Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions

reply to post by rjmelter


What's your point?

I asked you specific questions and asked you to back up what you said, you can't do it so you post random stuff instead....ok

reply to post by blupblup


I did not miss your post, i just feel it is unwarranted to follow the path you are taking its off the beaten path.

What I DID post was not random it was what Cliff had mentioned.

In the light of Cliff's Dissappearnce... when he comes back after a month or longer... this is what hes welcomed back with.

The name TROLL comes to mind.

and.. no blup im not calling you a kid, im saying if you did the nan nan a bo bo thing it would be childish. but I said IF YOU SAID THAT... not that you had. I said if the events occur and the truth is not in my favor but yours then you woul dhave that right but it would be kiddish. Any more questions?

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Cliff,

Joe has been saying that yall are trying to bring to light certain... things. My question is why dont you document them publically on ATS. That said I am assuming the Freedom of Information act papers? or others? If they are ...others. You have no legal rights to repost or show them around. Just find some guy who wants to go to jail and let him make copys and hand them out to everyone. Im assuming that is what the problem is here. U2U me with more details if you can.

Truth is the Ultimate Truth. (oxy-moron i know)

The Truth is existance, it is what is and has always been and it is the element that our minds corrupt so that we dont have to face the reality of the truth because some cannot bare it. Legal status says you cant do anything because it would either corrupt the truth or bring to light the truth.

My mind has the hardest problem in the world comprehending how others think. If you ask me somethign I state my hoenst oppinion. If you ask for my honest oppinion, i tell you . I dont like lies and I dont lie much. Others... do.

If I were you... if at all possible. I would go to the people who have threatened you and say hey look I will give you this paperwork if you give me a good enough reason why I shouldnt expose this information. The truth probably is this... (because i have a hard time belieiving all government is a horrible entity) They are probably protecting us. You should come to the south like Georgia and see how racist they are here. I wouldn't want a bandwagon of these folks near aliens. They would blow their heads off with their DEER HUNTING RIFLES. They dont need a reason to do so. All they need is their fear. America has to stop airing fearful TV, get citizens off their butts and doing something productive in their spare time that is what "needs" to happen. We have created a viscious cycle of events that wont let us escape. According to a show i watched by Dr Steven Greer, he or someone had stated that the being he was in contact with wants him to expose the truth so that they being can start making themselves known. I thought thats probably true because this is our planet. It serves us and we serve it. Other beings have no authority to change events as they see fit so it must be us welcoming them... and we arent. Nobody is. I mean we have Alien Killing games like Area 51, and X-Com UFO not to mention countless others. People want others to be afraid. And Accroding to Dr Steven Greer also a Government conspiracy was created to abduct people and make them afraid. I think the Government is Afraid that we will no longer need them... what would 1.5 Million War Combatants do without jobs. It will change the face of the planet forever and humans just arent ready. They should be... but we are cowards. Even the big guns in washington.... or maybe its just greedy. Who knows. Who really cares. ? Does anyone care anymore? We are dumbed down sheeeple. All we need is someone to flock us in a direction.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by rjmelter]

reply to post by rjmelter


Point taken on off topic posts, you are right.
All i wanted was a response to my questions, and how honourable of you to decide now is the time to stop discussing with me....after i'd backed you into a corner.....you accused me off things, i asked you to back it up, you can't...therefore i'm done.

just a polite reminder though....do not post LIES about somebody, and then squirm out of it the way you have.
If you cannot back up what you say then don't say it.

reply to post by blupblup


Have you really backed me into a corner? If you had.. since it is you speaking your words are coming from your perception of reality... you are saying that you are backing me in a corner... being aggressive is exactly what you are saying. You are admitting it!? I mean seriously NEED I SAY MORE?

