USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11

reply to post by sos37


Only in America can you be tried as a war criminal for defending your homeland against an invader(that's you guy's by the way). Where the hell did the term illegal combatant come from anyway?
What the hell is an illegal combatant? Anyone who doesn't belong in the enemy combatant category? That means everyone who is fighting to remove u.s. occupational forces (you can kid yourself all you like, but that's what they are) from their land. It's idiotic, and anyone who goes along with this type of thinking is an idiot as well and deserves to lose the hard won freedoms your grandfathers fought for. Against the very people that your sitting president's grandfather aided and abetted I might add. Wake the f up, for own sake.......

Great but we already have mountains of evidence and countless whitenesses from high ranking positions. It seems to me like no one will ever be held accountable and it makes me sick to think that getting a BJ is far far worse than murdering 1000s of Americans in a staged attack in order justify the invasion of another sovereign nation.

The government in America is just way out of control, they have zero accountability to the people, the polls show that, they do what they want and they're by all accounts invincible. Even if there was a new investigation, so what? Does anyone think Bush and Co. would spend 5 minutes in a cell over it? That he'd so much as have his symbolic title as President taken from him after his term is up? That he would lose access to the presidential summer house?

I doubt he'll even take the stand.

trea·son /ˈtrizən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tree-zuhn]
–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

2 and 3 are very clear in the case of the president. You could argue 1 also applies in that he's trying to overthrow his own government in order to replace it with himself and his own chosen few.

Traditionally treason is punished by being hanged, publicly. Personally I think it fits the crime, it should take place on ground zero along with his original entourage of criminals from term 1. And all the members of the newly elected administration should be there to witness because as of now the only message thats being sent from the white house is that they can do any damn thing they want and no ones going to stop them or even say anything, they're above the law.

Something is certainly amiss with 9/11. I rarely post in any 9/11 thread, save the one that was for John's holograph theory. I actually support that theory, and believe it to be a completely viable alternative to anything else. "Paint the Night" sold me (Mike Muuss can write more than just "Ping"), if other information didn't already do it.

I can not be certain that Bush is behind it. I think that calling him a murderer is a little early. First step is to prove a conspiracy, and then describe what that conspiracy is. You have to know what happened, and in what order before you can start looking for the perpetrator/s.

However, his motives likely have nothing to do with dynastic intentions. That is already obviously apparent. Bush/Rockefeller Connection all the way. They have already used their positions to reap MILLIONS. Both are hip deep in oil money. Not personally (well...not entirely), but by proxy. Laura flies in every few months to Midland, which is 35 miles away. This city has seen MUCH lovein this administration.

So...what motive did the president have? Did he affect oil? Well...you have a reason for war with the middle east. Is there anything else thta was gained? I mean, that is a HUGE act...would they not have likely had multiple objectives from such an action?

I know you have answers for some of this...and i really would like to see the officers and individuals who signed the petition in the OP find the truth. Until then, i think we need to find the conspiracy before finding a perpetrator.

haha, those USA f**ks are preparing new coverup

The fact that military "Officers" want another investigation means nothing. Maybe 1 in 200 Officers have enough brain power to understand Jenga. When the grunts start to call BS is when I will listen. These former whatevers just want to sell a book or get on the speach rotation at lib colleges for 40K a hour.

Since when is Rupert Murdoch considered a Liberal?????????? Wow are you a sorely misguided individual. I would think a person who gets all their news from Fox would at least know who owns the damn station!!!!!!!!!

Have you been paying attention to who Rupert Murdoch has been giving money too in regards to the Presidential Election? I think not.....

Originally posted by morthn1waytoskinacat
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

 

It was a u.s. designed and led conspiracy. The whole world knows or suspects it. Try looking outside of your government controlled media once in awhile...

So its news to me that a large chunk of the world has their head up their alimentary canal? Only a complete idiot would look at our media and think its government controlled.

Originally posted by 1-Cent
Great but we already have mountains of evidence and countless whitenesses from high ranking positions. It seems to me like no one will ever be held accountable ...

