Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Yeah I watched the Camelot video too and have to say that I thought alot of it was made up off the cuff. I also thought that Cliff was particularly trying to impress the female interviewer. I obviously cannot tell what was the truth and was a lie but I went away feeling mislead.

All this religious banter above is so far off topic and makes this forum suddenly very boring indeed.

reply to post by jjpaxton


Yes... Agreed

Myself I am former Baptist now... FreeLance Spiritual seeker

HOWEVER. The bible teaches (or should I say jesus)(the bible kinda warped around Jesus like a bracelet and uses him to pass on its beliefs) that humanity should learn to love each other and that just because we dont understand why someone did something we should not just kill them. Also what Jesus was teaching was very complex even to this day... it was psychology, turn the other cheek, love, forgiveness. Those three concepts are the most important in the prosperity of humanity.

I dont really care what someone beleives as long as they do good and positive work for this dying world we are in. I also will tell you this though mr. JJ, if someone believes in doing something good for humanity and they follow the belief that doing good through their faith is correct then let them do so. Cliff isn't a bible thumper hes not pushing Jesus or God on anyone (I beleive both of them exist-ed but I beleive Jesus was just a man, even in the bible when the guy was sentencing him he asked Jesus if it was true if he was the son of man... Jesus did not anwser. When these people wrote the bible it was their get out of Jail Free card. Jesus was a great man, many religions of the world respect what Jesus stood for, they do not however respect the bias of IM Christian your not. Its very primative and Anti-Jesus, so anyone going around saying they are WITH Jesus, get with the program or go to hell is a lie. Regaurdless of his belief, Cliff is trying to do the right thing to the best of his knowledge and you need to quit trying to bring him down to your Anti-Goodness routine.

Cliff isn't a bible thumper...
cliff isn't trying to get you on his band wagon
cliff isn't trying to get anyone on his band wagon
Cliff is seeking his own spiritual guidance in this world.

So back off the touchy subject of religion.

Hes not God he cant give you the anwsers your looking for, move along. You want to desperately believe in atleast part of this its why you chose to open up this thread instead of pass it along to the side of the curb. Everyone wants to beleive in the goodness of mankind... you yourself discrimating is exactly proof that we need people to be better natured and not succumb to your Ignorance. Im going to do the traditional im a nice person gig here... but i do mean it.

I hope you find what you are looking for in life, but judging others and seeing the wrong in them will never get you anywhere in life, it is destructive and abusive, there is nothing positive in nature about that, and it will never bring you the things you desire. Yes you may be happy things may be great in your life, im not saying im right and that your not happy. But IF your not, dont bring others down with you... Other people are going through tough times and they are just like you and me... let them do what makes them happy because sadness and despair is overated.

(For The Record once more, im not a Jesus debunker... I beleive he existed and I believe that what he was preaching is the truth, but when people put it in a bible mixed with fear mongering and do this do that bable so they can control the population (which is much needed sometimes) its just not the right thing to do)

Edit to add:

JJ have you ever heard of Aristotles UnMoving Mover? Its a very interesting ... idea that holds up... and this guy didn't even have the technology we have today. Im not sure your beliefs but Your body deffinately has a soul, and their deffinately is something else out there... A Creator of sorts...a form of energy not physical manifestation. We are all seeking the truth dont thinkg your the only one.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by rjmelter]

reply to post by rjmelter


I'm not trying to impose something... I'm just talking about the evidence
Now spirituality doesn't has to do with religion
I live in Mexico, anD inequality is very present and people very religious, and I TOTALLY AGREE that religion is very good for people, because I see that everyday
Now YOU ARE TALKING TO ME AS IF I DIDN'T CARE, AS IF I WAS SOME "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" type of person, AND THAT'S SO NOT THE CASE... I care so much for THIS PLANET, I really hope that one day the Earth will be a truly united, I'M NOT A MR., I'm 17