I am not going to waste my time to discredit your oppinion especially when it is similar to mine, except I beleive half of what these guys are saying. I beleive they have the information but need money. I mean hell, Cliff and others have lost a lot when they try to expose the truth. They need money... THAT SAID we are assuming this is a money making scheme because the way they have backed off... now that Cliff is back you are bullying him int oa corner. I POSTED A VERY BLUNT POST in order to state my oppinoin (my perception of reality) for Cliff and Joe Z to understand so that they know how others feel. I WASNT ACCUSING them of anything. Just stating that my feelings are turning negative because their lack of response and then Cliff comes back in to PROVE that his intent is not that of negative... Then YOU COME IN and start bashing him. Yeah sure im fussing and arguing over this. But there is no point in your continual banter because Cliff wont respond to you. Any Ex-Military knows its pointless to argue with people who want to argue. All they want is to argue, they will argue anything, even the truth they will try to argue with. Thats what I think is going on. He has no NEED to respond. Why waste his time if the results are far away from exspected and deserved.

I do have doubts because of the Large gap in time because of cliffs time away from this Thread. That however is the only reason. I am sorry for Cliffs Loss' unfortunately due to the nature of his intent... -Good- others will seek to destroy his happiness and life without destroying him. It is the ultimate loss. To destroy a persons life around them and leave them in Fear, and let them live. And BLUP your doing the exact same thing. REREAD all the posts and actually READ and understand why CLIFF does NOT want to come forward, but why he does at the same time. Maybe you would understand. Cliff isn't trying to pull a fast one on you *imho*. SO back down and let him speak.

IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU WANT TO ARGUE. Every time i post a reply yours is a quick response back then your edit it a couple times in response because you should have WAITED first. But when you intentionally back people in corners it does get rough. Sometimes though the one in the corner has to realize, he has no business in the corner at all... so he leaves you... waiting for your next victim. Im done blup.

Cliff if I can help U2U me. Im not really stating that to be nice. I want to do whatever I can... so im respectfully hoping you will accept the offer.

Sgt Stone, I have been reading up on your case (the Vietnam one, mainly) and must say I believe it. I hope you do write a book on your experiences and include as many photos and documents as possible. It would make for a badly needed reference book. There are too many books out that have no information or first hand accounts (The last really good one was "Captured" about the Betty and Barney Hill case.) I hope you the best of health, and may your many good friends help with the research and putting it together. I am very curious about the types of aliens (and possible illustrations).
I must also apologize for my last post as I thought you were "channeling" the aliens. Telepathy is very different, and all the credible cases the witnesses communicated with the aliens telepathically.

As a veteran of the AF, I want to thank you for your service. Many of my friends from the Vietnam era said they were "volunteered" for many jobs they did not want.
Thank you for taking your time to write this post, and thanks to your many friends who help you out.

reply to post by rjmelter


"I was debunking this thread early on but have since stopped out of pity."


Those are Hammanderrs words, not mine...yet you chose to take it up with me.
Cliff addressed his response to hammanderr, i addressed cliff because he seemed angry....then you attack me??

That's it....you carry on rambling and avoiding the point's i made because you were in the wrong.


I do not want to argue, but you make it difficult because you cannot admit you are wrong...you posted rubbish about me, won't retract it or back up any points you made and generally use deflection amateurishly.

[edit on 10/9/08 by blupblup]

reply to post by blupblup


LOL Stands for Laughing Out Loud

THAT IS WHAT IM DOING NOW

I did not accuse you of saying those things. I copied all of cliffs posts in the short time that he came back and posted those to OVERLAP what me and you were saying ( as we were going off topic). I never said you said those things in any way shape or form.

Thanks for proving your point of wanting to argue.

(Came back to provide a little insight into the truth...) Im not the one fabricating things here Bluppers... you are.

reply to post by rjmelter

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by blupblup

 

its kinda funny that every thread that i find with your disagreeing with someone and ill quote you "im not trying to belittle you". Say it once i beleive you say it twice i beleive you, say it three times i doubt it... say it 4 times... your a liar.

So you are a LIAR, and clearly a very sly person...thanks for showing that to everyone!!