You have to ask yourself why that is. Why, with all the mountains of evidence and all of the witnessess from high ranking officials will no one ever be brought to trial or held accountable.

Can anyone who believes the 9/11/government conspiracy theory answer that question?

Here's something else for all you conspiracy theorists to ponder.

Scott McClellan's new book. It seems to be aimed at leaving the darkest smear possible on the Bush administration. He mentions nothing about any of this, from a government perspective. So those of you who think the Bush administration planned 9/11, you would think McClellan would have at least made a reference to it.

Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by zorgon
But it is not surprising that its not getting on main stream media.. However those statements are part of the "Pilots for Truth" campaign and you will see many of those names also registered there..

You mean the LIBERAL media? The very same LIBERAL media that panders on a daily basis to the liberals in this country? The LIBERALS who would love nothing more than to see Bush crucified upside down and burned on a stake?

Since when is Rupert Murdoch considered a Liberal?????????? Wow are you a sorely misguided individual. I would think a person who gets all their news from Fox would at least know who owns the damn station!!!!!!!!!

Uh, now there YOU go making assumptions. Since when did I ever single out Fox News? I didn't. That's something YOU did. If you've never heard of the term 'liberal media' then you have no business responding. There's no way you can tell anyone, ANYONE that the vast majority of the media in this country isn't liberal (with the exception of talk radio). Nice try putting words in my mouth, but no points for you.

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Wow! 1,330 people (you list one group in the 'artist' category?) signed an internet petition!

How do you plan on reaching the other 299,998,670 people in the US? The roughly 6,889,789,213 - in the world - who have not signed the petition?

Boy, after almost seven years the Truth Club is sure making progress! Why, just yesterday I saw how the Truth Club is bringing this "smoking gun" evidence to a court of law to be dealt with....oh no? Well, I am positive that just the other day I read where the Truth Club has decided (after only six years of uncovering various "smoking guns") to stop making amateur flash animations and start getting serious about getting "new" investigations done...oh...no? Well, I am sure after almost seven years the truth club - gaining serious momentum all the time - is ready to take their case away from Coast to Coast, Alex Jones's handful of listeners, Clout's radio staff (because nobody else is listening, that's for sure), and various internet forums and go mainstream?

Of course, none of the that is true – oh sure, there are claims from truthers to truthers about how the club is “growing every day”.

There are over 300 million people in the US alone. Three hundred million. So, we have a list of 1,330 names in a country that contains 300 million residents.

You’ve reached .00004 of one (1) percent of the United States population.

Someone asked why the resident skeptics aren’t more involved in this post. Here is the honest answer: these questions have been answered for more than half a decade. There are only so many times you can talk to someone who spouts “facts” in rainman-style before you just scratch your head and move on. This is an honest assessment: we’re just getting tired of talking about the same non-issues, non-flight paths, non-holographic plane representations, non-doppler sound machines,non-thermite theries and soul projectors on the moon. I mean this with absolute honesty and without a hint of sarcasm: the leaders of the so-called truth club (IMO at this point, six years and counting) are either mental or just plain snake oil salesmen. At some point, you walk away. For most, that point came and went. True to form, tuthers completely misread the lack of posts from skeptics as ‘winning’ instead of utter disinterest. Perhaps even more to the point: if die-hard skeptics don’t feel like engaging you, that’s not evidence of winning the argument. That’s evidence that the so called truth club is slipping beyond the awareness of even those who enjoy engaging the absurd claims of the “movement”.

The simple truth about the so-called truth club: ask questions, ignore the answers. Why? Because as one poster in this very thread stated: truthers don’t need facts. Truthers are invested in the conclusion, not the body of evidence and where it leads.

The so-called truth club is a classic scam/hoax. Make grand claims, tell everyone full disclosure is coming, make the rounds on the gravy train of talk shows, web sites, selling coffee cups, etc and then…………..make even grander claims and start the whole cycle over again. What’s truly sad (and a great measure of how insignificant the club is) : the truth club has run the gamut everything they can possibly claim and is now forced to talk about the new(!!!!) evidence they have “uncovered” which, when examined, is noting more than rehashes of the same of lines, to the same people with the same claims to the flock of faithful.

