Putin Calls U.S. 'Frightening Monster,' Urges French Solidarity

I like you guys and gals..., you're arguments are very noteworthy nearly every time.

I am a bit more simplistic than most I suppose when I wax 'anti-US' as some of you seem to characterize it.

Putin's assessment of US foreign policy must of course be viewed and reasoned as from a certain perspective. It's obvious that his stated perspective rubs the patriotic quite the wrong way. I would have to agree with that sentiment if it weren't for the very real fact that the United States is over here, on a different continent, yet our diplomatic, economic, and military projections of influence are quite clearly in their arena. We will, as Americans, always suffer the slings and arrows of criticism as long as we can be characterized as 'thinking we own the world' and using considerable influence in areas to which we are clearly NOT accepted by all the players in the area. Perhaps to many that's OK, but to those locally it seems not so.

Truly, just as a pirate and a freedom fighter are always 'terrorists' to the established ruling class; the 'well-intentioned' super-power is by definition an 'imperialist' to those they engage to suppress or eliminate. Playing argumentative sophistic games just belittles all the participants. Accept reality and go from there.

Putin's characterization of The United States as a 'democracy' domestically is TOTALLY incorrect on may fronts. Primarily because, even if only in theory, we are a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy (thank God)! But his error is also manifested on a much more pertinent level - fascism, which is to say the increasing trend of relinquishing national policy and domestic controls to corporate interests has been prevalent in our country for almost a half-century. To deny this bit of historical reality is also weirdly 'ignorant' because if the only 'fascism' you recognize is that of the 'Your papers, please!' question you'll be very easy to absorb. Your rights (at least as I see them) extend FAR beyond such cinematic non-sense.

Originally posted by US Monitor

Originally posted by DJMessiah


Tell us again why the US goverment was whining about not wanting Russia to have its own missle defense system in Cuba.

Please provide a link to this. I am not aware of the US whining about a Russian missile defense system in Cuba. I am aware of Russia trying to place nuclear missiles in Cuba in the Cuban Missile Crisis, but those were not "defense missiles" by any stretch of anyone's outlandish imagination.

And as for the article itself, I didn't read anywhere in there where the US is forcing any country to join NATO. In fact I haven't ever heard of the US forcing any country to join NATO or threaten any country that wants to leave NATO. Quite the opposite of the old Warsaw Pact. And wasn't it Russia that shot down a Georgia UAV over land that belongs to Georgia? Talk about an aggressive monster using force to coerce countries.

Just ask the poor people of Chechyna that are suffering because of Russian aggression. A country (Russia) that has lead the international way of aggression since the end of WWII. The country that built the Berlin Wall in the first place. Held Eastern Europe hostage, attacked countries like Afghanistan for no reason. Caused the Nuclear Arms Race.

Now Putin, the dictator in training for Russia is just talking to help justify his takeover of Russia, and is just putting his KGB training to use.

[edit on 31-5-2008 by US Monitor]

So Can you clarify to me , was it Georgian UAV ? I dont think so. Was Georgia operating it ? I dont think so . They dont have the facilities neither the technology nor the specialist to operate them. Abkhazia and Russia shot down 6 of this UAV's that were peacefully spying over Abkhazia territory , They even recovered the serial numbers of the UAV's .

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Really?
Post a link. Whose UAV's were they? Lets see from a reputable source proof of whose they were.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
You guys are either disinfo bloggers, or flat out in denial...Anyone and everyone here besides you gov guys KNOWS what is being done to us---The farcical electorals, corporate protectionism and controlled media, Warrantless spying on citizens, croneyisms of the majority of the SCOTUS and other key departments, etc., etc., etc.,

You want to pretend it doesn't exist, knock yourselves out...I see with my own two eyes what is happening to me and those around me.

Thanks.

Ah so because we saw through your 'links' we are now disinfo bloggers or in denial.

Farcical electorals huh? At what level? How so? Provide some reputable links to support your assertion please.

Corporate protection has been ongoing since before this country was the USA. The reality of this is simple. Those with the money spend it when needed to get what they want from Govt. This is true in every form of Govt.