You called me a liar..and said every thread you find me on disagreeing with people i say "im not trying to belittle you".....That is BS and you know it, which is why you can't back it up.

You made me do it....


Thanks you and good night

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by rjmelter

 

"I was debunking this thread early on but have since stopped out of pity."


Those are Hammanderrs words, not mine...yet you chose to take it up with me.
Cliff addressed his response to hammanderr, i addressed cliff because he seemed angry....then you attack me??

That's it....you carry on rambling and avoiding the point's i made because you were in the wrong.

I do not want to argue, but you make it difficult because you cannot admit you are wrong...you posted rubbish about me, won't retract it or back up any points you made and generally use deflection amateurishly.

[edit on 10/9/08 by blupblup]

Do not be an ignorant fool.

because I DID say you try to belittle the people you disagree with.

WHAT YOU WERE SAYING is in quotes above ... im quoting you quoting me.

"I was debunking this thread early on but have since stopped out of pity."

OK. THE CONNECTION you are making does not EXIST. GO to bed... try again in the morning.

reply to post by rjmelter

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by blupblup

 

its kinda funny that every thread that i find with your disagreeing with someone and ill quote you "im not trying to belittle you". Say it once i beleive you say it twice i beleive you, say it three times i doubt it... say it 4 times... your a liar.

So you are a LIAR, and clearly a very sly person...thanks for showing that to everyone!!

You called me a liar..and said every thread you find me on disagreeing with people i say "im not trying to belittle you".....That is BS and you know it, which is why you can't back it up.

You made me do it....


Thanks you and good night




Just to help i re-posted.
I actually think you may have trouble addressing the issues we are talking about...seriously....slow down, read what YOU wrote about me...and then address THOSE issues...please....i will leave the thread and not bother you again...this is ridiculous and is becoming tiresome....can somebody else please help because this person can't do this by themselves.

Points to address.

1. You said i can't debunk personal opinion, I proved otherwise.


2. You encouraged everyone to backtrack through my posts and see how i say to everyone i disagree with "i'm not trying to belittle you".
you could not back this up when asked by me, and it is a blatant LIE.






Retract it or carry on avoiding it and playing games....up to you.







[edit on 10/9/08 by blupblup]

reply to post by blupblup


Going through your posts i've only gone through about 10 at the moment and here is this section.. www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=blupblup

Where your trying to debunk the poster.

The ones Im referring to are several months old and not listed in the 250 i have so far seen but I will find them, no worries bluppers buddy. Perhaps though we should create a debunking the DisInfo Agent Bluppers thread though.

And I dont have to say anything about debunking personal oppinion. What are you going to go into someones head and debunk their existance. People beleive what they want to beleive thats what I meant. Not the literal since that you like to refer to. Im sure your Atheist however because you ahve to have physical evidence... this is why you are starting on cliff.

Edit to add:

Why again do i have to anwser to you about debunking personal oppinion? Just wondering. Im glad your not in Government. Your the type to go after Cliff with shere ignorance of truth.

Edit to add:

Another post of you trying to destroy a poster...thats only 12 posts i checked.
www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=blupblup

Edit to add:

www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=blupblup

another group of posts where you analyze the situation and try to take over. A little bit too controlling arent we? yes I said WE.
In that post you get very offenseive and defensive just likethis... Repeated patterns.... Looking for the quote worthy posts at the moment tho

[edit on 10-9-2008 by rjmelter]

reply to post by rjmelter


ha...thought so...ahhh never mind, all in your head.

Anyway, glad you chose that particular example , i was actually relatively polite compared to some, and did you see the stars....nice huh?

that's people agreeing or enjoying the comment

Nice try, but honestly....don't flatter me because i'll get a big head


You my friend look silly to any reading this now, you have been shown for what you are... a liar and a deflector.
It would say i've enjoyed it but honestly....it's been bizarre.