In this country you can see a shiny Mercedes, the guy inside with the air conditioner and his iphone, outside in the street children with torn clothes begging for money!!! And i know that we can change everything so easily but people have to understand, we have TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE WHAT WE ARE, DUE TO the circumstances in which we were born and that no one is superior to anyone, it really doesn't matter if you have a Ph.d. or if you make the cleaning, we are all very valuable human beings...
If you'll talk to me about spirituality "The Alchemist" by Paolo Cohelo is a great book that I truly recommend...
I used to prey, and I can tell you that my life had a sense of deeper connections and "it happens for a reason" and I always looked for "signs", now I haven't done that lately... =(
I don't believe now that there was a God creator,
And as my ethics teacher told me, which is very true, the philosophy of Christ, whoever that character was, goes beyond doing right, and that's true in a sense, I'm sure that religion did so much good and changed people's views and it made us more humane
but intelligent design for me is not as marveling as evolution, for me the first is a myth that really falls short for explaining life

BUT I don't believe that Christ is the only way there is... Direct experience with INEQUALITY AND SOCIAL STRATIFICATION makes YOU SEE things from a different perspective without EVER opening the Bible, seeing the suffering, knowing the people and understanding them and their shoes MAKES YOU want to change things
And if I will do something, it will be that!
The truth is the religion often doesn't allows you to look beyond, because you attribute everything to the will of God

NOW THE ONLY THING I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS SHOW YOU HOW RATIONAL THINKING COULD PROVE ET LIFE, NOT ONLY BELIEVES WITHOUT TRUE FUNDAMENTS, NOT KNOWING IS IGNORANCE

Sorry if I offended someone or made someone angry, but I'm just trying to SEE THE TRUTH IN THIS ISSUE, besides the bible for some

I AGREE THIS IS GOING OFF-TOPIC, so here's an interesting link
DR. Steven Greer, practical applications unbounded mind:

video.google.com...


[edit on 2-9-2008 by jjpaxton]

I have followed this thread from start to finish and now it has taken on a dissapointing course to nowhere it seems.

It realy is a shame as it started with such a bang, now because of the lack of input this has turned into just glimer of what it was.

I realise Clifford has been very sick and working long hours this is just one thing that has not helped, but also how the subject has swayed into the path of religion and other subjects.

I hope in the near future an injection of fresh info will come to light in this thread and the last thing I do not want to see is this just ending up lost in the dusty archives of ATS and retired forever with no real out come.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by Bob Down Under]

reply to post by Bob Down Under


Well Bob, on the mission statement from SETI it says that they are doing the most profound research ever for humanity as it deals with questions of human origins and life etc.. I would hope people can join the dots and see that religion is entirely relevant to this issue as religion deals with the same universal questions. Furthermore, people like Clifford Stone make claims about particular aliens also acknowledging the same God he does.

Read between the lines. Clifford Stone is an apparent believer in Jesus Christ - so which one is more crazy: that he believes in Jesus or aliens? If either Jesus or aliens (or both) were true, what would that mean?

Even to the secular humanist, the existence of aliens and the like challenges our belief system of who we are and what we're supposed to be. Finding out the truth to who we are and what life is all about may not be everyone's goal but it is for me. We have the choice to sit back and believe whatever we choose to believe. Maybe finding out what color Korona is maybe more interesting to some i don't know but I hope you know what I'm trying to get at.

trillian

Originally posted by trillian
reply to post by Bob Down Under

 

Well Bob, on the mission statement from SETI it says that they are doing the most profound research ever for humanity as it deals with questions of human origins and life etc.. I would hope people can join the dots and see that religion is entirely relevant to this issue as religion deals with the same universal questions. Furthermore, people like Clifford Stone make claims about particular aliens also acknowledging the same God he does.

Read between the lines. Clifford Stone is an apparent believer in Jesus Christ - so which one is more crazy: that he believes in Jesus or aliens? If either Jesus or aliens (or both) were true, what would that mean?