Controlled media? You mean that ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc...not to mention all online news services are all controlled by the Govt.? Really? What proof of this do you have?

Now for the warrantless spying, I agree with you there. The fact is that it is being challenged and I for one would like to see some evidence to support your assertions on this. How many people have been convicted or incarcerated here in the US as a direct result of this spying?

Enlighten us about the SCOTUS. What have they done that is in violation of there charter?

What is happening to you and those around you?

Like I said I live near Chicago and am down there for work every day. I have watched numerous anti-War marches there. Numerous protests against the Govt. Not once were they stopped, and the police presence there was simply to keep traffic flowing.

For the life of me I cannot think of one thing I can't do now that I could do before 9/11.

I think your fear mongering and anti-US BS is a joke and because you don't like the way things are does not mean all is lost. The fact that you are posting on this site here shows that the Govt. is not stopping you from expressing yourself or taking away your rights.

reply to post by US Monitor


Perhaps this link from another area of ATS will help to bring some understanding as to the seeming creep of fascist-like policies being implemented in the US.

www.scoop.co.nz...

There is plenty of evidence around the net to show acts of severe interjectionary acts by the state upon the privacy and liberty of individuals, such as abuse and misuse of tasers by law enforcers seeking compliance through torture, when taser use is only supposed to be applied if the officer believes his/her life threatened.

I'm not out to prove anything to you, that is not my concern. Just because you yourself have not encountered the abuse of privacy and liberty which others have suffered at the hands of the state, does not mean that such abuse doesn't occur...it does.

As the link above amply demonstrates, before you make a so-called democracy a fascist state, you first make its politic fascist behind the scenes by binding the populace while it slumbers through a limited freedom it takes for granted, offering no opposition to the ideological coup. You put all the bindings in place then awaken the slumberer to a shocking coup de grâce of their privacy and liberty.

reply to post by US Monitor


Dude-You asked so many questions that are easily answered with a quick search on this very site, that I am not even going to answer them. Quit being lazy and do some research if you're actually serious here (which I'm starting to wonder about-nobody should be this uninformed at this stage).

Some of these things are so overwhelmingly easy to find out that I think you are DELIBERATELY feigning ignorance of these issues. After all the threads here about pentagon pundits and corpomedia disinfo and propaganda, for you to even ASK a question like that is really sad.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

Dude-You asked so many questions that are easily answered with a quick search on this very site, that I am not even going to answer them.

Using ATS as a source isn't the best in the world. I think he might have been asking for sources outside of here.

Big difference parking ICBMs off cuba with a missile defense shield in Poland.Putin is just complaining cause former warsaw countries now want to or are joining nato.Remember back in this 1983 scare cause of wargames in Europe going on?Russia got scared we were launching a surprise attack on thier soil.This is the samething..he is afraid moving the missile defense shield over in this countries...is the means of some counter measure.

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True-But most of the threads I'm referring to have links to the articles and sites they come from. If that doesn't work, a quick search on google will do the trick for DOZENS of independent sources on literally every subject that we're discussing. But even most folks here that are PRO-gov won't argue that our media / corps / and gov are all cohesive entities scratching each others backs in one form or another...



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indeed, anyone who proposes USSR as the lead for hostility in the world while living in the US is pretty silly. We have had Massively more wars than the USSR, and we are certainly responsible for many many more killings. I dont recall stories of the USSR going through any countries methodically raping and murdering as a standard of practice. i dont recall stories of the KGB teaching any other countries the tactics of Murder and rape and terrorism in order to instil terror in the populations to make them kowtow to dictatorship. These were regular US practices, during Vietnam, el salvador, cambodia, laos, cuba, columbia, etc. I dont recall the USSR nuking anyone. It doesnt matter though, the US is not long for hegemony. Our economy is collapsing even as we speak, and even if you dont know anyone who has had their rights restricted, im sure you know plenty groaning about prices of gas, food,...im sure you know someone who has lost their home, im sure you know someone who has gone bankrupt, or is barely scraping to get by....and the numbers of those will continue to grow. And if you truly dont believe there is anyone held against law or against their will, that means you have been blind to all the reports of people being released from gitmo after 3 or 5 years of torture and imprisonment, and being declared innocent. that doesnt give their years of life back or take back any of the abuses they were subject to. Maybe it will only matter to you when its YOU that is locked up for 5 years for no reason. You sound just like all the other americans that assume that "as long as everything is fine with me and mine, then my country is doing right, no matter what they may be doing to that guy around the block".
As for the news networks you mentioned....get real. There are only 3 groups that own 99% of the news in the US, and its all rightist neocon propaganda.