In the interest of some of the pro-truth club moderators who like to censor posts: this post is my opinion. I am calling the "movement's" motivations and tactics into question, no one person here or elsewhere.

[edit on 3-6-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

I've tried to believe these conspiracy theories of 9/11 over the years and one thing stands in the way of making any of them credible and that is; How do you hide the pre-installation of explosive devices in enough quantity to bring down buildings that big. It would have been a massive job and someone who was involved in it would have talked by now, I don't care how dedicated to the 'cause' they were.

As far as the conspiracy theories go their is one to answer, and it is the blatant cover-up by the US authorities of their own incompetence on that day that caused these terrorists to be able to do what they did.

Or perhaps it was 'allowed' to happen? Who knows.

One thing is for sure Dick Cheney, and heads of the FAA and NORAD at that time should be held accountable for 'Gross Incompetence ' in a court of law, which would hopefully cause said 'incompetents' into self preservation tactics and open up a whole new can of worms.

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"" Can anyone who believes the 9/11/government conspiracy theory answer that question? ""


Maybe it's the same answer as to why congress refuses to impeach when they have more than enough signatures to do it!

Maybe it's the same reason why worsmiths tell everyone what a great emancipator lincoln was, when in fact lincolns OWN WORDS having him admit that the proclamation was a military strategy. read the details here;

[[ The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War by Thomas Dilorenzo ]]

Maybe it's the same reason the had the 911 commission OMIT pertinent data from the final report, AND sealed testimony for 50years!

Maybe it's the same reason that people refuse to believe the gov't ever experimented on its' own citizens, but the data shows otherwise.

Maybe it's the same reason that people still think we are spreading democracy, when in fact they've never read the fine print about any of our controversial actions that "help" foreign countries. Read gory details here;

[[ Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq by Stephen Kinzer ]]

A Congressional Medal of Honor General in the US Marines here;

lexrex.com...

What am I trying to say? I'm trying to say, that if your decoder ring is broke, or coated with wordsmith B.S., then you'll NOT figure out, not only what is going on now, but has been going on all along, right under everyones noses, but only the few can see, the reality, the rest play along and follow the bouncing ball not knowing they are being played like a fiddle!!!

Everyone has a key, that will unlock what their mind can't possibly see right now. Maybe you just haven't come face to face with your key yet, or maybe you just refused to turn the key!

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


Thank you, SlightlyAbovePar. Exactly what I was trying to say, put far more eloquently.

If a stranger dropped a 'truth' right in our hands, would we have the ability to recognize it as one?

People get so concerned about source of material, well...it's up to us/you to decide if the information is plausible (sp). The media's job is to present information, it is our responsibility to put it through our own filter(s), not to take it blindly and store it.

Just because information is coming from strange geographical locations doesn't mean it has no value.

-Cuauhtemoc

Originally posted by sos37

What makes me emotional are people (and I use that word LIGHTLY) slinging crap all over the place about 9/11, using one of the U.S.'s worst terrorist disasters to fuel their hate of the Bush administration. Using the fall of the twin towers to fuel their own agenda! I think it's sinful, I think it's disrespectful to all of those who lost loved ones on that tragic day for people who have NO EVIDENCE to be pushing this issue over and over again publicly.

Well what makes me emotional is people like yourself making assumptions on character and who I do or do not show "blind hate" towards... when I simply present the material that is out there..

What I see as blind is those that scream "There is no evidence" but completely ignore the evidence that is right before their eyes, and have no problem accepting what they are fed despite the fact that the 'official story' defies laws of thermodynamics, physics and logic...

I have no intention of dragging in all the stuff covered in numerous threads on this issue...

But I will present three...

#1 INTENT

OPERATION NORTHWOODS

In 1962 the Pentagon and the CIA were desperate for a war with Cuba. How desperate? Desperate enough to plan attacks against American bases, equipment and personnel. Desperate enough to dress up American trained Cubans as Communists to make the attacks on American bases. Desperate enough to manufacture an airplane that looked like a Russian MiG to shoot down an American airliner.