Even to the secular humanist, the existence of aliens and the like challenges our belief system of who we are and what we're supposed to be. Finding out the truth to who we are and what life is all about may not be everyone's goal but it is for me. We have the choice to sit back and believe whatever we choose to believe. Maybe finding out what color Korona is maybe more interesting to some i don't know but I hope you know what I'm trying to get at.

trillian

Hi Trillian

I did not mean to knock religious comments As I said I am just disapointed with the lack of original input that it started with ie; this is starting to stagnate.

It is no ones fault and I think I expected to much.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by Bob Down Under]

Hello Clifford / Joe , Thanks for being here and answering questions for us , I also want say Clifford is in my our thoughts and prayers . I was wondering when Clifford was talking about them interfacing with us ( lets say the Grays maybe ) that they have the power to project things in our minds . Now does this mean if they want to be open with us during interfacing ( is that the same thing as contact ? ) and do they have the ability to project their faces into our mind three at a time as if they where standing there looking directly at us ? then we go directly to sleep and remember nothing or is it a sign no interface took place or they choose we don't remember it ? For now or will we ever it interface has taken place ? I'm sorry if I'm rambling just trying to get to the bottom of something personal here with me that happens on a regular basics .
Thanks again John

reply to post by plumranch


Hi plumranch,

Been very busy at work. Working on ways of defending ourselves from the enemy. War is not God's way or our visitors; they try to understand how the same race such as our can always have conflicts. They don’t believe in war.
It's late and I have to go to bed, I talked to Cliff this week, he's still in pain, but will be in CA this Sept at the Bay Area Expo. He never said that ET created Jesus, I saw some fake documents that mention that, and I proved that they were wrong. There's a lot a truths out there mixed with lies, pray and look into your heart before jumping to conclusions.

God Bless,

Thanks Cliff and Joe.

This thread should be closed due to lack of input,

reply to post by Bob Down Under



It was moved to skunkworks, what more do you want...
I can't believe people still come and ask questions

Why not read the thread, realize it is fabricated nonsense and move on?
It should be put out of it's misery though, seriously.

reply to post by blupblup


blupblup,

Where was it moved? I'm still in contact with Clifford. I'm in the process of getting some of his FOIA doc's and his book on CD's. I know Clifford has been very busy and getting ready to go out to CA for the Bay Area Expo. I will have some CD and etc. for him to sell. Like I said before so many people took advantage of him in the past. He is like a brother to me. We spuntk will get his story out. It's kind of hard because most of the members are aerospace engineers and we have real jobs. I sent the raw DVD footage to a member I meet here on ATS. Trying to get this all done is a challenge. I don't want to see Clifford's knowledge and information go to waste. I know him for over 10 years so I know what he is going through. Please be patient.

God bless,
Joe Z.

Originally posted by Joe Z
I don't want to see Clifford's knowledge and information go to waste. I know him for over 10 years so I know what he is going through. Please be patient.

Hello Joe Z, know that I absolute admire all your work here on ATS for getting Mr. Stones in my opinion very important knowledge and information out so that it’s not going to be wasted.
I am shore that there are certain people who are desperately hoping that it will be wasted, but I am also shore that there are many people who desperately hoping that that not will happen and are definitely interested in Mr. Stones experiences during his involvement in the military and because of that his knowledge and information.
So thanks for that and know that I am very patient.

Best wishes to you and of course Mr. Stone.

spacevisitor

reply to post by Joe Z



That's fantastic joe, you will be selling stuff??
So after 45 pages and 891/2 replies....your're going to be selling stuff?

Well i never really took this thread seriously(as im sure you're aware) and you've just shown me why people should trust their instinct.
And i am very patient....i'm interested in and have researched ufos and alike for long enough....i have the patience of a saint, just no patience when it comes to hoaxes and people trying to make a buck off truthseekers.

But thanks for the concern joe.

Originally posted by blupblup
Well i never really took this thread seriously (as im sure you're aware)

Hi blupblup , can you explain the following to me?
How can it be that if you really didn’t take this thread seriously, (as I sorely where aware of) you posted more then 32 replies so far?