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I guess it was perfectly OK and an example of humanity and respect for the principles of peace when the USSR overran and controlled Eastern Europe with an iron fist?

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by US Monitor

 

I'd say this about sums it up...We're a dead ringer for at least a dozen of em'...

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www.secularhumanism.org...


peace

I would really love to know one thing.

Exactly how much are you being paid to peddle the kind of hateful idiotic dribble you are notorious for? Just a ballpark figure will suffice.

Actually, while we are at it, I'd really like to know another thing. Exactly who are you working for? Is it the DNC, Al-Qaeda, the Mullahs…who? You certainly do sound like all the extreme far left nutcase mouthpieces that have found a home on the internet.

reply to post by LiquidMirage


Dually noted. And again, you are either yet ANOTHER disinfo spewer, or so stunningly ignorant of the issues facing this nation that you are not even worth further engaging until you do about 200 hours worth of educating yourself. And I don't mean by watching Fox News. Once you've opened your eyes and unplugged your ears to actual reality, and not the fluff pieces and brainwashing of your favorite corporate MSM outlet, THEN come back and try and refute anything I've said.

kthxbye



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Wutone, USSR was given permission to control eastern europe by the allied powers after WWII when the US and USSR divided the world among their spheres of influence. We agreed we wouldnt intervene as they consolidated their power in eastern europe, and they agreed they wouldnt intervene as we did the same in europe and south america. I never said it was ok....it does, however, pale in comparison to the wars and crimes commited by the united states. We killed 2 million vietnamese (who were begging us for help against the french....imagine how they felt when all of a sudden it was US bombs falling on them as they were expecting us to save them), 750000 cambodians, laosians, chinese, we installed dictators in africa, all across south america. We dropped 2 nuclear bombs, and interfered in the elections of our friends and allies. We have assassinated leaders, assassinated our own people, no...i think the US holds the title of "leading state sponsor of terrorists". oh, not to mention the 1.2 million iraqi's and 2 million afghani's that are now dead because of us. We let everyone flee Fallujah except males of fighting age which we defined as 12 and older. all those we made turn back into the city, and then we levelled it. That was last year....whens the last time Russia has committed genocide, cause i just named 2 the US has in the last 2 years

it is true..i have heard the puppet master has been called the beast.

all i know is the guy running the show is an evil mofo

here's someone who has met him/it.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by US Monitor

Do you have a REAL ID yet? Are you planning to get one? If you don't, you could very well live to see your "papers" being checked and your travel severely limited. Right now, you can be tracked via your phone, credit card, computer, etc. But you don't see that as being fascist? It's not Nazi Germany, but it's still fascism.

And as for cops policing your streets, seen gas prices soaring? I'd bet that between those prices and the coming food rationing, there will be riots soon enough. When martial law is declared, will you see it as being fascist then?

Originally posted by US Monitor
Controlled media? You mean that ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc...not to mention all online news services are all controlled by the Govt.? Really? What proof of this do you have?

Here it is, please read page 6 of this CIA document dated December 1991: www.disclosureproject.org... -where it says:

"PAO [Public Affairs Office] now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others. In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources and methods."

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Yep those saintly Soviets sure worked for freedom in forcing the Eastern European countries to be communist governments. The peaceful and understanding Soviets showed their compassion as the sent tanks to quell protests. On top of that, the Soviets sure showed their care for human life as they starved millions of Ukrainians.

I love how you bash one screwed up government by ignoring another.