, so you can expect them to ratchet up the deception."

www.godlikeproductions.com...

Considering the size of the universum, I think it is very possible that God has created other beings living on other planets. From the biblical point of view, however, I would see that God is going to judge the world before we are allowed to get to other planets.

Wouldn't that be magnificent to travel all around the universe and explore different planets, get to know different beings, when you have time, not just 70-80 years, but forever. I believe that this is God's plan in future but not yet.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

So I don't want to claim that all ETs visiting on earth are demons, but I am just suspicious and I just want to warn all of us (whether you are religious or non-religious), as you can always ask yourself: where are these deceiving demons of which the Bible is warning us.



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Originally posted by LastStandingMan
Religious people, like I am, tend to see ETs as demons, fallen angels, because that is the only conclusion from the Bible.

I agree and think this also, but on the other side of the coin I cannot accept that God would create this MASSIVE universe and then only populate the earth.
Thats impossible in my opinion, it just doesnt make sense.

So therefore there have to be aliens, and it only makes sense that some planets are highly advanced, and have mastered space travel.

Perhaps the answer is demons are aliens, and some aliens are good while others are bad.
Or in other words, some of the aliens are 'fallen" while others are not

Sorry but the bible and all your believes are based only on belief.
The bible is a book, that can't be proven, it was written over a thousand years ago
Besides the gospels, there's no substantial archeological evidence for the figure Jesus

Look at history:
The bible was a book of the place where it was written, it didn't talk about other races of men, neither ETs, if you are going to use the Bible as a source of interpretation, you could also use Harry Potter

You have to look at the evidence for evolution, you believe in ETs, ATS is for denying ignorance, if you don't look at the evidence you are an ignorant, there's no evidence for creationism, and
CREATION WITHIN NATURE'S PROCESSES, ITSELF is far more incredible than the idea of an external source separate from nature as the source of creation, that is spontaneous generation, that life suddenly surged from inanimate matter by a divine being, an old mythical idea, in the other hand evolution and science looks beyond to rationally explain how it truly came to be
THE THEORY THAT can't explain the diversity of life and complexity of the Universe is creationism, because in other way it is referring to a spontaneous creation,
those people who say that evolution and science can't explain it, well it can, look at all the hard work and evidence, that can explain diversity and that can explain life, not just say that it suddenly happen, that's an old belief based on belief, if YOU are going to tell me that these marvelous universe and life that surrounds me just suddenly happen and that there's nothing more to it, well that's so lame, boring and inconclusive... if you are going to show me nature's processes, physical forces, the marveling huge TIME, etc. then that's so interesting, passionate, full of philosophical thinking that could go beyond the retarding idea of just one creator, let's not be so proud to belief that everything is about us, let us accept that the forces that gave birth to these universe go even beyond the notion of an individual that's going to judge us!! an individual, with human attributes, who gets angry, that's ridiculous, time has been running for so much, let us not idealize all these that surrounds us and that we can't fully understand and attribute it to one being, very much like us, how? I mean I could judge what people do, the bad things and the good things go beyond simply dividing everything into the divine and the evil! its about the circumstances of life, it goes far beyond that... everything goes beyond the ideas of the bible, everything is more marvelous than that, it doesn't end with that BOOK!

BEING OPEN MINDED, DOESN'T MEANs BEING IGNORANT...I could believe that there are greater conscious forces than human individuality... sure...

but yes, the bible is just a book that isn't even the original oneS, read about the beginnings of christianity, but research, don't just believe what the bible tells YOU, because that's being narrow minded in my opinion






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I just watched Clifford interviewed by Project Camelot, and I have to say after listening to you Clifford, you sound ridgey didge to me mate.

Thankyou for all your words and efforts.

rock on!

Z

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without getting too off topic let me clear things up in relation to God and my belief in God. Consider the prospect of absolute and relative truth. Our world views. Our individual perspectives on anything we have ever concieved. Everything is a belief. George Orwell taught us that 2+2=4 is a belief and not a fact. Perhaps truth is a noun not an adjective.

I grew up in a secular family and I got saved at 22 years of age. If I testify to why I really became Christian I don't think any secular person would believe me. My testimony will forever have zero proof - inherently less than alien/UFO claims. I used to be somewhat anti-Christian for various reasons but here I am, a Christian. I know both sides to the argument but to save us from arguing with 1000 word posts: we'll all find out the truth when we die.

Both John Lear and Clifford Stone (apparently they know each other) both claim of an alien species coming forward to say they created Christ. To a non-believer in either aliens or religion, this is truly whacked and insane. For me, it rings a bell. You have to wonder how they know this and what the connection is between aliens and Christ. Maybe it's bs, maybe it isn't but it's part of their claims.

Also consider that about 3 billion people, almost half the world, live on USD$2 a day - this is not a conspiracy nor is it "hidden truth". If anyone really knew why this is, they will realise it has always been about ourselves. Sometimes, the lie is out there and the truth is right in front of us.


trillian

What’s interesting is some species can read each others minds, but there’s no anger or mistrust in them because they are at a higher spiritual level then us. They come from a more trusting and giving life style. If you see how they think, you can understand how they don't understand war, that's why they are seen at a lot of conflicts in the world. We should learn from them.

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My question: Do they universally disprove of our wars or do some of them participate or even encourage our wars and conflicts? Tks!