Originally posted by blupblup
you've just shown me why people should trust their instinct

You are absolute right about that, and you know what, my instinct says to me; space, be on your guard for blupblup because it could be that he is nothing more then a debunker.

Originally posted by blupblup
i'm interested in and have researched ufos and alike for long enough....

May I ask what your opinion is about that phenomenon after all you’re research?

Originally posted by blupblup
i have the patience of a saint, just no patience when it comes to hoaxes and people trying to make a buck off truthseekers.

Come on blupblup, are you saying that when money is involved it’s therefore a hoax.
Can you explain to me what is wrong with asking some money for all the work that must be done first to produce such DvDs?
Don’t you have to pay for your music, movie or whatever DvDs then?
Do you work for free?
I doubt it.

reply to post by spacevisitor




Originally posted by blupblup
Well i never really took this thread seriously (as im sure you're aware)


"Hi blupblup , can you explain the following to me?
How can it be that if you really didn’t take this thread seriously, (as I sorely where aware of) you posted more then 32 replies so far?"


Sure, I have the right like anyone else to post on these boards and actually felt the need about 15-20 pages ago to speak up on behalf of reason.




Originally posted by blupblup
you've just shown me why people should trust their instinct


"You are absolute right about that, and you know what, my instinct says to me; space, be on your guard for blupblup because it could be that he is nothing more then a debunker."


I am honoured that you would think that, thank you
But in reality i am just not gullible.... not a debunker, not even a skeptic...just skeptical.
I need tangible evidence or proof so i can verify what's being said.
Unfortunatley as i said...none has sufficed.
Maybe re-read some of my posts as this question has been answered.




Originally posted by blupblup
i'm interested in and have researched ufos and alike for long enough....


"May I ask what your opinion is about that phenomenon after all you’re research?"


That it is a highly ambiguous subject and the ratio of hoaxes/fakers to non-hoaxes fakers in like 80%-20%....perhaps more.
Since i was a kid (long time now lol) i've been fascinated by this stuff and traveled to many places of interest to see things for myself.
I also used to work for a paranormal magazine (as i posted in my first ever post only to be threatened and scared into deleting it...don't think many saw it.) and have seen many random things in my time.
But i am a believer....100%....just not every bit of rubbish that graces this site and others.




Originally posted by blupblup
i have the patience of a saint, just no patience when it comes to hoaxes and people trying to make a buck off truthseekers.


"Come on blupblup, are you saying that when money is involved it’s therefore a hoax.
Can you explain to me what is wrong with asking some money for all the work that must be done first to produce such DvDs?
Don’t you have to pay for your music, movie or whatever DvDs then?
Do you work for free?
I doubt it."



No...obviously not, but read what you want into it....people always do.
I buy most DVD's second hand at bootsales or just sales in shops, don't pay for music and certainly do not work for free....unless you count charity work or the work i do in my community?
I'm glad you made assumptions about me...it's great.
I am not the one selling stuff here...nor did i come on and start a thread and then give relatively little back to those who ask me questions.


Also, since you seem to be so interested in me....why not go back and read my threads in the context they were written?
Starts on about page 23 or something, not sure....sure a bright spark like you can find em though.


Thanks, blup

reply to post by blupblup


Hi blupblup,

I don't understand is there something wrong in Clifford selling stuff. I known Clifford for over ten years, and a lot of FOIA docs and reports he gives out free when people come over to his house in Roswell. Radio programs, reporters, etc all want something from him, but they don't give him anything. He is very poor and all the folks out there who sells or markets information are always trying to do it for the money. Money doesn't motivate Clifford. I'm here to help him at lease make ends meet. Too many people out there take advantage of him, not you folks on ATS, but others. All the money that Clifford will make will go to him to help him spread the message of disclosure and what he knows about our visitors. I which Clifford had a full time job researching what he loves and sharing with others. But in Roswell all people want to do is make money off of him. So I hope I didn't say something wrong. Our visitors want the information out but with proper responsiablity. So what motivate me is helping Clifford and getting the information out. The book that is on the CD, he didn't get anything. So many peoplke promise him something and they don't come through. I pray that God will motivate him to keep on sharing and for me to support him in anyway that is proper and honest.