[edit on 10/9/08 by blupblup]

reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE


Hello Cliff, I just want to say thank you for creating this thread. I keep a open mind about your testimony, and at the very least what you have to say is very interesting.

In a previous post you said that:

Those things that ATS are interested in will never be compromised by me (my granddaughter holds those documents). But I want the truth out. Not that which I say, but the truth as reflected in the documentation.

I am sorry if I misinterpret what you wrote, and if so, could you please clarify. When you say compromise, do you mean to say there are documents that you are not at liberty to reveal to the public at this time. Is it your intention to find a way to release this information through official channels ?

Finally, I understand you have been given some level of permission to reveal what you know. Are there any specific limits to this, and do you believe that there is a effort by the governments of the world to bring about disclosure in the near future in a responsible manner ?

I wish you good health and you have my respect, and thanks again for you time.

reply to post by rjmelter


Also, we are not finding people i've disagreed with.

You said specifically that i say to everyone i disagree with "I'm not trying to belittle you".

You are unbelievable.....how many times.....

reply to post by blupblup


Coming from the psychological angle and analyzing what you just said.

You are worried about appearance you showed pleasure in the fact that i cant find the posts I am looking for. Pleasure because the opposite is fear you showed excessive pleasure in the fact because you were fearful that I would find them but havent.

Then you go on to state that IM looking a bit foolish... No but when you post that im looking foolish others would assume to follow your path of judging me and passing judgments (which is predominantly what happens with control freaks)

Then at the beggining you desribe yourself as being kinder then most... stating that you are not normally... so. And the fact that you desribed that shows its in your head that you know your not normally kinder then most...

THEN you posted again just now trying to belittle me...

minimize: cause to seem less serious; play down; "Don't belittle his influence"
disparage: express a negative opinion of; "She disparaged her student's efforts"
diminish: lessen the authority, dignity, or reputation of; "don't belittle your colleagues"

Read your own posts... We are human your going to find something to belittle me with. Its all about control and power.... I have already stated the ones specifically im looking for are outdated and not in the read out of your posts cause you post like 30 a day. Continue on. I know your going to say something smart in response to this.

Moderators- I would recommend banning myself and blup blup from this perticular thread. I personally will interfere however when I see you trying to belittle and disgrace someone who has been through enough as it is Blup. I cannot believe how superior you feel you are. Myself too for that matter because im actually arguing with you... at first to humor you... but now feeling like i must prove myself to you? Get real... because I am. THIS IS CLIFFS THREAD GET BACK ON TOPIC or LEAVE.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by rjmelter]

Originally posted by kidflash2008
Sgt Stone, I have been reading up on your case (the Vietnam one, mainly) and must say I believe it. I hope you do write a book on your experiences and include as many photos and documents as possible. It would make for a badly needed reference book. There are too many books out that have no information or first hand accounts (The last really good one was "Captured" about the Betty and Barney Hill case.) I hope you the best of health, and may your many good friends help with the research and putting it together. I am very curious about the types of aliens (and possible illustrations).
I must also apologize for my last post as I thought you were "channeling" the aliens. Telepathy is very different, and all the credible cases the witnesses communicated with the aliens telepathically.

As a veteran of the AF, I want to thank you for your service. Many of my friends from the Vietnam era said they were "volunteered" for many jobs they did not want.
Thank you for taking your time to write this post, and thanks to your many friends who help you out.

Originally posted by bloodsearch
reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE

 

Hello Cliff, I just want to say thank you for creating this thread. I keep a open mind about your testimony, and at the very least what you have to say is very interesting.

In a previous post you said that:

Those things that ATS are interested in will never be compromised by me (my granddaughter holds those documents). But I want the truth out. Not that which I say, but the truth as reflected in the documentation.

I am sorry if I misinterpret what you wrote, and if so, could you please clarify. When you say compromise, do you mean to say there are documents that you are not at liberty to reveal to the public at this time. Is it your intention to find a way to release this information through official channels ?