Original CIA FOIA Documnet PDF

SOURCE of Clip

#2 FIRE HOT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL

In the image below the fires are almost out save a few offices... firefighter reports say they could have doused it with a few more lines...

These fires are supposed to have been hot enough and burned long enough to weaken the steel and make three buildings collapse within minutes

Yet in the picture below as the fire dwindles... you can still see the INTACT supports in the background.. and the lady is standing waving for help without being incinerated










#3 JURY CASE SUBMITTED AND HAS PASSED TWO "MOTION TO DISMISS" actions brought by the defendants...

Considering the penalty for filing frivolous law suits especially on such a case... the Judge must have felt there was more than enough evidence to let it proceed

Anyone wishing more info just follow it on google..

FILED UNDER SEAL

QUI TAM COMPLAINT and JURY DEMAND

DOCKET NO. May 31, 2007


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

Plaintiff/Relator,
DR. MORGAN REYNOLDS on behalf of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

vs.

Defendants. :
SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.;
APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
NuSTATS; COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.;
DATASOURCE, INC.; GEOSTAATS, INC.;
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP;
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC.; AJMAL ABBASI;
EDUARDO KAUSEL; DAVID PARKS;
DAVID SHARP; DANIELE VENEZANO;
JOSEF VAN DYCK; KASPAR WILLIAM;
ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC;
ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C.;
SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & :HEGER, INC.;
S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP;
TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC.;
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.;
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC.;

www.thelivingmoon.com...


Now you are welcome to not believe any of the mountains of evidence that exists... you can continue to turn a blind eye to the inconsistencies and the illogical events claimed by the 'official story" but calling people names because they do not agree with you merely shows your argument to be weak... needing to resort to such tactics...

And if Herr Bush et al have any issues with my opinions while exercising my rights of freedom of speech... considering my work at ATS and my website... I am sure the NSA and every other three letter club know where to find me and I will be happy to discuss my views with the nice visitors that talk with a monotone, have no humor, and use black as the preferred aesthetic appeal in apparel... however it seems it did not prevent me from attending a $250.00 a plate dinner held hear in Vegas last time Bush visited

And do not forget what he said when back in Nov 2005, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”

SOURCE

I rest my case...

I have to get back to the Moon and track the secret astronaut program

Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLRWhen the grunts start to call BS is when I will listen.

I grant you that is a good point...

Do the firefighters on the scene giving reports of other explosions, stating the fires were 'not that bad' etc count as 'grunts'?

Do the city workers cleaning up the debris and showing molten steel still red hout 6-8 WEEKS after 911 count as 'grunts'?

I REALLY wish someone could explain to me how steel stays red hot that long... I have a forge fro making swords... steel cools very quickly... minutes not weeks





[edit on 3-6-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
Wow! 1,330 people (you list one group in the 'artist' category?) signed an internet petition!

Petitions are meaningless and rarely ever do any good. Most people never take the time to sign them even those that believe in the cause... and in this case putting your real name and address on a paper like that will deter many who support it

Zorgon, Good Thread.


Steel would stay hot if it came from the suns rays. . The question should be how do you direct the suns rays up a building. That one I want answers too.

I was told it was a large number of secret service agents that did it.

If it was a pre-planned arrangement it could be done, sequentially, but what isn't explained from our laws of physics and technological mechanics.

You have to -take time out of the equation- if it wasn't done by linear mechanics, then something supernatural lit that # up like a tree. Outside our law of gravity which is a different technological means.

That mechanics being something within the realm of unknown to the common society, then you got some E.T. TECHNOLOGY being used.

That means something outside mans Mechanical physics to the KNOWN SOCIETY.

But how many weapons of destruction are not put out on the platform?

Forty years ahead of mainstream science at least, at most two hundred years ahead of us.





[edit on 3-6-2008 by menguard]

reply to post by sos37
Care to Debate the Government theory on 911?

Please INLIGHTEN us?