God bless,
Joe Z

reply to post by Joe Z


Folks,

I feel bad that Clifford doesn't have the time or health to return to the post. I had ton of information, docs, CD's, DVD's, pictures, etc, but don't know how do I get this stuff out with competeing with ATS. How do you put a price on knowledge, I'm not in it for the money and never will. I'm motivated by a higher purpose and mission. I hope this keep the energy going and I will try to get the information that Clifford shared with me for the last 10 years.

God bless,
Joe Z

reply to post by Joe Z


I have followed this thread from the beginning.. it seems to me to be in the same catagory as the baffoons that tried to pass off there stuffed monkey suit ..as a real bigfoot.. I dont understand why this thread is still going?? as far as im concerned clifford is just another hoaxer,, and why ats cant see it .. is beyond me.. ???

reply to post by Joe Z


Call me the pessimist (pessimists call themselves realists)

When a storm arises it is brought out by beauty and power and then the rain comes.

This is the part where clifford came in brining for his knowledge and provoking our curiousities to come into the now and search for anwsers...

Then the storm rains hard and fast or slow and long or however nature chooses to show its face unto the world.

This is the part where all of the ATS'rs Were either seeking knowledge, congradulating Cliff, debunking Cliff, or just trying to be a part of the ...chaos

After the rain the night or sun comes upon the remnants of the storm, the rain on the grass, soaking into the earth to replenish life itself. Washing away the filth and cleaning the surface of the earth and empowering the part of the earth as close to the core as it can get.

THIS is the part THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED

The thread has died no doubt with only about 7 of us trying to keep this going.

Cliff Created his storm and let it continue we felt the rain we felt the wind, but after the storm left... something isn't right. There is no wetness on the ground and there arent any signs of the storm.

Joe Z Contrary to your beleif. We here on ATS are not as weak minded as previously thought. You can only make excuses for cliff for so long. Cliff can find time. I am currently doing volunteer work for a state park, going to school and working, lol and i have TIME to peruze the topics here on ATS.

We KNOW the storm came upon us and drenched the earth...

So whats next is the anwsers.

Did Cliff use the U.S. Governments HAARP program to produce chaos on earth?? Did he create a storm of nothingness? or what is going on?

ABOUT YOUR PRODUCTS

Apparently you are in it for the money. YouTube is happy to display horrible crap, fake ufo videos, even a short videoclip I created ( which was useless to millions of people but useful to those interested in seeing) SO THAT SAID. You can post what is needed on YOUTUBE. Photobucket is happy to post your photos. 3IX is a great website hosting business that lets you create a great website for cheaply and there are plenty of ways.

PDF Format you paperwork and post it somewhere... its easy... very easy.

You write out your goals and we will assist you. You dont write them out we wont beleive you but its not our right to need you to write out the goals needed to expose this information. The truth is the truth bud. There are only so many ways to show off, pictures files and videos. The Web is a safe haven for Exposing the truth and its fairly cheap to do so. IF NOT there are plenty of people such as myself willing to help out doing whatever is neccessary....you know...honest people. But at this moment im not so sure this whole thing EVER had honest INTENT. If it does im here to help. I really dont see the problem.

Edit to add:

BLUP BLUP

Check out PAGE 20, Post 3 by Springer and you will read exactly why this is in skunkworks...

[edit on 9-9-2008 by rjmelter]

I was debunking this thread early on but have since stopped out of pity. I have seen Cliff for years making his claims without any evidence. It was only a matter of time till he stepped up to the plate by coming on an open forum. I'm sorry he's old and sick but enough is enough, he should be declared a hoax and this thread closed.