Finally, I understand you have been given some level of permission to reveal what you know. Are there any specific limits to this, and do you believe that there is a effort by the governments of the world to bring about disclosure in the near future in a responsible manner ?

I wish you good health and you have my respect, and thanks again for you time.

reply to post by rjmelter


You are an extremely strange person...seriously.
I posted second because you kept editing your post with examples of me arguing with people? posting stuff that isn't relevant to what i asked of you...ie: finding the posts where i say to "everyone" i disagree with "i'm not trying to belittle you"....you've already disproved yourself by posting the examples you have????

I don't need your psycho-babble thanks....

YOU...yes YOU told everyone to read my posts. ...so you addressed the "crowd" before me.


You sir, are an extremely deceitful and dishonest person, and i wish i never had the misfortune of getting in to this with you and exposing you for what you are.

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by rjmelter

 

You are an extremely strange person...seriously.
I posted second because you kept editing your post with examples of me arguing with people? posting stuff that isn't relevant to what i asked of you...ie: finding the posts where i say to "everyone" i disagree with "i'm not trying to belittle you"....you've already disproved yourself by posting the examples you have????

I don't need your psycho-babble thanks....

YOU...yes YOU told everyone to read my posts. ...so you addressed the "crowd" before me.


You sir, are an extremely deceitful and dishonest person, and i wish i never had the misfortune of getting in to this with you and exposing you for what you are.

The only examples people use are examples they understand ... Normally using themselves (the type of person they are).

I know how you have said you dont try to belittie anyone...BUT speech people. If ATS even wishes to cooperate in such a matter I would ask them to resurrect the thread post but the limit is 250 and they probably wont but if they would lets do it. You sir are even at the moment trying to belittle me.

You are saying im strange, seriously...
I am dishonest,
deceitful,

AND AGAIN will you ignore this? I CANT FIND THE POSTS. I Should have checked first but I cannot. And then your on and on about see you couldn't find anything your horrible. "Everyone come to my aid and Judge RjMelter" Hes A Strange and dishonest deceitful liar. lol. I dont care what people think about me. I know what youve said in the past... and in the midst of it...Those things you said about me are only true for one individual here... and its not me Blup. -When you point at me you got 3 pointing back- 3X as much... Remember that.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by rjmelter]

Originally posted by blupblup
majic, If the way the thread works has changed, i apologise...but as far as i'm aware, we are aloud to disagree with and respectfully question mr. stone.
Springer himself said that i believe.
I am not trying to belittle or offend or tarnish the thoughts and views of this obviously well respected and well loved man, however i still (like with any other person who posts on here)have the right to ask for some proof or backup evidence.
I really want to believe but unlike some others, i have no "feeling" about this....no gut reaction....just seems very vague and very empty.

I am highly interested to know if mr.stone will say anything (which is why i'm still here lol) so i will keep reading the thread and possibly comment if needed.

I respect everybody's right to an opinion or view and will interchange ideas and debate calmly and in a dignified manner with mr.stone as i have been

Sorry for any offense or misunderstanding.

Ah, and here is one of them beign used in this thread itself way before this discussion on page 24 www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh and they did give you a star, it must have been because of the Im a good person banter. Save it we are all human and make mistakes.

Edit to add: at the very bottom of the page is where I chime in with disgust at how your trying to debunk cliff... That was in june..So apparently In june I felt you the same as I feel you now.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by rjmelter]

reply to post by rjmelter


"AND AGAIN will you ignore this? I CANT FIND THE POSTS"


But you said everyone???
Surely if this is something i say so often...it should not be this difficult?



"I know what youve said in the past"


So now I've said it in the past.....not ALL THE TIME as you claimed.


I would be embarrassed if i were you.

Do you know why i had to shame you and i've been so harsh??

Because you insulted me quite seriously....you called me a LIAR.. and put words in my mouth and could not admit you were wrong.
You are everything i said you were and the proof is right here for me and anyone else to see.